Darth Vader vs Kuwabara

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Darth Vader has Canon/Disney/EU feats

Win by death,ko or incap

Morals off

Even with EU feats Kuwabara should erase Vader

Vader solo the verse here

@sheevsmacker: no

Google the verse. Like...That's absurd. He can't even exist near some of the characters.

With what feats in particular does he solo the verse?

Vader

@theorder14: By feat and scale he far above the Sheev who can consume entire cosmos

Unleashing the full power of his hatred, he conjures a Force Storm that threatens to consume all of space, including the New Republic fleet.

Source: The Comics Companion

@sheevsmacker: That's not something Vader did himself. Vader himself is not able to consume the cosmos with the force TK.

@theorder14: Vader stronger than Sheev so he can have consume the cosmos with ease.

@sheevsmacker: How about you prove it then? Show me Vader consuming a cosmos with ease. That should be an easy task if ur that confident.

@theorder14: Vader scale above the Sheev easily he even stomp him while vader pre prime.

Sheev can destory entire cosmos with his power

Unleashing the full power of his hatred, he conjures a Force Storm that threatens to consume all of space, including the New Republic fleet.

--The Comics Companion

@sheevsmacker: As expected, i did not see a single statement that suggest Vader is anywhere cosmos level in those scans lol. Also, that ranking list is about their skill with the saber. Not the force.

Kuwabara easily oneshots with his dimension sword which can cut apart space and dimensions itself.

@theorder14: Why are you made? Sheev is cosmos level and Vader scale above him. Can read or no? Ability with lightsaber correlate with force in most case. Why have ignore other statement of Vader above Sheev? Vader can solo this verse by scale.

@sheevsmacker: I'll concede as soon as you show me feats of Vader actually using force/ force storm of that level but you have so far showed none. Sheev is the only one of the two who have used force storm and even then he doesn't have full control of them. It doesn't even matter if Vader can't output that much force fast enough. Dimension sword would penetrate any defenses Vader have.

Edit:

Why have ignore other statement of Vader above Sheev?

Honestly, those statements are utterly irrelevant.

Which part of this statement here suggest Vader is cosmos lvl?

Please break it down to me so that i can understand

Mark it to me please.

Whether Sheev or no can contorl Force storm is irelavant. It is expression of Sheev power, and Vader scale much stronger than the Sheev. Vader stomp.

@sheevsmacker: You haven't actually told me the how he is winning nor how he's countering the dimension sword.

So tell me, how exactly does he counter the dimension sword. Give me an explicit reason.

He can counter it with force he is strong enough to doing so.

Also "most powerful sith" mean that he is stronger than the Sheev who is cosmos level. Why cannot understand?

What kind of rebuttal is that?

How exactly does the force counter an attack capable of cutting space and dimension itself. Break it down for me.

Why cannot understand?

That's my question to you-

Because in battle forum. Actual battle feats is the most important thing. Scaling Vader to Sheev who used a technique Vader is not capable of using is not the way.

You will have to actually PROVE Vader is outputting force on a cosmic scale. Merely scaling it to Sheev is not nearly enough.

Why deny feat? Force can block sword with power no?

Sheev with expression of Sheev full power can consume. Vader is have infinite more power than the Sheev easily, so he can replicate level of destruction the Sheev can preform.

If Sheev, who can output force on cosmic scale is vast below the Vader, then Vader can easily do same. Why is deny this very simple fact?

@sheevsmacker:

Why deny feat? Force can block sword with power no?

You haven't told me how it block space and dimension cutting. Kuwabara can pretty much used it to create a space time tear like a wormhole.

Sheev with expression of Sheev full power can consume. Vader is have infinite more power than the Sheev easily, so he can replicate level of destruction the Sheev can preform.

If Sheev, who can output force on cosmic scale is vast below the Vader, then Vader can easily do same. Why is deny this very simple fact?

Again, Vader have never ever once shown that type of power. You need only show me one single feat/scans of Vader actually outputting that kind of force. Just one scan is enough to convince me. The fact that ur unable to do so is proof enough that Vader is not actually capable of doing this.

Just one single scan of Vader using cosmic lvl force. Either against multiple enemies or a single target.

Just one scan.

Like is this cosmic lvl force according to you?

or is it this one?

or maybe this one

According to you. Are these cosmic lvl force he's outputting?

Just one scan of him using that level of power is enough. Which scan is it that actually show him outputting that kind of power? If we never seen him use that type of force then according to standard battle forum rules. He would have to act in character and would never output that much power anyways even if he truly is that powerful.

Remember. Just . one. single. scan.

@theorder14: You are act as if Vader is use full power in these scan? As if these are his limitation. Is a falsehood. Vader by feat and scale is have cosmic force power.

The fact that ur unable to do so is proof enough that Vader is not actually capable of doing this.

"absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

Wikipedia - Argument from Ignorance

Vader solo the entire verse here.

@theorder14: Cosmic level power here

Nope because Kuwabara is obviously multiversal. Vader has nothing against that type of power :D

@sheevsmacker said:

@theorder14: Cosmic level power here

haha, good one.

@theorder14: All of space >>>>>>> Multiverse.

haha, good one.

Yup, Vader one shots.

@sheevsmacker: He literally has a sword that can cut all space

So Dimemsion Sword >>>>> All of space.

Easy to see the clear winner here.

@theorder14:

Cut

make an opening, incision, or wound in (something) with a sharp-edged tool or object.

-Oxford Languages

Sword can only split space. Sheev can consume and destory all of space. Consume all of space >>> make cut in space.

Vader >>>>>>>> Sheev >>>>> kuwabara verse

@sheevsmacker:

Sword can only split space.

Nope, his sword evolved to Van dine's twenty commandments allowing him to slash apart the whole world, the reality and the universe itself.

Universal level slash >>>>>>Vader

Slash apart <<<<< Consumption

Vader >>>>>> Sheev >>>>> All of Space >>>>> universe level

Why you have logicless argumentation here?

Thats my question to you.

Van dine's commandements slash reality and fiction itself. There's no logic when it comes to such an attack.