Darth Maul, Darth Vader vs Snoke, Rey, Kylo, Luke, Finn, Chewbacca, Praetorian Guard (Canon)

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It's not simply a matter of who has the greatest feats, as no where would that factor that Vader is weak to force lightning. Vader goes down to Snoke's force lightning and Snoke has force telekinesis feats similar to Palpatine so should, under the right circumstances, be able to do something like

It all rests upon how close Maul and Vader can get. If they can't get close Snoke does his 'force lightning coming upwards from the ground trick' on Vader so that Vader can't block it and gets fried and proceeds to do something like the above on Maul.

I'm not saying Snoke solos, I'm saying that Snoke could solo. He has likely studied Vader for decades and has the most effective force ability against Vader at his disposal(a seemingly unavoidable force lightning)

Vader took punishment from Palpatine's lightning and his suit absorbs shocks (Palpatine is an exception because he's that powerful). Snoke isn't stomping Vader unless he has shown he can mass-spam lightning like Palpatine, as which we only saw him shot once through his fingertips. The one in bold is speculation at finest, so you can't automatically attribute Palpatine's feats to Snoke's. I haven't seen him pull down a freighter or do anything near Palpatine's level of skill. We can assume, but it can't be proven by official sources.

Force lightning is blockable from the ground. Otherwise, Mace would be fried the moment Palpatine shot lightning up at him. Of course, you can argue it will "spread" to Vader's systems through conductivity, and even so, it grants him enough time (similiar to the Emperor's) to get into melee or simply use the AT-AT feat above. Weaker opponents like Savage Opress have resisted Dooku's lightning (which can do more damage to Nightsisters than Snoke's does to Kylo Ren) and Maul is above him. Both are enchanted by Mother Talzin to suggest their augmentation. Maul is more resilient to lightning than Vader, and his ability to pull down a freighter single handed while running away from pirates supersedes that Rey and Ren did for a while.

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Team 1 wins.

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People seem to forget that prime maul killed Jedi Master, while all Snoke did was ragdoll some complete amateurs .

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#54  Edited By Erkan12

@toni112: Titles means a little, Jocasta was a Jedi Master and Anakin was not, but if you're talking about Qui-Gon then yes, he was one of the best duelists of the Jedi Order and that order was the prime of the Jedi as Luke said in TLJ.

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@toni112 said:

all Snoke did was ragdoll some complete amateurs .

One of those "amateurs" was named as one of the "most powerful combatants" in Star Wars history and was able to knock out Luke temporarily and slaughter his students. Not to mention is of the Skywalker bloodline.

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Team two obviously stomp. Either Snoke or Luke can solo.

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Not seeing how team two doesn't win this...

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#59  Edited By Dawn_of_Ages

@lubub55 said:

Either Snoke or Luke can solo.

Yeah, let's look at their greatest combat feats

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Maul and vader should win only struggling against luke. Rey, kylo, snoke and the praetorian guard get stomped. Lukes only feats in the new films include drinking milk, moping around an island, and as a ghost dodging kylo ren.

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TLJ luke? Maul and vader take it.

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I feel like by narrative inference and hype, Luke should keep Vader and Maul from winning and even put up a decent showing solo, but by feats, Vader and Maul smash.

Canon Vader is straight unmatchable by anyone not named Palpatine or Yoda.

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Within the first second, Vader ragdolls everybody opposing him but Luke, Luke ragdolls maul. Then Luke takes it in a good fight.

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Everyone is forgetting about Chewbacca.. if lightsaber characters on team 2 can keep team 1 distracted, Chewie could flank them with his bowcaster.

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Vader could honestly solo.

TLJ Luke is either an old man without the force or a statement fuelled let down who’s only feat is magic suicide.

So Snoke, Rey and Kylo are the only factors.

Snoke managed to ragdoll Rey, who has no feats of showing she knows how to competently use the force outside of 2 mind trick and lifting things.

Even then, Vader has better TK feats than Rey anyway thanks to comics, Rebels and Fallen Order.

Heck, given the sheer scale and range FO Vader (Who’s massively pre prime) showed, I honestly think he could rag doll everyone here outside of maybe Snoke and Luke.

Ben has nothing going for him other than scaling to Rey, which ain’t much.

So Vader mass ragdolls everyone here and shows them a real Sith Lord.

Maul cheers from the sidelines.

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By feats team 1. But by logic I think numbers and Luke give tlj team the victory.

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Snoke potentially solos. He has in and out of universe statements putting him on par with Sidious in power and knowledge of the dark side.

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Tough But Vader and Maul