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#1 Edited by Mortein (5772 posts) - - Show Bio

Since there are lots of DBZ threads, and since opinions about DBZ characters strength, speed and fire power are very different one from another, I've decided to wrote my opinion about that. Most of you consider DBZ fighters much weaker than I do, some of you consider them stronger than I do, and if you have nothing smarter to do (witch is unlikely considering how doing nothing is smarter than doing this) Id like you to wrote your opinion about their strength, speed and fire power, on every DB and DBZ that I have.

comment

1.some scans

2.name

3.Lifting strength

4.flying/running speed

5. fire power
 

http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-1-page-11.html

Goku beginning of DB

>1 T

15 m/s

The 21st Tenkaichi Budokai 

http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-39-page-11.html

http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-32-page-5.html

http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-55-page-9.html

Goku after Roshis training

4 T

80 m/s

Krillin

3 T

60 m/s
 

http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-73-page-6.html

http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-51-page-12.html

http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-50-page-7.html

http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-49-page-7.html

http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-42-page-4.html

http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-119-page-8.html

http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-37-page-13.html

http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-119-page-8.html

Master Roshi

7 T

130 m/s   or 0.34 speed of sound

moon busting

http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-82-page-7.html

General Blue

1 T

40 m/s

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v13/c005/2.html

http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-84-page-5.html

Indian

3 T

30 m/s
 

http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-84-page-5.html

http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-85-page-12.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v08/c002/6.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v08/c002/13.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v08/c006/3.html

Tao Pai Pai

7 T

100 m/s or 0.29 speed of sound
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v08/c010/4.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v08/c008/10.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v08/c011/3.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v08/c012/11.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v08/c012/13.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v10/c002/15.html

Goku after Tower

8 T

130 m/s 0.34
 

The 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v10/c006/7.html

Krillin

7 T

90 m/s or 0.26 speed of sound
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v10/c010/9.html

Tien

11 T

140 m/s or 0.41 speed of sound
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v11/c007/8.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v10/c007/4.html

Goku

11 T

140 m/s or 0.41
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v12/c004/5.html

Tambourine

120 m/s

10 T or 0.35 speed of sound
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v12/c012/7.html

King Piccolo old

150 m/s or 0.44 speed of sound

14 T

moon busting
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v13/c009/2.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v14/c003/

King Piccolo

190 m/s or 0.55 speed of sound

18 T

moon busting
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v14/c005/4.html

Goku after water

200 m/s or 0.59 speed of sound

18 T

moon busting
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v13/c010/3.html

Drum

150 m/s 0.44 speed of sound

13 T
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v14/c007/8.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v14/c008/4.html

Mr. Popo

240 m/s or 0.7 speed of sound

21 T
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v14/c008/11.html

Kami Sama

300 m/s or 0.88 speed of sound

24 T

moon busting
 

The 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v15/c008/9.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v15/c009/2.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v16/c004/4.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v16/c005/12.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v16/c007/5.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v16/c008/4.html

Goku

325 m/s or 0.95 speed of sound

26 T

moon busting
 

Cyborg Tao Pai Pai

140 m/s or 0.4 speed of sound

12 T
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v15/c008/9.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v15/c009/2.html

Tien

220 m/s or 0.64 speed of sound

16 T

moon busting
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v15/c004/3.html

Krillin

180 m/s 0.53 speed of sound

14 T
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v16/c004/13.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v16/c003/9.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v16/c004/12.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v16/c006/11.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v16/c007/9.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v16/c008/9.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v16/c008/4.html

Piccolo

320 m/s or 0.94 speed of sound

26 T

moon busting
 

DBZ

fat farmer

5 m/s

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v17/c199/13.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v17/c202/10.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v17/c202/5.html

Raditz

1200 m/s 3.5 speed of sound

35 T  

moon busting 
 

Goku

415 m/s or 1.22 speed of sound

28 T   

moon busting
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v17/c205/14.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v18/c004/10.html

Piccolo

410 m/s or 1.2 speed of sound

28 T 4

moon busting
 

Krillin

200 m/s or 0.59 speed of sound

17 T

moon busting
 

Tien

250 m/s or 0.73 speed of sound

20 T 2.5

moon busting
 

 

VEGETA ARRIVES

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v18/c009/5.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v18/c009/6.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v18/c009/10.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v19/c001/4.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v19/c002/13.html

Nappa

3500 m/s or 10.3 speed of sound

60 T

moon busting
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v19/c012/7.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v20/c231/2.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v20/c233/4.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v20/c233/6.html

Vegeta

18 000 m/s or 52.94 speed of sound

170 T

Earth busting
 

Goku before Power up

5500 m/s or 16.17 speed of sound

50 T

moon busting
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v19/c009/5.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v19/c009/11.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v19/c010/12.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v20/c233/13.html

Goku after Power up

8000 m/s or 23.52 speed of sound

80 T

moon busting
 

Goku KK x3

20 000 m/s or 58.82 speed of sound

200 T

Earth busting
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v18/c012/5.html

Krillin

1700 m/s or 5 speed of sound

35 T

moon busting
 

Tien

1800 m/s or 5.29 speed of sound

40 T

moon busting
 

Piccolo

3000 m/s or 8.82 speed of sound

50 T

moon busting
 

Namek

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v21/c007/15.html

Kiwi

20 000 m/s or 58.82x speed of sound

200 T                     

earth busting 
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v21/c008/9.html

Friezas soldiers

1000 m/s or 2.94x speed of sound

12 T

moon busting
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v21/c009/7.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v22/c005/9.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v22/c005/14.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v22/c010/12.html

Vegeta

24 000 m/s or 70.5x speed of sound

240 T

Earth busting
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v21/c012/11.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v22/c010/8.html

Zarbon

23000 m/s or 67.64x speed of sound

230 T

Earth busting
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v22/c011/12.html

Zarbon monster

30 000 m/s 88.23 x speed of sound

330 T

Earth busting
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v22/c001/8.html

Namek wariors

3000 m/s or 8.82 x speed of sound

50 T
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v22/c004/9.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v22/c005/6.html

Dodoria

20 000 m/s or 58.82 x speed of sound

220 T

Earth busting
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v23/c001/8.html

Krillen after power up

12 000 m/s or 35.29 x speed of sound

120 T
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v23/c001/13.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v23/c004/10.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v23/c011/9.html

Vegeta after healing

34 000 m/s or 100x speed of sound

340 T

Earth busting
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v23/c006/10.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v24/c003/10.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v24/c004/11.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v24/c005/6.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v24/c006/4.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrlR9qeG0NQ

Goku KK x1

200 000 m/s or 588 x speed of sound

1600 T

Earth busting x10
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v23/c009/4.html

Burter

60 000 m/s or 176 x speed of sound

350 T

Earth busting x2
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v23/c012/6.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v24/c001/4.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v24/c001/6.html

Ricome

35 000 m/s or 103 x speed of sound

500 T

Earth busting x2
 

Jeice

45 000 m/s or 132 x speed of sound

450 T

Earth busting x2
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v24/c008/

Captain Ginyu

110 000 m/s 324 x speed of sound

1300 T

Earth busting x7
 

Neil

45 000 m/s 132 x speed of sound

400 T

Earth busting x2
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v25/c001/9.html

Vegeta 2. healing

60 000m/s 176 x speed of sound

600 T

Earth busting x3
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v22/c005/12.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v24/c007/6.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v24/c010/7.html

Frieza basic

530 000 m/s 1559 x speed of sound

5000 T

Earth busting x 29
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v25/c008/7.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v25/c010/3.html

Frieza stage 1

900 000 m/s 2647 x speed of sound

10 000 T

Earth busting x55
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v25/c012/13.html

Piccolo After fuse

900 000 m/s 2647 x speed of sound

7000 T

Earth busting x45
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v26/c002/13.html

Frieza stage 2

2 400 000 m/s 7059 x speed of sound

26 000 T

Earth busting x133 
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v26/c004/8.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v26/c005/5.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v26/c006/8.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v26/c007/7.html -Important

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDQoQGavnCk

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v26/c008/3.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v26/c010/9.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v26/c010/11.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v26/c013/5.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v27/c002/8.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v27/c004/13.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v27/c010/10.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v27/c011/9.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c328/9.html

Frieza final form ( full power)

12 500 000 m/s 36 764 x speed of sound, 0.041 x speed of light

120 000 T

Earth busting x694
 

Vegeta after 3. healing

300 000 m/s 882 x speed of sound

3000 T

Earth busting x16
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v26/c013/14.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v27/c001/14.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v27/c003/11.html ?

Goku KK x20

6 500 000 m/s 19 117 x speed of sound, 0.021 x speed of light

55 000 T

Earth busting x333
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v27/c005/12.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v27/c006/6.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v27/c006/8.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v27/c012/7.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c327/12.html

Goku SSJ

16 000 000 m/s 47 059 x speed of sound, 0.053 x speed of light

140 000 T

Earth busting x833
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c329/14.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c330/4.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c330/10.html

Cyborg Frieza

15 000 000 m/s 44 117 x speed of sound, 0.05 x speed of light

150 000 T

Earth busting x840
 

King Cold

16 000 000 m/s 47 059 x speed of sound, 0.053 x speed of light

180 000 T

Earth busting x888
 

Androids

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c332/3.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c332/9.html

Future Trunks

20 000 000 m/s 0.067x speed of light

200 000 T

Earth busting x1111
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c334/10.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c334/12.html

Goku

23 000 000 m/s 0.076 x speed of light

210 000 T

Earth busting x1277


Androids arrived

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v29/c004/12.html

Android 19

10 000 000 m/s 0.033 x speed of light

100 000 T

Earth busting x555
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v29/c001/9.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v29/c001/15.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v29/c002/9.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v29/c008/11.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v29/c010/11.html

Android 20

10 000 000 m/s 0.033 x speed of light

100 000 T

Earth busting x555
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v29/c004/8.html

Goku after 3 y

27 000 000 m/s 0.09 x speed of light

250 000 T

Earth busting x1444 
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v29/c007/9.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v29/c007/13.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v30/c003/10.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v30/c008/7.html

Vegeta SSJ

27 000 000 m/s 0.09 x speed of light

270 000 T

Earth busting x1500
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v29/c009/8.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v29/c009/14.html

Piccolo after 3 y

12 000 000 m/s 0.04 x speed of light

110 000 T

Earth busting x639
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v30/c005/4.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v30/c005/5.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v30/c005/8.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v30/c005/10.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v31/c007/4.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v31/c007/14.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v31/c007/4.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v31/c007/14.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v31/c006/13.html  

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v30/c001/9.html

Android 17

41 000 000 m/s 0.14 x speed of light

370 000 T

Earth busting x2 166
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v30/c003/13.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v30/c004/14.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v30/c005/3.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v38/c009/8.html

Android 18

37 000 000 m/s 0.12 x speed of light

350 000 T

Earth busting x2 000
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v31/c009/8.html

Kami Piccolo

39 500 000 m/s 0.13 x speed of light

385 000 T

Earth busting x2 166

Cell Before abs peop

30 000 000 m/s 0.1 x speed of light

300 000 T

Earth busting x1 667
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v31/c008/13.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v31/c009/13.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v31/c010/3.html

Cell after abs peop

50 000 000 m/s 0.17 x speed of light

500 000 T

Earth busting x2778
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v31/c010/4.html

Android 16

45 000 000 m/s 0.15 x speed of light

550 000 T

Earth busting x2778
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v31/c012/4.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v31/c012/6.html

Cell after absorbing 17

110 000 000 m/s 0.36 x speed of light

1 000 000 T

Earth busting x5 833
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v32/c005/13.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v32/c007/3.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v32/c011/8.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v32/c011/12.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v32/c012/8.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v33/c003/2.html

Vegeta beyond SSJ

190 000 000 m/s 0.55 x speed of light

2 100 000 T

Earth busting x11 111
 

Trunks ultra SSJ

50 000 000 m/s 0.17 x speed of light

4 600 000 T
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v32/c010/13.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v33/c002/12.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v33/c004/3.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v33/c007/7.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v34/c003/2.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v34/c003/10.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v34/c010/9.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v35/c002/8.html

Perfect Cell

450 000 000 m/s 1.5 x speed of light

4 500 000 T

Earth busting x25 000
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v34/c002/12.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v34/c004/14.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v34/c005/3.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v34/c005/7.html

Goku after room

430 000 000 m/s 1.43 x speed of light

4 200 000 T

Earth busting x23 055
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v33/c007/13.html

Piccolo after room

70 000 000 m/s 0.23 x speed of light

690 000 T

Earth busting x3888
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v34/c009/8.html

Gohan after room

375 000 000 m/s 1.25 x speed of light

3 750 000 T

Earth busting x20833
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v34/c011/4.html

Cell Junior

200 000 000 m/s 0.67 x speed of light

2 000 000 T
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v34/c012/6.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v34/c012/10.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v35/c002/13.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v35/c008/3.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v35/c008/11.html

Gohan SSJ2

750 000 000 m/s 2.5 x speed of light

7 500 000 T

Earth busting x41 667
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v35/c005/10.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v35/c005/7.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v35/c006/9.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v35/c007/2.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v35/c007/4.html important

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v35/c008/3.html

Ultra perfect Cell

700 000 000 m/s 2.3 x speed of light

7 000 000 T

Earth busting x38 889

Solar system busting   
 
 

BUUUU

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v36/c003/8.html

Gohan 16 y

700 000 000 m/s 2.3 x speed of light

7 000 000 T

Earth busting x38 889
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v36/c004/13.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v37/c008/12.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v37/c009/6.html

Videl

40 m/s
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v36/c011/15.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v38/c004/7.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v38/c004/12.html

Vegeta

5 900 000 000 m/s 19.7 x speed of light

59 000 000 T

Earth busting x327 778
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v36/c011/4.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c002/12.html

Piccolo

140 000 000 m/s 0.47 x speed of light

1 370 000 T

Earth busting x7 778
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v37/c002/6.html

Goten

10 000 000 m/s

90 000 T

Earth busting x556
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v37/c004/13.html

Trunks

11 000 000 m/s

100 000T

Earth busting x611
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v37/c007/7.html

Krillin

90 000 m/s

870 T

Earth busting x5
 

Supreme Kai

370 000 000 m/s 1.23 x speed of light

3 650 000 T

Earth busting x20 555
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v37/c010/

Spopobitch

35     m/s

2T 
 

Kubito

270 000 000 m/s 0.9 x speed of light

3 000 000 T

Earth busting x15 555
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v38/c003/2.html

Dabura

740 000 000 m/s 2.46 x speed of light

7 500 000 T

Earth busting x41 111
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v38/c002/7.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v39/c012/6.html

Babi Di
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v38/c002/9.html

Pui Pui

10 000 000 m/s 0.03x speed of light

90 000 T

Earth busting x556
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v38/c005/11.html

Yakon

110 000 000 m/s 0.36 x speed of light

1 500 000 T

Earth busting x6944
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v38/c014/10.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v36/c008/10.html

Goku full power without going SSJ3

19 000 000 000 m/s 63.33 x speed of light

180 000 000 T

Earth busting x1 027 778
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v38/c011/11.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v39/c002/5.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v39/c003/4.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v39/c006/2.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v39/c008/12.html

Majin Vegeta

19 000 000 000 m/s 63.33 x speed of light

200 000 000 T

Earth busting x1 083 333
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v37/c013/13.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v39/c002/11.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v39/c003/9.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v39/c003/11.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v39/c004/6.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v39/c009/8.htmlv

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v39/c009/11.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v39/c011/11.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v39/c012/

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v39/c012/6.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v39/c012/7.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v40/c004/9.html

Fat Buu

29 000 000 000 m/s 96.67 x speed of light

300 000 000 T

Earth busting x1 611 111
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c007/11.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c014/2.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c014/13.html

Goku SSJ3

37 000 000 000 m/s 123.33 x speed of light

370   000 000 T

Earth busting 2 055 555
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v40/c010/8.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c008/10.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c009/last.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c010/5.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c010/13.html

Gotenks

34 000 000 000 m/s 113.33 x speed of light

330 000 000 T

Earth busting x1 888 889
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v40/c013/4.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v40/c013/7.html

Evil Buu

19 000 000 000 m/s 63.33 x speed of light

180 000 000 T

Earth busting x1 055 555
 
 

Innocent Buu

10 000 000 000 m/s 33.33 x speed of light

120 000 000 T

Earth busting x555 556
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c002/8.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c002/10.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c004/12.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c005/10.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c007/3.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c007/13.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c009/7.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c010/3.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c013/6.html

Buu after eatigng inoccent buu

33 000 000 000 m/s 110 x speed of light

335 000 000 T

Earth busting x1 833 333
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c012/8.html

majestic Gohan without SSJ

45 000 000 000 m/s 150 x speed of light

450 000 000 T

Earth busting x2 500 000
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c015/11.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c016/3.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c016/12.html

Buu after absorbing Gotenks

64 000 000 000 m/s 213.33 x speed of light

660 000 000 T

Earth busting x3 611 111
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c004/8.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c004/10.html

Buu After ab. Gohan

85 000 000 000 m/s 283 x speed of light

860 000 000 T

Earth busting x4 722 222
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c002/7.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c002/10.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c003/6.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c003/10.html

Vegetto SSJ 1

200 000 000 000 m/s 666.67 x speed of light

2 000 000 000 T

Earth busting x11 111 111
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c006/7.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c006/12.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c008/5.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c013/3.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c014/

Kid Buu

39 500 000 000 m/s 131.666 x speed of light

380 000 000 T

Earth busting x2 166 667
 

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c016/4.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c017/4.html

Pam

2 000 000 m/s 5882 x speed of sound, 0.0067 x speed of light

5000T

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#2 Posted by The_Martian (37399 posts) - - Show Bio

The only thing I can tell you is that by the time Goku fought Raditz he could not lift a ton.

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#3 Posted by jloneblackheart (8639 posts) - - Show Bio

and there are people who think they are stronger/faster than you do?!? No wonder there are so many problems. I love DBZ, but all this is speculation, and I think way off the mark. Also, online reading of comics/mangas is not cool, I don't know how sites like that are legal.

Online
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#4 Posted by CAPiTA (1525 posts) - - Show Bio

i'm simply amazed that you took the time to do this. bravo to you, man.
 
however, DB power levels are not linear, so they don't simply multiply tenfold, or one thousandfold. DB characters are much weaker than your calculations.

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#5 Posted by The_Martian (37399 posts) - - Show Bio
@jloneblackheart said:
" and there are people who think they are stronger/faster than you do?!? No wonder there are so many problems. I love DBZ, but all this is speculation, and I think way off the mark. Also, online reading of comics/mangas is not cool, I don't know how sites like that are legal. "
I think its easier to get away with mangas than comics. Different copyright laws in Japan.
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#6 Posted by Mortein (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nobody said:
" The only thing I can tell you is that by the time Goku fought Raditz he could not lift a ton. "
yet he lifted a car and trow it away in first issue
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#7 Posted by Grand Ninja (2606 posts) - - Show Bio

kudos to u

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#8 Posted by SwaggaB0y (5446 posts) - - Show Bio

WOW you took the time to do this and its all for nothing really.

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#9 Posted by Klandicar (2403 posts) - - Show Bio

Excellent work.  I wonder how to convert earth busting into solar system busting.  ;)

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#10 Posted by Psyker star (3506 posts) - - Show Bio

WOW this is a Huge post

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#11 Posted by Grand Ninja (2606 posts) - - Show Bio

i have a question though. how do you determine:
 
85 000 000 000 m/s 283 x speed of light

860 000 000 T

Earth busting x4 722 222  
 
 
????
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#12 Posted by Mortein (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@Grand Ninja said:
" i have a question though. how do you determine:
 
85 000 000 000 m/s 283 x speed of light

860 000 000 T

Earth busting x4 722 222     ???? "
Im drunk at the moment so maybe I wont make any sense.
I was using ABC logic, if the guy he fought was few times weaker and slower than yo know ABC logic
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#13 Posted by Mortein (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@SwaggaB0y said:
" WOW you took the time to do this and its all for nothing really. "
it wasnt so hard, I was reading manga and this was ypu know
and it was not for nothing, now u know when I say some DBZ character wins or lose, why I said so
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#14 Posted by DaMan (1277 posts) - - Show Bio

 This is confusing.
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#15 Posted by Mortein (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@DaMan said:
"  This is confusing. "
what?
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#16 Posted by DaMan (1277 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein:

 
Krillin

7 T

90 m/s or 0.26 speed of sound   
 
Where are you getting these stats from?

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#17 Edited by Mortein (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Posted by FLCL1 (9479 posts) - - Show Bio

sw33t thread dud3
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#19 Posted by DaMan (1277 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
"@DaMan said:

" @Mortein:

 
Krillin

7 T

90 m/s or 0.26 speed of sound   
 
Where are you getting these stats from?

"
didn't I say that is my personal impression, witch is based on his feats
  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v10/c006/7.html "

Well I thought that the scan would prove the stats you gave him, but the scan you provided for Krillin didn't have anything to do with speed. That's what confused me. I like the thread though.
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#20 Posted by Mortein (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@DaMan said:

" @Mortein said:

"@DaMan said:

" @Mortein:

 
Krillin

7 T

90 m/s or 0.26 speed of sound   
 
Where are you getting these stats from?

"
didn't I say that is my personal impression, witch is based on his feats
  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v10/c006/7.html "
Well I thought that the scan would prove the stats you gave him, but the scan you provided for Krillin didn't have anything to do with speed. That's what confused me. I like the thread though. "
ok, here you go
 http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-42-page-4.html
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#21 Posted by Grand Ninja (2606 posts) - - Show Bio

man this is crazy

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#22 Edited by Mortein (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@Grand Ninja said:

" man this is crazy "

dont call my thread crazy , he is just ..different :/
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#23 Edited by MisterGuyMan (2591 posts) - - Show Bio

These scans show that doubling power level doubles strength and speed.  The actual power levels are given in DenzehShu, the DBZ encyclopedia.

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#24 Posted by DaMan (1277 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein:
Nice. Thank you sir.
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#25 Posted by Mortein (5772 posts) - - Show Bio

crap is 4 in the morning, I should go to bed, please keep commenting

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#26 Posted by Jx4gz (1711 posts) - - Show Bio

Congratz,  guess what now, DBZ still sucks

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#27 Posted by Grand Ninja (2606 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jx4gz said:
" Congratz,  guess what now, DBZ still sucks "
the story telling sucks.
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#28 Posted by Jx4gz (1711 posts) - - Show Bio
@Grand Ninja said:
" @Jx4gz said:
" Congratz,  guess what now, DBZ still sucks "
the story telling sucks. "
Everything about it sucks.
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#29 Posted by DaMan (1277 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein:
Lol, it's about 10 something where I live.
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#30 Posted by DaMan (1277 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jx4gz said:
" @Grand Ninja said:
" @Jx4gz said:
" Congratz,  guess what now, DBZ still sucks "
the story telling sucks. "
Everything about it sucks. "

Ohhhh. I get it now.
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#31 Posted by kagetaicho (1996 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nobody said:
" The only thing I can tell you is that by the time Goku fought Raditz he could not lift a ton. "
are you kidding? remember in the first dbz episode  he easily liifted that huge oak tree?
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#32 Posted by Jx4gz (1711 posts) - - Show Bio
@kagetaicho said:
" @Nobody said:
" The only thing I can tell you is that by the time Goku fought Raditz he could not lift a ton. "
are you kidding? remember in the first dbz episode  he easily liifted that huge oak tree? "
DBZ is an inconsistent piece of crap, when he was training in the other world he couldnt lift 40 tons.
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#33 Posted by kagetaicho (1996 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jx4gz said:
" @kagetaicho said:
" @Nobody said:
" The only thing I can tell you is that by the time Goku fought Raditz he could not lift a ton. "
are you kidding? remember in the first dbz episode  he easily liifted that huge oak tree? "
DBZ is an inconsistent piece of crap, when he was training in the other world he couldnt lift 40 tons. "
true it can be inconsistent but that oak definitely didn't weigh 40 tons so I dont know what that has to do with anything but when he turned ssj1, the weight became meaningless (ssj1 increases your strength 50 fold) also that was before he even learned ssj2.
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#34 Posted by The_Martian (37399 posts) - - Show Bio
@kagetaicho said:
" @Nobody said:
" The only thing I can tell you is that by the time Goku fought Raditz he could not lift a ton. "
are you kidding? remember in the first dbz episode  he easily liifted that huge oak tree? "
When Goku first arrived on King Kai's planet he couldn't even lift his own body weight in 10x Earth's Gravity. If Goku weighed 200 lbs(which i doubt. He isn't supposed to be that tall) his body weight would have only been a ton.
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#35 Posted by kagetaicho (1996 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nobody said:
" @kagetaicho said:
" @Nobody said:
" The only thing I can tell you is that by the time Goku fought Raditz he could not lift a ton. "
are you kidding? remember in the first dbz episode  he easily liifted that huge oak tree? "
When Goku first arrived on King Kai's planet he couldn't even lift his own body weight in 10x Earth's Gravity. If Goku weighed 200 lbs(which i doubt. He isn't supposed to be that tall) his body weight would have only been a ton. "
that was because he was unused to the gravity. he adjusted in a matter of minutes if i recall.
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#36 Posted by Argentino_18 (964 posts) - - Show Bio

It's great, but I dont think they reach that levels, and in  the case they do, it isnt strenght, is force of impact (punches etc...)

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#37 Edited by ssjsuperman (955 posts) - - Show Bio


 
 


@Mortein:
 

this is cool i think i might do something like this with sailor moon
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#38 Posted by Johnny_Nemesis (2180 posts) - - Show Bio

Heres the truth about DBZ characters
 
None of them are class 100
None of them can move light speed
None of them can survive planetary exp[losions without regen
and only 2 or 3 of them can actually destroy a planet
 
These are the facts

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#39 Posted by Argentino_18 (964 posts) - - Show Bio

The point isnt their base stats, I need to write this another time? they pump up with ki, htey could lift like what 5-10 tons what the bigger the ki the stronger the warrior, and you never see them lifting weights in an actual combat 'couse they dont need to, deep inside they are martial artist (with extremely more power), you dont see Jet Li lifting a mailbox and throwing it to you, he gets near and beats the crap out of you. So that's the reason DB character strenght is not well documentated, 'couse they hit you dont toss you around smallville-like (I like Smallville but that's the true there are only a handful of superpowered fights where they engange in a fist fight, they hit, the other flies and then the toss stuff around) 
 DB is Japanese, their definition of fights on Manga is different from comics, so it's very hard to compare it

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#40 Posted by cly (15017 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow! What a list. Nice work. These statistics are cool, and would be way cool if they were close to the real thing.
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#41 Posted by Baldy (4960 posts) - - Show Bio

I think they are all pretty low powered. They only very rarely actually have good feats and yet for some reason people think they are unstoppable.
 
I think the powerlevel this is just plain stupid as did the maker of Dragonball which is why he abandoned it after the Freiza saga.

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#42 Posted by Just_Because (242 posts) - - Show Bio
@Baldy: 
 
if you thik people being able to stop tim,freeze people in time, reality wwarp all of heaven and hell, break down all of reality with a scream destroy planets at whim etc etc then thats you. No one is saying that dbz charcters are going to go out and fight galactus or mxy. The weakest human o dragonball z thats a fighter is capable of creating a blast that can destroy the moon, move faster than sound,and have entire fight scens, stop to think and have another fight scene in 0.2 seconds. He has a power level of 139. Goku when he turned super saiyan for the first time had a power level of 150,000,000 
 
Akira stopped using PL because Goku and plas became too powerful. It had been established that 139 PL can easily destroy the moon. It was then confirmed by Goku that his 936 PL kamahamaha couldnt put a scratch on Raditz. A blast that would destroy the moon 6 times over couldnt put a single scratch on the weakest saiyan there was. Every single fight after raditz akira had to make everyone hold back while fighting because they had become so powerful. Vegeta was hired to conquer ad destroy planets if need be. that was his job description under freeza. Conquer and destroy planets. Vegeta had a PL of what 18,000. So what do you think goku with 150,000,000 can do? Dragonball z doesnt need any feats of stupdity. And glad they dont resort to running chains into hundreds of planets and dragging them off. I'm glad theres no galactus. Feats like these are stupid, and plain lame. I wouldnt watch dbz if i had to go into battle threads saying crap like Goku is more important to the unverse so he wins. vegeta and goku can both blink out universes but goku is more important because he's related to this guy, and this guy talks to this guy over here so he wins.If thats what you find appealing then more power to you.And everytime someone tries to mention a feat from the anime that was filler people want to go batshit crazy and yell non canon. despite the fact that akira toriyama specifically created beings for anime filler such as gregory and the like. So when you mention gohan at base form lifting a an airplane, or vegeta effortsly destroying a planet, or kidd buu destroying galxies people want to go apeshit, all the while saying They have no feats. hen in the same breath try to smash different versions of comic book  feats togther from different writers. 
 
Dbz characters are powerful. they dont need to punch apart a planet. Goku turning into asuper saiayn 3 if left unchecked could destroy one. Goku doesnt need to punch through reality. his 9 year old son at super saiyan 3 can do it with a scream. Goku doesnt need to have light speed. His instant transmission Allows him to go faster than light speeds. Freeza dioesnt need to move a planet with his strength. he can wave his hand and one will blow up. Janemba doesnt need to be able to Fight an over powered SA superman. he can wave his hand and create an army of SA supermen to fight just one and then will them out of existance and go about his buisness. Janemba doesnt need to build amachind that will destroy universes like imperiex did. His very existance and constant reality warping was doing that. Trunks doesnt need to be able to survive a planet exploding like superman. he can cut trhough a person who can survive a planet exploding and turn them to dust. If you think these people arent powerful, well thats you. Other people disagree.
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#43 Posted by Argentino_18 (964 posts) - - Show Bio
@Just_Because said:
" @Baldy:  if you thik people being able to stop tim,freeze people in time, reality wwarp all of heaven and hell, break down all of reality with a scream destroy planets at whim etc etc then thats you. No one is saying that dbz charcters are going to go out and fight galactus or mxy. The weakest human o dragonball z thats a fighter is capable of creating a blast that can destroy the moon, move faster than sound,and have entire fight scens, stop to think and have another fight scene in 0.2 seconds. He has a power level of 139. Goku when he turned super saiyan for the first time had a power level of 150,000,000  Akira stopped using PL because Goku and plas became too powerful. It had been established that 139 PL can easily destroy the moon. It was then confirmed by Goku that his 936 PL kamahamaha couldnt put a scratch on Raditz. A blast that would destroy the moon 6 times over couldnt put a single scratch on the weakest saiyan there was. Every single fight after raditz akira had to make everyone hold back while fighting because they had become so powerful. Vegeta was hired to conquer ad destroy planets if need be. that was his job description under freeza. Conquer and destroy planets. Vegeta had a PL of what 18,000. So what do you think goku with 150,000,000 can do? Dragonball z doesnt need any feats of stupdity. And glad they dont resort to running chains into hundreds of planets and dragging them off. I'm glad theres no galactus. Feats like these are stupid, and plain lame. I wouldnt watch dbz if i had to go into battle threads saying crap like Goku is more important to the unverse so he wins. vegeta and goku can both blink out universes but goku is more important because he's related to this guy, and this guy talks to this guy over here so he wins.If thats what you find appealing then more power to you.And everytime someone tries to mention a feat from the anime that was filler people want to go batshit crazy and yell non canon. despite the fact that akira toriyama specifically created beings for anime filler such as gregory and the like. So when you mention gohan at base form lifting a an airplane, or vegeta effortsly destroying a planet, or kidd buu destroying galxies people want to go apeshit, all the while saying They have no feats. hen in the same breath try to smash different versions of comic book  feats togther from different writers.  Dbz characters are powerful. they dont need to punch apart a planet. Goku turning into asuper saiayn 3 if left unchecked could destroy one. Goku doesnt need to punch through reality. his 9 year old son at super saiyan 3 can do it with a scream. Goku doesnt need to have light speed. His instant transmission Allows him to go faster than light speeds. Freeza dioesnt need to move a planet with his strength. he can wave his hand and one will blow up. Janemba doesnt need to be able to Fight an over powered SA superman. he can wave his hand and create an army of SA supermen to fight just one and then will them out of existance and go about his buisness. Janemba doesnt need to build amachind that will destroy universes like imperiex did. His very existance and constant reality warping was doing that. Trunks doesnt need to be able to survive a planet exploding like superman. he can cut trhough a person who can survive a planet exploding and turn them to dust. If you think these people arent powerful, well thats you. Other people disagree. "
Amen
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#44 Posted by Johnny_Nemesis (2180 posts) - - Show Bio
@Argentino_18 said:
" The point isnt their base stats, I need to write this another time? they pump up with ki, htey could lift like what 5-10 tons what the bigger the ki the stronger the warrior, and you never see them lifting weights in an actual combat 'couse they dont need to, deep inside they are martial artist (with extremely more power), you dont see Jet Li lifting a mailbox and throwing it to you, he gets near and beats the crap out of you. So that's the reason DB character strenght is not well documentated, 'couse they hit you dont toss you around smallville-like (I like Smallville but that's the true there are only a handful of superpowered fights where they engange in a fist fight, they hit, the other flies and then the toss stuff around)  DB is Japanese, their definition of fights on Manga is different from comics, so it's very hard to compare it "
Still waiting for you to provide proof on this...
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#45 Posted by Just_Because (242 posts) - - Show Bio
@Johnny_Nemesis said:
" @Argentino_18 said:
" The point isnt their base stats, I need to write this another time? they pump up with ki, htey could lift like what 5-10 tons what the bigger the ki the stronger the warrior, and you never see them lifting weights in an actual combat 'couse they dont need to, deep inside they are martial artist (with extremely more power), you dont see Jet Li lifting a mailbox and throwing it to you, he gets near and beats the crap out of you. So that's the reason DB character strenght is not well documentated, 'couse they hit you dont toss you around smallville-like (I like Smallville but that's the true there are only a handful of superpowered fights where they engange in a fist fight, they hit, the other flies and then the toss stuff around)  DB is Japanese, their definition of fights on Manga is different from comics, so it's very hard to compare it "
Still waiting for you to provide proof on this... "


you already have proof of this because i showed it to you already. Goku at base cant lift 40 tons, he turns super saiyan and get pumped full of ki..he then can. Goku isnt as fast as freeza, he turns ssj he faster than freeza. Goku has to dodge freezas deathbeams that killed vegeta. He turns ssj he takes them directly to the face. Goku fighting vegeta cant hurt vegeta goku uses kaoiken he becomes stronger than vegeta. this has been told to you, and shown to you many times already.
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#46 Posted by Johnny_Nemesis (2180 posts) - - Show Bio
@Just_Because said:
" @Johnny_Nemesis said:
" @Argentino_18 said:
" The point isnt their base stats, I need to write this another time? they pump up with ki, htey could lift like what 5-10 tons what the bigger the ki the stronger the warrior, and you never see them lifting weights in an actual combat 'couse they dont need to, deep inside they are martial artist (with extremely more power), you dont see Jet Li lifting a mailbox and throwing it to you, he gets near and beats the crap out of you. So that's the reason DB character strenght is not well documentated, 'couse they hit you dont toss you around smallville-like (I like Smallville but that's the true there are only a handful of superpowered fights where they engange in a fist fight, they hit, the other flies and then the toss stuff around)  DB is Japanese, their definition of fights on Manga is different from comics, so it's very hard to compare it "
Still waiting for you to provide proof on this... "
you already have proof of this because i showed it to you already. Goku at base cant lift 40 tons, he turns super saiyan and get pumped full of ki..he then can. Goku isnt as fast as freeza, he turns ssj he faster than freeza. Goku has to dodge freezas deathbeams that killed vegeta. He turns ssj he takes them directly to the face. Goku fighting vegeta cant hurt vegeta goku uses kaoiken he becomes stronger than vegeta. this has been told to you, and shown to you many times already. "
Excuse me but I was talking to Argentino not you troll boy, so please piss off now. All hope for you has already been lost like 3 accounts ago...
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#47 Posted by Argentino_18 (964 posts) - - Show Bio
@Johnny_Nemesis said:
" @Just_Because said:
" @Johnny_Nemesis said:
" @Argentino_18 said:
" The point isnt their base stats, I need to write this another time? they pump up with ki, htey could lift like what 5-10 tons what the bigger the ki the stronger the warrior, and you never see them lifting weights in an actual combat 'couse they dont need to, deep inside they are martial artist (with extremely more power), you dont see Jet Li lifting a mailbox and throwing it to you, he gets near and beats the crap out of you. So that's the reason DB character strenght is not well documentated, 'couse they hit you dont toss you around smallville-like (I like Smallville but that's the true there are only a handful of superpowered fights where they engange in a fist fight, they hit, the other flies and then the toss stuff around)  DB is Japanese, their definition of fights on Manga is different from comics, so it's very hard to compare it "
Still waiting for you to provide proof on this... "
you already have proof of this because i showed it to you already. Goku at base cant lift 40 tons, he turns super saiyan and get pumpedfull of ki..he then can. Goku isnt as fast as freeza, he turns ssj he faster than freeza. Goke has to dodge freezas deathbeams that killed vegeta. He turns ssj he takes them directly to the face "
Excuse me but I was talking to Argentino, not you troll boy so please buzz off, all hope for you has already been lost "
You say that you readed all DB? Right? 
The proof is in the manga, the more ki the have the more powerful they become, I'm only stating that, they convert Ki into a boost to their abilities, Krillin, being an human child could lift heavier enemies not only by physical training, he could 'couse his Ki grew  
 Why do you need proof if you stated like thirty times that you know more of DB than me or Just_becouse 
If you do prove me wrong, and put scans that show Goku having troubles to lift a tree or something like...
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#48 Posted by Just_Because (242 posts) - - Show Bio
@Johnny_Nemesis said:
" @Just_Because said:
" @Johnny_Nemesis said:
" @Argentino_18 said:
" The point isnt their base stats, I need to write this another time? they pump up with ki, htey could lift like what 5-10 tons what the bigger the ki the stronger the warrior, and you never see them lifting weights in an actual combat 'couse they dont need to, deep inside they are martial artist (with extremely more power), you dont see Jet Li lifting a mailbox and throwing it to you, he gets near and beats the crap out of you. So that's the reason DB character strenght is not well documentated, 'couse they hit you dont toss you around smallville-like (I like Smallville but that's the true there are only a handful of superpowered fights where they engange in a fist fight, they hit, the other flies and then the toss stuff around)  DB is Japanese, their definition of fights on Manga is different from comics, so it's very hard to compare it "
Still waiting for you to provide proof on this... "
you already have proof of this because i showed it to you already. Goku at base cant lift 40 tons, he turns super saiyan and get pumped full of ki..he then can. Goku isnt as fast as freeza, he turns ssj he faster than freeza. Goku has to dodge freezas deathbeams that killed vegeta. He turns ssj he takes them directly to the face. Goku fighting vegeta cant hurt vegeta goku uses kaoiken he becomes stronger than vegeta. this has been told to you, and shown to you many times already. "
Excuse me but I was talking to Argentino not you troll boy, so please piss off now. All hope for you has already been lost like 3 accounts ago... "

it doesnt matter who you were talking proof. You asked for proof and you got it. But hey you can sit here and name call some more i'm sure the mods will love that after you have already been warned.
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#49 Posted by Johnny_Nemesis (2180 posts) - - Show Bio

I've already addressed your proof numerous times, but DBZ fans love to live in this little world where all logic seems to go in one ear and out the other.  You're a lost cause kid...go back to troll ville where Goku can blow up a solar system and move a bazillion times light speed...

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#50 Posted by Just_Because (242 posts) - - Show Bio

I;m sorry you addressed my proof how exactly? Please feel free to enlighten us poor lost dbz souls. Or take the easy way out and just call me a troll and say you're not going to waste your time. I dont know why you insist on coming into dbz threads only to be disruptive, not bothering to debate. Just you telling epople how wrong they are without giving reasons why. Just you calling people trolls. But as i said you were warned already but i guess it didnt stick. So i'mjust going to flag you again and tell the mods deal with it.  :) 
 
hopefully after the next warning you can have a debate without behaving the way you do.