Darth Maul (no lightsaber) vs Knights of Ren

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  • Maul replace Kylo Ren
  • Maul has no lightsaber

Who wins?

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Maul destroys with only H2H, no force powers needed.

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He doesn't have the h2h feats to beat them

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@ubercoffeetime: In legends he has plenty of H2H feats to say he stomps them, and even in cannon, he has easily disarmed and defeated pre vizsla with H2H. Pre vizsla being an established and trained mandalorian warrior, not to mention all of the physical strikes he uses in his lightsaber sequences. What you mean to say is that the Knights of Ren don't have the feats to last against him right?

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Maul goes down.

If Kylo couldn’t simply rag doll them all with the force, Maul can’t.

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@thebluedragon20:

He didn't beat Vizla with pure hand to hand, he wore him down in a length lightsaber duel and the trick he used on Vizla to disarm him involved abusing physicals and wouldn't work trying to fight 6 opponents at a time.

I don't read Legends so Idk his feats but canon only he's not winning.

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@ubercoffeetime: Maul lost hold of his lightsaber and was quick enough, and skilled enough to disarm Vizla, then proceeded to beat him down. It had nothing to do with physicals or exhaustion.

How fast are the knights of ren? I have not seen anything from them that shows that they can even keep up with maul, if they can't then he can easily defeat 6 of them at once.

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Maul’s TK is a joke compared to Ben’s, if they were gonna beat young Solo they can just kick Maul’s horny head in.

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@thebluedragon20:

How fast are the knights of ren? I have not seen anything from them that shows that they can even keep up with maul, if they can't then he can easily defeat 6 of them at once.

Maul has never been shown blitzing 6 well above average fodder...this is a moot point. Quite frankly, beating Kylo like that is enough to show they can keep up with Maul armed vs unarmed. Kylo in the recent comics also beat 3 Jedi without drawing his lightsaber, that's better than any unarmed feat Maul has.

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Kylo struggling against the knights of ren is complete and utter PIS. Maul stomps

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How fast are the knights of ren? I have not seen anything from them that shows that they can even keep up with maul, if they can't then he can easily defeat 6 of them at once.

Maul has never been shown blitzing 6 well above average fodder...this is a moot point. Quite frankly, beating Kylo like that is enough to show they can keep up with Maul armed vs unarmed. Kylo in the recent comics also beat 3 Jedi without drawing his lightsaber, that's better than any unarmed feat Maul has.

No but he has been shown to easily incapacitate over 5 average fodder, and easily subdue well above average fodder with pure H2H.

No really, because maul has skills that Kylo has not shown. This does not have to be a pure force battle. Maul has shown to be able to outmaneuver multiple opponents, defeat multiple opponents with only H2H, and use the force in intelligent and strategic ways. He may not have Kylos power, but he has more than enough feats to win this.

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#12  Edited By TheSpartanB345T

Maul.

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#13  Edited By Wolfrazer

@thebluedragon20: When in Canon has Maul used only H2H without having also his lightsaber in play? The only real H2H I recall from Maul was against Vizsla, but by that point the fight was over and it wasn't exactly H2H as it was more a disarming technique and Viszla didn't even fight back at that point.

I'm not recalling anything H2H wise only from Maul at length with another opponent that was also doing so.

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man we really gotta quit treating Kylo's force feats like they are the end all be all... a Pre Prime Vader has casually done all of Kylo's best feats far easier than he has and that's pre prime Vader.

tbh Maul probably wins this more often than not...

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If kylo couldn't do it maul can't. Kylo is at the very least TCW maul level seeing as he is above rey in dueling (they are equal in the force, however).

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Maul should be around Ben's level, so via powerscaling he loses this. Though you could argue if Maul has better physical strength and hand to hand prowess, and if he decides to use the force extremely aggressively he has a chance of winning.

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Withou lightsaber, Maul is defeated.

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#20  Edited By Wolfrazer

@thebluedragon20: Hm, alright now it's coming back to me. Although that fight with those thugs isn't exactly the best, they still got hits on him and he even got blinded by one of them. The thugs were being completely stupid to talk instead of just blasting him when they had the clear advantage.

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@wolfrazer: He also fought 5 pikes at once in one of the panels and defeated them all without drawing his saber or using the force. Do you honestly see him getting knocked around and unable to act like kylo was in that scene? because I just don't see him performing that poorly.

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@thebluedragon20: Yeah but those Pikes....don't look impressive honestly, the KoR look better both physically and having melee oriented weapons, plus the Force however rudimentary that is.

I'm not saying Maul can't win here, but I can't see it being too easy. Sure he has more H2H showing than Kylo, but I can't see him stomping with what he has given the opposition having more advantages compared to the goons Maul has fought in pure H2H.

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Maul loses but probably takes 2-3 of them with him. Definitely puts up a better fight than Ben, solely due to his H2H skills.

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Knights of Ren did even worse than the rubbish Praetorian guards. Kylo's improvement from 8 to 9 doesn't matter.

Maul stomps. He kills one within the first few seconds and takes the guy's weapon. The rest get demolished.

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Yes Kylo is stupid! Ripping off the weapon of the first Knight would be the most sensible move instead this idiot uses his TK to take down the Knight ... With these pathetic presentations it’s impossible to defend Ben Solo

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TPM Maul slaughters with h2h, or the Force. TCW Maul can pull it off with combination of h2h and metal leg abuse.

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Maul stomps

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Maul wins but I don’t think it’ll be “easily“.

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Maul is liable to do some pushes and maybe chokes, perhaps pulling a weapon to him at an opportune moment, but he'll never win this fight with TK alone.

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With mauls season 7, force feats, he should take it pretty decisively.

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Maul is already more powerful in the force than Rey and Ben combined. He soloed a wampa in h2h. Knights of Ren get bodied. My original post remains the same.

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Maul takes this easily. His S7 feats make it so and he has had decent H2H feats before then.

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Maul takes this easily. His S7 feats make it so and he has had decent H2H feats before then.

I agree. His S7 feats really show his creative usage of the force, which is a huge advantage for him when facing the KOR

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With mauls season 7, force feats, he should take it pretty decisively.

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The KOR where not that impressive. The idea sounded cool but turned out to be crap

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Legends Maul would anhilate all 6 barehanded with zero difficulty. Force would be overkill

Canon Maul wouldn’t have as large of an advantage, and would fall prey to numbers in a pure H2H scenario. However, once Maul busts out his TK, they gon die

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Maul stomps

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Maul ragdolls them all

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@chaos239 said:

Maul goes down.

If Kylo couldn’t simply rag doll them all with the force, Maul can’t.

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@uko said:
@chaos239 said:

Maul goes down.

If Kylo couldn’t simply rag doll them all with the force, Maul can’t.

Maul is more powerful than Kylo by a large margin so this is irrelevant.

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TPM Maul slaughters with h2h, or the Force. TCW Maul can pull it off with combination of h2h and metal leg abuse.

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@uko said:
@chaos239 said:

Maul goes down.

If Kylo couldn’t simply rag doll them all with the force, Maul can’t.

Maul is more powerful than Kylo by a large margin so this is irrelevant.

na kylo is more skilled and more powerful

not to mention he had better force usage

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@uko said:
@void_reborn said:
@uko said:
@chaos239 said:

Maul goes down.

If Kylo couldn’t simply rag doll them all with the force, Maul can’t.

Maul is more powerful than Kylo by a large margin so this is irrelevant.

na kylo is more skilled and more powerful

not to mention he had better force usage

Not true. Kylo's best usage of the force is just freezing people and blaster bolts. Maul can use force scream, choke, TP, manipulate the direction of blaster bolts and has more powerful TK. Kylo is nowhere near as skilled as he is either.

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Maul kills them.

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Kylo is NOTHING compared to Maul in either canon or legends incarnation.

TCW Maul can EASILY punch them to death. He is the Zabrak champion which alone makes him one of the most agile and strong force users

Maul without the force- Clear Victory

Maul with the force- CURBSTOMPAGE

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The Knights of Ren are stated to be prime material for being run of the mill Inquisitors. Maul was handily beating the 5th Brother, 8th Brother and 7th Sister on level ground (when they didn't have a chance to regroup, learn about their adversary and plan ahead) in saber combat and was stomping them with the Force.

As a Banite Sith, Maul is far better trained, far more powerful, and far more ruthless. Even without a saber, he slaughters them.

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Maul pummels.