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#1 Posted by Shroomeater (3 posts) - - Show Bio

Never made a battle before, bear with me.

What If maul and obi wan teamed up and dueled the emperor?

Rots obi wan and clone wars maul vs rots sheev, takes place by the lake on naboo

Couldn't find this anywhere so I made it

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#2 Posted by Discipulus (1336 posts) - - Show Bio

Sidious definitely wins.

PS: Welcome to the forum!

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#3 Posted by Geistalt (1227 posts) - - Show Bio

If he can't get the better of them in sabers, he'll just ragdoll 'em.

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#4 Posted by Subbat321 (164 posts) - - Show Bio

Palpatine

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#5 Posted by AlexTheBoss (8544 posts) - - Show Bio

@geistalt said:

If he can't get the better of them in sabers, he'll just ragdoll 'em.

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#6 Posted by Scotsman (65 posts) - - Show Bio

Stomp in favor of Palpatine.

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#7 Edited by Wewlad80 (3062 posts) - - Show Bio

Happens like the Savage and Maul fight but Palpatine tries a little harder and laughs a little more.

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#8 Edited by Necromancer76 (1206 posts) - - Show Bio

Welcome to the forums! I'm still kinda new too haha.

But yes, Sidious pretty much stomps almost everybody.

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#9 Posted by bowlt_swagg_320 (1372 posts) - - Show Bio

Sidious

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#10 Posted by wholewheat (68 posts) - - Show Bio

Sidious might not always win sabers, definitely wins all out because he one shots Obi with force push. If this were Rebels Ben and Maul it would be closer.

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#11 Posted by Frankenmidget (1154 posts) - - Show Bio

Sidious stomps.

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#12 Posted by Cosmic_Templar (2570 posts) - - Show Bio

Sidious with ease.

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#13 Posted by ShootingNova (25432 posts) - - Show Bio

The Emperor would humiliate them whether in saber combat or with the Force.

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#14 Edited by Azronger (2356 posts) - - Show Bio

Palpatine blinks; team dies.

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#15 Posted by Richard96 (1522 posts) - - Show Bio

Obi wan gets one-shotted and maul has just the time to call the coroner

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#16 Posted by Tohoma (2065 posts) - - Show Bio

Paps takes this.

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#17 Posted by Royal_Warrior (3002 posts) - - Show Bio

People who think Sidious one shots either have no clue about SW tbh

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#18 Edited by RadioactiveHaggis (847 posts) - - Show Bio

Sid shanks with extreme ease.

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#19 Edited by Richard96 (1522 posts) - - Show Bio

@royal_warrior:

Dooku ragdolled rots Obi , sidius > Dooku , Obi gets immediately taken out

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#20 Posted by thesithmaster (1300 posts) - - Show Bio

Jesus Christ... this isn't a battle. It's a suicide mission. Kenobi is fodder, he got ragdolled by Maul and Dooku who are <<Sidious. Maul can last twenty seconds against Sidious, then he dies. Lightsabers ONLY is one thing, which I'd be happy to talk about, but no. Sidious 10/10, due to taking Kenobi out immediately and leaving Maul by himself.

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#21 Posted by Royal_Warrior (3002 posts) - - Show Bio

@richard96: Ermm are you being serious or just trying to bait? Dooku only managed to get that TK blast off due to Kenobi being distracted by both Sidious and the battle droids as stated in the ROTS novel which is canon lastly it had to happen for plot sake, quite funny that Dooku never managed to do that before to weaker versions of Kenobi

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#22 Posted by Richard96 (1522 posts) - - Show Bio

@royal_warrior: kenobi distracted by sidius and the droids ?! Ahaha ! He had just destroyed the droids and was trying to hit Dooku with the saber . Dooku simply parried his blow and used the force on him while kenobi was focused only on Dooku . I remember that obi always fight Dooku with anakin 's help . Dooku never had to ragdoll Obi , he could beat him with ease with the saber in a solo fight

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#23 Posted by Rusti (131 posts) - - Show Bio

Sidious easily.

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#24 Posted by LordOfTheLight (1265 posts) - - Show Bio

@richard96

That happened when Obi Wan's defenses were down. He himself admits that he didn't defend against the attack.

Sidious stomps.

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#26 Edited by Erkan12 (5489 posts) - - Show Bio

Sidious wins, however he can't humiliate them in a pure saber combat. In fact, the team can win a couple of rounds in a pure saber round.

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#27 Posted by LordOfTheLight (1265 posts) - - Show Bio

@richard96

He didn't see the attack coming and didn't defend against it because he was caught unawares. It is outright stated from his perspective.

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#29 Posted by LordOfTheLight (1265 posts) - - Show Bio

@richard96

Count Dooku half-turned and raised a hand. A rush of dark power lifted Obi-Wan off his feet and choked the air from his lungs. He reached for the Force to counter Dooku, but the attack had been too sudden.

Credit: Revenge of the Sith Junior Novelization

By the time he even attempted to counter Dooku, the attack was done and dusted.

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#30 Edited by AmethystGravity (1734 posts) - - Show Bio

Sidious one-shots with the force or stomps in sabers. Or both, for the giggles.

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#31 Posted by wholewheat (68 posts) - - Show Bio

Sidious shits, but only wins 8/10 sabers only. If it were rebels Ben and maul, it would be much closer.

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#32 Posted by Wewlad80 (3062 posts) - - Show Bio

Sidious Destroys them 10/10 The Only difference is Between how long they survive depending on if Palpatine feels like Trolling them in Sabres for awhile.

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#33 Edited by WollfMyth209 (11599 posts) - - Show Bio

The idea that these two, even collectively, can approach Sidious in any concievable way is absolutely lolworthy.

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#34 Posted by Richard96 (1522 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofthelight: but Obi however tried to use to force to counter , but Dooku was too powerful and he didn't manage to break his TK

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#35 Posted by noobsnowman (2733 posts) - - Show Bio

Sidious deletes them.

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#36 Edited by LordOfTheLight (1265 posts) - - Show Bio

@richard96

Read the line again. He tried to counter only after Dooku's attack had already been made. Dooku scored the hit because he was faster than Obi Wan. It is explicitly stated that he couldn't counter because the attack was too sudden, not because of a power difference. By the time Obi Wan "reached into the force", the attack was already done.

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#37 Posted by anakon4 (147 posts) - - Show Bio

Sidious chokes each of them with one hand to death.

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#38 Posted by Richard96 (1522 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofthelight: but even if the attack was already done , why couldn't Obi break himself free from Dooku 's force grab while he was kicking anakin? He had the time . Not to mention that Obi was ragdolled 3 o 4 times by maul , who is < Dooku

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#39 Posted by LordOfTheLight (1265 posts) - - Show Bio

@richard96

Because in order to defend yourself from choke, or any other telekinetic attack, you have to stop the attack immediately as it comes. I think it is obvious, that completely wrenching yourself free from when your throat is already being choked, the opponent having a firm and you are seeing stars, is much, much more difficult than just stopping the attack as it comes, which because he was caught off guard, Obi Wan couldn't do. That is the method of defense, or else you have to be much more powerful than your opponent or have the required mastery, which is not the case here.

Not to mention that Obi was ragdolled 3 o 4 times by maul

So? Obi Wan has also force gripped and swirled Maul around and incapacitated him for 6 or so seconds in one of their fights, and he has blasted back both Maul and Opress once. That isn't exclusive to him. Not to mention, all of this when Obi Wan is largely pre-prime.

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#40 Posted by Richard96 (1522 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofthelight:

Maul has demonstrated to be kenobi superior in the force and it was middle CW Obi, who is < rots but not of a large amount . Dooku > Maul . Dooku is > kenobi and it is not close .

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#41 Posted by ShootingNova (25432 posts) - - Show Bio

Count Dooku half-turned and raised a hand. A rush of dark power lifted Obi-Wan off his feet and choked the air from his lungs. He reached for the Force to counter Dooku, but the attack had been too sudden.

Credit: Revenge of the Sith Junior Novelization

By the time he even attempted to counter Dooku, the attack was done and dusted.

This isn't Canon, and even in Legends, it's questionable because there's different depictions of this scene across the varying forms of RotS.

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#42 Edited by kbroskywalker (11774 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofthelight:

Kenobi never "blasted back" maul+oppress, he "shoved them aside". And Kenobi pushing(he never spun maul via use of the force) maul with his back turned isn;t remotely comparable to maul lifting kenobi or maul choking kenobi. And it has nothing to do with inherent lapses in either's defenses. If Maul's showings weren't with external aid, they'd have to be taken at face value.

And Maul tking Kenobi when amped or when kenobi had his defenses down due to an injury or when he was facing another opponent isn't remotely the same as dooku choking out kenobi by virtue of his own superior speed

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#43 Posted by omnipotence88 (1054 posts) - - Show Bio

Its a good thing this isn't rebels Maul as he was recently fodderized.

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#44 Posted by DirtyTree333 (809 posts) - - Show Bio

Is Sidious bloodlusted or not taking the duo seriously?

He still wins under both conditions, but the latter could mean Sidious struggles with the lightsaber duel.

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#46 Posted by LordOfTheLight (1265 posts) - - Show Bio

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Kenobi never "blasted back" maul+oppress, he "shoved them aside". And Kenobi pushing(he never spun maul via use of the force) maul with his back turned isn;t remotely comparable to maul lifting kenobi or maul choking kenobi. And it has nothing to do with inherent lapses in either's defenses. If Maul's showings weren't with external aid, they'd have to be taken at face value.

Maul's back wasn't turned. He was straight up facing Obi Wan. And you are wrong. Watch the video carefully. Obi Wan held him in a grip, and twirled him around legitimately. His hand was moving in circular gestures as he spun Maul around and deposited him into the crates.

As for Maul lifting him, Obi Wan's back was actually turned, and he was focused on beating down Savage. And what did that thing do? Last I checked, even on being slammed into the wall, he managed to get up and resume fighting as if nothing happened.

Have you ever bothered to notice how force pushes in the TCW show are depicted? Filoni messes up with continuity of SW every where, and force attacks are no exception. If an attack comes, you have to gesture to stop it, actively. There is no such thing as a cocoon of force energy protecting you always in TCW. You gesture, and make an active counter or else you are sent flying.

Or else, scratch your head trying to explain the difference between, when in the very same fight, Ventress makes a casual single handed gesture and Anakin goes flying. And later, when Ventress uses considerable more force and a two handed full force blow, Anakin is just staggered a few steps backwards. Do you know what is the difference between these two instances? Anakin actively gestured in the second instance to defend himself against Ventress, and the difference it makes is abundantly clear for you to see.

And Maul tking Kenobi when amped or when kenobi had his defenses down due to an injury or when he was facing another opponent isn't remotely the same as dooku choking out kenobi by virtue of his own superior speed

So? How is it different from what I said?

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#47 Posted by LordOfTheLight (1265 posts) - - Show Bio

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This isn't Canon, and even in Legends, it's questionable because there's different depictions of this scene across the varying forms of RotS.

In Legends it should hold true. The reason is because, no other source, that I am aware of offers the fight from Obi Wan's point of view, where we see what happened from his perspective. Other sources either offer a brief summary, a narrator's perspective on the situation, or Dooku's or someone else's. So, I don't see a contradiction and in fact, this adds depth to the fight narration the likes of which you didn't get in the main novel.

As for different depiction, the fight is a lot closer to the movie than the fight in the main novel. In fact, apart from the skeletal outlines of what happened in the movie, the fight in the main novel is as vastly different from the movie fight as can be. If you want to look at it in terms of closeness to the movie fight, the junior novel beats the main novel by a country mile. In fact, the choking scene isn't even there in the main novel.

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#48 Posted by kbroskywalker (11774 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofthelight:

1. First off rewatching the video, all kenobi does is just slightly turn him exploiting that

A. Maul was already in full swing And was already turning due to his missed strike and his momentum was starting to spin itself

B. That Maul wasn't facing Kenobi

Setting aside external circumstances (which I've ackowldged and argued for in detail) to argue that the degree of kenobi's use of tk vs maul is remotely comparable to what tcw maul did to kenobi is ridiculous. Slightly turning someone =/ lifting them and force shoving people =/ force blasting or ragdolling them

2. Second off I'm well aware kenobi's guard was down. My point is that in the context of a 1 v 1 duel, the only reason maul's showings can be dismissed is because of the external circumstances, not because of force users have lapses so uses of the force don't mean anything. If Kneobi was facing maul and wasn't also dealing with oppress, you'd have to take maul lifting him and turning him at face value. Especially when you consider that kenobi is shown in tcw as faster than maul. The only reason we don't have to was because kenobi was not facing maul and was also dealing with oppress.

3. Because it doesn't matter if his defenses were down, if dooku is fast enough to bypass his defenses, thats that. And its perfectly valid for richard to use that logic when you consider sidious is way faster than dooku

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#49 Posted by Greysentinel365 (1379 posts) - - Show Bio

Can people stop using double standards please.

Either people have passive barriers that are always up in combat or they don't. Don't apply it inconsistently to suit your narrative.

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#50 Posted by ShootingNova (25432 posts) - - Show Bio

In Legends it should hold true. The reason is because, no other source, that I am aware of offers the fight from Obi Wan's point of view, where we see what happened from his perspective. Other sources either offer a brief summary, a narrator's perspective on the situation, or Dooku's or someone else's. So, I don't see a contradiction and in fact, this adds depth to the fight narration the likes of which you didn't get in the main novel.

As for different depiction, the fight is a lot closer to the movie than the fight in the main novel. In fact, apart from the skeletal outlines of what happened in the movie, the fight in the main novel is as vastly different from the movie fight as can be. If you want to look at it in terms of closeness to the movie fight, the junior novel beats the main novel by a country mile. In fact, the choking scene isn't even there in the main novel.

I made no comparison to the adult novel at all. I'm aware that this is closer to the film than the adult novel, but this is Legends, not Canon. Closeness to the films isn't exactly relevant anymore. All of the different incarnations of RotS should hold roughly equal weighting (unless you credit the main novel with more because of Lucas' involvement in it).

Regardless, this is an instance where there appears to be a difference between film and the junior novel (the other being Anakin and Dooku dueling evenly down the length of the hall). Unlike in the film, the way the junior novel depicts it seems to be that Obi-Wan cuts down the droids and approaches Dooku, who suddenly turns and Chokes Obi-Wan in a surprise move before Kenobi can get to him. This is contrasted by the film, where Obi-Wan reaches the Count and clashes blades with him before being Choked, which leaves little room for him getting caught off guard.

Slight deviation from the discussion here, but that line in the junior novel definitely does not rule out Dooku choking Obi-Wan on merit of power. For one, as you claim, the quote simply states that Obi-Wan's effort to reach into the Force for a counter to the Choke was in vain since it already happened; in no way does this prove that Obi-Wan would have been successful in countering the choke if he had timed his defence correctly. Secondly, Dooku's simultaneous kick on Anakin was clearly bolstered by a great deal of augmentation (otherwise there's no way Anakin would've gone flying so far or hard), and both the adult novel and junior novel itself seem to imply this. Regardless, my point is that if Dooku is capable of expending power on a physical boost like that, it stands to reason that he wasn't even using his full power on Obi-Wan.