Darth Sidious and Darth Vader Run a Gauntlet

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Round 1- Darth Maul, Savage Opress, and Asajj Ventress

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Round 2- Anakin Skywalker and Mace Windu

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Round 3- Yoda and Mace Windu

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Round 4- Yoda, Mace Windu, and Ahsoka Tano

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#2  Edited By GangOrca

Clears

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Prime Sidious solos.

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Should stop at 3. Mace and prime Vader should be equals more or less with the physical advantage/lightsaber going to Mace and force advantage going to Vader. Mace is capable of out --dueling Palpatine in lightsabers. Vader couldn't replicate that feat in sabers, but would make Palpatine work for it.

If Mace can finish Vader off, which he will eventually, he can assist Yoda and they would somewhat make quick work of Palpatine who goes down after putting up a bit of resistance or tries to flee.

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@barelyaverage17: This is prime Sidious we're talking about, I don't see how Yoda is going to hold him off for so long even if Mace somehow manages to beat Vader.

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Vader solos

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Duo clears with ease.

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Lol at Vader soloing.

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Vader solos

Same Vader that struggles with characters weaker than Yoda is getting past Yoda, Windu, and Ashoka. I think not.

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Stops at 3.

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Sidious solos.

Dyad Sidious > Zombie Sidious > Snoke = ROTJ Palps > Vader > Anyone on these teams

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Prime Sidious is just too powerful, I think Vader and Sidious clear based on how hard Sidious is carrying the team.

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@gangorca: so Prime Yoda doesn't get the same prime boost that Sidious gets? He should be able to at least hold him off even if he is on the losing side. I feel Windu can clear Vader out in time to help Yoda

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@gangorca: so Prime Yoda doesn't get the same prime boost that Sidious gets? He should be able to at least hold him off even if he is on the losing side. I feel Windu can clear Vader out in time to help Yoda

Prime Yoda is mostly unknown and I doubt he is comparable to Dyad Sidious. ROTJ Sidious was already much more powerful than his ROTS counterpart as well as more powerful than prime Vader who in turn is above Knightfall Vader, a solid tier 9. If we go by the statement about Snoke being ROTJ Sidious tier, that makes the scaling to Dyad Sidious even worse.

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Sidious solos.

Dyad Sidious > Zombie Sidious > Snoke = ROTJ Palps > Vader > Anyone on these teams

where tf did you get zombie sidious > rotj sheev from.

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@sheevsmacker: From the TROS novels which has Kylo outright state Sheev's as a zombie is beyond anything he's ever felt before which should include Prime Luke and Snoke.

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adding fodder to round 3 doesn't stop them from clearing

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@sheevsmacker:

Martin’s words < The actual novel

There’s no world where some dudes words on Twitter are higher value than the actual novels, comics and movies.

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@sheevsmacker:

Martin’s words < The actual novel

There’s no world where some dudes words on Twitter are higher value than the actual novels, comics and movies.

Novel no contradict statement that ROS Sheev sub ROTS Sheev.

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@sheevsmacker: The novels shows Zombie Palaptine > ROTJ Palpatine

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There‘s also numerous statements from other sources supporting that Zombie Palps > Snoke > ROTJ Palps and other force users
@sheevsmacker:

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@devoidruby: since when is Snoke > ROTJ Sheev. Is a nonsense.

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@devoidruby: nvm the novel also says that Palpatine has yet to be restored to full power, disproving your head canon that the canonically weakened version of Zombie Sheev is superior to any canonical version of Sidious.

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ROTS Sheev > ROS Zombie Sheev. Fact.

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stops at 3

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@sheevsmacker: It says in wait of Sheev's full power, which is ROTJ Sidious and not ROTS Sidious. There is no proof that ROTS Sidious > TROS pre-Dyad Sidious in the force.

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@devoidruby: nvm the novel also says that Palpatine has yet to be restored to full power, disproving your head canon that the canonically weakened version of Zombie Sheev is superior to any canonical version of Sidious.

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ROTS Sheev > ROS Zombie Sheev. Fact.

All that shows is Zombie Sheev was weakened, not that his ‘full power’ is his ROTJ self.

And it isn’t headcanon at all. The text blatantly states Zombie Palps > Anyone Kylo has ever sensed

Snoke has quotes placing him on a level that’s equal to or greater than Palpatine

While not only the novel, but also other sources such as Star Wars.com confirm Zombie Palpatine > Snoke

So you have Matt Martin and your own headcanon about the wording of the books in regards to Palaptine‘s full power. While I have the novel, feats, and statements all supporting the idea that Snoke is inferior to Zombie Palpatine.

Dyad Palps > Zombie Palps > Snoke >= ROTJ Palps

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i'm just gonna assume for the sake of argument this is not referring to dyad boosted sidious, who could probably solo. I'm gonna assume ROTJ sidious.

they stop at 4. at round 3, the team wins because vader>mace. But mace plus ahsoka can actually probably defeat vader.

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ROTJ Sidious is confirmed more powerful than Zombie Palps who is confirmed more powerful than Snoke. This is also suported by Sidious not using any of his Snoke bodies on Exegol as a new vessel. They were simply not powerful enough to sustain his power to the point he prefered his literal corpse of a body. In contrast, ROTJ Sidious' body didn't had problems containing his spirit.

ROTJ Sidious>Zombie Sidious>Snoke

Your first Snoke quote says that PERHAPS he has abilities beyond what the viewers ever SEEN previously. Sidious clearly didn't show his full power in ROTJ so Snoke doesn't scale from this. The quote is retconed now anyway.

Snoke's second quote is from Luke's perspective, not omniscient and it was debunked by Azronger.

Zombie Sheev is still more powerful than ROTS Sidious probably.

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@devoidruby: nvm the novel also says that Palpatine has yet to be restored to full power, disproving your head canon that the canonically weakened version of Zombie Sheev is superior to any canonical version of Sidious.

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ROTS Sheev > ROS Zombie Sheev. Fact.

All that shows is Zombie Sheev was weakened, not that his ‘full power’ is his ROTJ self.

And it isn’t headcanon at all. The text blatantly states Zombie Palps > Anyone Kylo has ever sensed

Snoke has quotes placing him on a level that’s equal to or greater than Palpatine

While not only the novel, but also other sources such as Star Wars.com confirm Zombie Palpatine > Snoke

So you have Matt Martin and your own headcanon about the wording of the books in regards to Palaptine‘s full power. While I have the novel, feats, and statements all supporting the idea that Snoke is inferior to Zombie Palpatine.

Dyad Palps > Zombie Palps > Snoke >= ROTJ Palps

All that shows is Zombie Sheev was weakened,

Yes exactly. You are able to read what you are typing yes?

not that his ‘full power’ is his ROTJ self.

That's the logical assumption to make, since the last time that Sidious was normal and not in a near dead Zombie state was ROTJ, moreover, it literally says 'restore' to full power. As in:

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to bring back to a former, original, or normal condition

ROTJ Sidious is the most recent version of the character before ROS, indicating that ROTJ Palpatine is full power Palpatine and that ROS is weakened, as stated by not only this novel but also Matt Martin, who is WOG.

And it isn’t headcanon at all

What you think is headcanon in every single way.

The text blatantly states Zombie Palps > Anyone Kylo has ever sensed

Good thing that Kylo hasn't sensed anyone as powerful as ROTJ Palpatine.

Snoke has quotes placing him on a level that’s equal to or greater than Palpatine

Good thing those are contradicted by official canon where Snoke is a mere pawn of Palpatine and as you have helpfully provided, an inferior to even his Zombie state, which I have proven to be a weakened incarnation of Palpatine via not only Word of God but also the novel, which you unsuccessfully used to attempt to support the laughable notion that Zombie Sidious is somehow superior to ROTJ Sidious. WOG and Novel canon >>>>>>>>>>> Your Head Canon.

So you have Matt Martin and your own headcanon about the wording of the books in regards to Palaptine‘s full power.

You've only proven that you can't read and need some more elementary grade reading classes. Martin states that ROS Zombie Palps is weakened or 'nerfed' saying that he is inferior in the force to ROTS Palpatine. Absolutely nothing solid states the otherwise. Moreover, the novel, which you used yourself, actually states that Palpatine needs to be restored to full power, I've already provided the definition of above so don't try to twist and turn your way out. Fact of the matter is that ROTJ and ROTS Palps are superior to Zombie ROS Palps. Moreover, never did I contest that Snoke is not inferior to Palpatine. The fact that he is stated to be inferior to Zombie Palpatine just buries him further down the scaling chain.

Dyad Palps > Zombie Palps > Snoke >= ROTJ Palps

Yeah no get out of here with that Head Canon.

Dyad Palps > ROTJ Palpatine > ROTS Palpatine > Zombie Sidious > Snoke.

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Stop at 4. Ashoka can distract Vader long enough for Mace and Yoda to beat Palpatine

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Ep 9 Palpatine can solo. Besides that, they stop at the final round.

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Stop at 4. Ashoka can distract Vader long enough for Mace and Yoda to beat Palpatine

lol no, Palpatine can handle the Jedi better than Ashoka can handle Vader without a doubt. This isn't ROTS Sidious were are talking about.

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Sheev has Fun dealing with those eugenes Vader Sits Down and just Watches the Spectacle

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@sheevsmacker: He already had trouble with Ahsoka, and you think he solos her, Yoda, and Mace at the same time? Yoda already has a good argument for soloing...

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@alextheboss: Prime Vader should solo Yoda and the Mace via the scaling and Ahsoka. Vader >>> The Sheev so should can be a win.

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