Darth Maul replaces Count Dooku on Geonosis

Scenario 1: Geonosis

• Darth Maul is in the same area Dooku fought Anikan, Obi wan and Yoda.
• Maul is at his peak.
• He'll fight AOTC Anikan and Obi wan with Yoda showing up 2 minutes or so later.
• The characters will fight him with the same level of seriousness as they did with Dooku.

Scenario 2: Aboard the flagship in Revenge of the Sith.

Since I'd rather not make another thread, lets tackle this one too.

• Same idea, but Maul is fighting only ROTS Anikan and Obi wan with the intent on killing them both.
• Maul is at the peak of his power.

@cj_the_dj@mrsportsguy13@hittheassasin@subline@g_race@laskt@scotticusrex@richard96@lord_tenebrous

Scenario 1

TPM Maul narrowly wins against the Jedi duo and gets stomped by Yoda

Obi-Wan would make this difficult for him because of prior knowledge having faced Maul. Anakin as a padawan also made a training copy simulator of Maul and some of his fighting techniques. He would be a familiar opponent but still too skilled in my opinion. Maul vs Yoda doesn't really need explaining.

Scenario 2

Maul gets absolutely mopped. This is a pure stomp for the Jedi. Either could solo.

Wins in a good fight, and then gets wrecked by Yoda.

He'll fight AOTC Anikan and Obi wan with Yoda showing up 2 minutes or so later.

The characters will fight him with the same level of seriousness as they did with Dooku.

Maul thrashes Anakin & Obi-Wan, but gets stomped by Yoda.

Same idea, but Maul is fighting only ROTS Anikan and Obi wan with the intent on killing them both.

Duo easily wins. While Maul is more than a match for either on an individual basis, it's not by much -- combined, he doesn't stand a chance.

Kenobi might beat Maul honestly. It would be incredibly close and drawn out though.

FoB!Anakin and Yoda utterly destroy him.

Anakin or Kenobi effortlessly solo in their RotS incarnations.

He'd beat Anakin as of AoTC, you could make an argument for Obi Wan winning but it's far fetched. Yoda mops the floor with him. As of RoTS, either Anakin or Obi Wan trounce him hilariously.

Scenario 1: Maul would defeat the team, but they honestly can probably hold out long enough for Yoda to show up unless Anakin does something stupid. Maul either tries to run like Dooku or dies.

Scenario 2: Maul gets low diffed.

Beats the duo in round 1, then proceeds to get lolstomped by Yoda

Puts up a decent fight in round 2, but ultimately loses.

@greysentinel365: @king-ragnar: You can only make an argument for AOTC Obi-wan beating TPM Maul, and as king said, it's far fetched. The OP says prime Maul though, so Obi-wan would need a miracle to win at this point in time. Or Dave Filoni PIS.

Scenario one Anakin loses more than an arm, he gets killed. Maul is just vicious like that. The Count tends to show a level of ‘honour’ while in a duel scenario, he is just bourgeois like that which resulted in Anakin ‘only’ losing an arm.

Kenobi goes on to kill Maul in a hotly contested duel considering his growth from the Phantom menace. Kenobi would have to work for it, and it could still go in favor of Maul, but the majority goes to Obi Wan. Regardless, he would draw it out long enough for Yoda to arrive and crush Maul.

Scenario 2: The combined might of the Jedi are simply too much. Anakin/Kenobi have the kind of synergy and battle acumen to secure the win nearly every time. Honestly at this point either Jedi could very nearly stomp-particularly Anakin.

Round 1, Maul might be able to win given Anakins tactical ineptitude, but I think either of the duo could give TPM Maul a good fight on their own so they should win barring that.

Round 2 the duo absolutely stomps in a mismatch. Anakin alone stomps by virtue of being superior in every relevant category, and adding Obi Wan who should match if not exceed Maul by ROTS is just cruel.

Maul would not be able to defeat the duo before Yoda arrives and then he dies instantly.

@subline said:

You underestimate how lowballed Maul can be.

Do tell, I'm curious. lol

R1: Darth Maul can beat Obi-Wan and Anakin, but unless Anakin acts rashly like he did against Dooku, they could probably hold their own until Yoda arrives and stomps Maul.

R2: Either can solo. Together, they beat Maul decisively.

R1: maul beats the two jedi, and gets stomped by Yoda

R2: the team destroys him.

@kirkseven:

Tbh I was simply anticipating their answer.

The Maul lowball honestly comes from Qui Gon lowball.

Also because he's such an Fing jobber.

Anakin will act rashly. It's part of his character. Especially AOTC unrefined, inexperienced Anakin. It won't be as rash as against Dooku because he had great distaste for the Count due to what he did to the Jedi on Geonosis. Maul is just an assassin to them and Obi-Wan would really dislike him because he killed Jinn. Regardless, it still will be enough where I can see TPM Maul taking a decent majority.

This.

@void_reborn:

Anakin will act rashly. It's part of his character. Especially AOTC unrefined, inexperienced Anakin.

Perhaps I should've specified more clearly. Anakin will make rash decisions, but I don't think he's going to recklessly charge in like he did with Dooku since there's nothing motivating him to do something like that here.

It won't be as rash as against Dooku because he had great distaste for the Count due to what he did to the Jedi on Geonosis.

Precisely.

Maul is just an assassin to them and Obi-Wan would really dislike him because he killed Jinn.

Which will make the fight harder for Maul.

Regardless, it still will be enough where I can see TPM Maul taking a decent majority.

I agree, but unless he's able to separate the duo for an extended period of time, he probably won't be able to defeat both of them before Yoda arrives.

@ct-5555: True

He'd possibly be good enough to beat both of them, maybe.

If Maul tries to engage Yoda, he'd probably die within 15 seconds.

Round 2 would result in Maul losing too.

Scenario One: Maul likely doesnt dispatch Anakin immediately, and is then forced to fight the duo, where he could lose or win. Either way, Yoda dominates and defeats him before he can escape.

Scenario Two: Anakin or Obi Wan solo TPM Maul mid diff. If we are using peak Maul, i.e, Enraged TCW Maul, then he stands a good chance, up until he kills Kenobi and causes Anakin to become enraged.

Enraged Anakin > Enraged Maul > Anakin > Maul. I dont think fighting experience or style differences play any part in a battle between this duo.

Scenario 1: Maul obliterates Anakin, and beats Kenobi after a while, no Pis so save Obi wan this time. Yoda then comes and stomps Maul.

Scenario 2: They stomp him both them could give Maul trouble by themselves together they stomp him.

Agreed.

I stand by the above. When Savage Opress was being handled as a stand-in for Episode I Maul(during season 3 of TCW), he was going head-to-head with the combined force of late-CW Obi-Wan & Anakin. Here we have prime (TPM) Maul against a somewhat weaker duo, there's no question. Maul overmatches them every time.

Against the ROTS duo, however, he loses badly. While prime (TPM) Maul is slightly superior to either Jedi on an individual basis, he can't come close to facing off against both simultaneously. They thrash.

As for CW or Rebels Maul, against the AOTC duo, he would be hardpressed to overcome either fighter on an individual basis. Obi-Wan has a solid chance of soloing. Either Anakin or Obi-Wan during Episode III would easily defeat him.

Any version of Maul loses very quickly to Yoda.

In round 1 Maul will probably still be fighting the duo once Yoda arrives at which point he either flees or gets decimated. In round 2 Maul probably dies in seconds once the two get serious-not only do they have great teamwork, Obi-Wan individually is at least around Maul's level and Anakin is blatantly above him.

Round 1: Maul should win easily, but he's a huge jobber. I'm going to give this to Maul anyways.

Round 2: What in the world makes you think this was a good idea?! Either of the Jedi beats him with one hand tied behind their back. Maul gets cut to ribbons.

Maul could win round 1 but Yoda would show up quickly enough to finish them off

He gets flattened round 2

bump.

Gets beaten by the duo then ragdolled by Yoda.

Scenario 1: Maul obliterates Anakin and beats Kenobi and either retreats or gets beaten by Yoda

Scenario 2: Anakin Solos

Yoda was holding Back in AOTC. Dooku wasn't his equal. TPM Maul doesn't beat Yoda , as a Maul fan I'll be nice and say he could hold him off long enough to cause a distraction and retreat , barring that Yoda wins.

I think you'll find Sidious ragdolled both Savage and Maul when he fought them, and he wasn't even trying.

Maul is Kenobi's equal in TCW in my opinion, throwing Anakin in there makes it a clear win for the duo.

Yoda wasn't holding back, he knew how much it meant to capture/kill Dooku and was fully dedicated to doing so as it would most likely mean an end to the war.

Fine, I concede that Yoda wouldn't ragdoll him but he'd far outskill him and stomp him either way.

I never said that equals could ragdoll each other, Maul is certainly not Yoda's equal.

Maul and Kenobi are about equal, all of their fights ended in stalemates, the only time's he had to retreat are when it was a 2v1 with Maul and Savage and when he was blinded by rage when he was fighting alongside Ventress iirc.