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#1 Posted by Smoke-W (402 posts) - - Show Bio

KOTOR I Malak. KOTOR II Exile.

Standard gear, all abilities allowed, they are fighting all out, and the fight is to the death. The fight takes place in the Jedi Temple

Who wins and why?

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#3 Posted by Snake-White (774 posts) - - Show Bio

Beating a amped traya after taking down hordes of amped sith>>>losing to a massively pre prime revan while amped and tiring him out with hordes of amped sith

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#4 Posted by WollfMyth209 (16187 posts) - - Show Bio

The Exile.

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#5 Posted by nfactor1995 (12827 posts) - - Show Bio

Malak

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#6 Edited by decaf_wizard (16826 posts) - - Show Bio

Exile with mid difficulty

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#7 Posted by Necromancer76 (3769 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably Exile.

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#8 Posted by GeorgeWBush (11550 posts) - - Show Bio

Feats for Malak that beat killing featless Sith?

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#9 Posted by kbroskywalker (13404 posts) - - Show Bio

Feats for Malak that beat killing featless Sith?

How about getting oneshotted by a non force sentitive?

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#10 Posted by anakon4 (438 posts) - - Show Bio

Malak with medium difficulty.

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#12 Posted by echostarlord117 (5546 posts) - - Show Bio

Tbh I could see this going either way. Star Forge Malak would win though

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#13 Posted by darthbane77 (2106 posts) - - Show Bio

Malak

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#14 Posted by AmethystGravity (2286 posts) - - Show Bio

The Jedi Exile should win. As people have noted earlier, her feats on Malachor seem far better than Malak, especially since I think Traya is also greater than Malak.

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#15 Posted by Pharoh_Atem (44275 posts) - - Show Bio

ehhh....umm, not too sure, tbh.

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#16 Posted by nfactor1995 (12827 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait, is this not SF Malak?

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#17 Edited by Kiadi-Monday (298 posts) - - Show Bio

Malak. He and Revan were said to be at the "forefront" of the Mandalorian Wars. A war that the Exile took part in. So factually, Malak was her superior at that point. And I see no reason why the Exile would have surpassed him later. She killed some hordes of low-level Sith and drained their energy in the process, but that would surely be nothing in comparison to Malak drawing power from a space station which was pumping out fleets and was powered by a star, for several months after his Master's death. Malak would have also acquired a large trove of Sith teachings in his travels with Revan, and greater knowledge tends to coincide with power growth (for example, Dooku became more powerful after extracting teachings from Darth Andeddu's holocron, IIRC).

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#18 Posted by ShootingNova (25691 posts) - - Show Bio

SF or not, the Exile wins. It wouldn't be easy, but I'm not seeing any reason to hand it to Malak.

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#19 Posted by Slayedigneel (1920 posts) - - Show Bio

Giving Kotor Revan a Highly difficult fight, is more impressive than defeating Kreia.

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#20 Edited by ShootingNova (25691 posts) - - Show Bio

@slayedigneel: It is if you completely ignore the circumstances involved in both showings, yeah. Also, it's worth noting that the only source for Malak giving Revan a highly difficult fight is Drew Karpyshyn's unofficial opinion.

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#21 Posted by Slayedigneel (1920 posts) - - Show Bio

@shootingnova: Traya was weaker than Darth Revan, who was surpassed by Kotor Revan. Leviathan Revan has feats comparable to end game Meetra.(Slaughtering hundreds of sith) Malak managed to incapacitate both him, and Bastila/Carth. Drew has an influence on Revan's cannon so I don't see why we can't take it at face value.

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#22 Edited by ShootingNova (25691 posts) - - Show Bio

@slayedigneel: Malak is weaker than Darth Revan as well, hence his servitude and loss when they fought in single combat.

Just where has Leviathan Revan shown comparable feats to Meetra's Malachor slaughter?

Malak never incapacitated both him and Bastila/Carth. It was always one or the other. When he incapacitated the latter duo, he fought and ran from Revan before deciding to place him in Stasis, and upon doing so, Bastila and Carth broke free instantly. Malak clearly could not maintain a Stasis field over all three of them at once.

I'm not saying Drew's opinion is invalid, just that it's unofficial and thus not canonically binding. You can argue in favor of it's validity, but you can't pass it off as a fact. I'm just noting that — I'm not necessarily accusing you of it.

And remember that Malak isn't on the SF here, so his feat of fighting Revan isn't even applicable.

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#23 Edited by Slayedigneel (1920 posts) - - Show Bio

@shootingnova:

Malak is weaker than Darth Revan as well, hence his servitude and loss when they fought in single combat.

Malak on the starforge was more or less comparable to Darth Revan, considering it was only a matter of time before he surpassed Kotor Revan. Via the starforge.

Just where has Leviathan Revan shown comparable feats to Meetra's Malachor slaughter?

The slaughter on Korriban.(asides from Traya's fight)

Malak never incapacitated both him and Bastila/Carth. It was always one or the other. When he incapacitated the latter duo, he fought and ran from Revan before deciding to place him in Stasis, and upon doing so, Bastila and Carth broke free instantly. Malak clearly could not maintain a Stasis field over all three of them at once.

Sorry I should've been more clear with my wording, I meant one or the other.

Anyway Traya has no scaling that would suggest she is >Ajunta pall.

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#24 Posted by Richard96 (5632 posts) - - Show Bio

Boh I think in an only saber fight malak wins . He is stated to be better than revan . In an all out fight . I don't know

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#25 Edited by ShootingNova (25691 posts) - - Show Bio

@slayedigneel:

Malak on the starforge was more or less comparable to Darth Revan, considering it was only a matter of time before he surpassed Kotor Revan. Via the starforge.

Which means he still hadn't surpassed Revan, so your point is completely invalid. And again, Malak isn't even on the Star Forge in this fight.

The slaughter on Korriban.(asides from Traya's fight)

I don't know how slaughtering students (a number of whom may not have even earned the rank of Sith yet) compares to slaughtering a legion of the strongest Sith, including some that have survived over ten encounters with Force users.

Not to mention the Traya fight is the premier aspect of the Exile's run on Malachor V. Revan not replicating it means he doesn't have a showing comparable to the Exile's...

Sorry I should've been more clear with my wording, I meant one or the other.

Right, but Leviathan Revan has hardly any notable Force feats that makes Malak's domination of him a showing above Traya's calibre. And dueling-wise, Malak never showed superiority to Revan on the Leviathan. So we're back to square one.

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#26 Edited by Greysentinel365 (5983 posts) - - Show Bio

If you want to take Drew's word on Malak being a superior duelist to Revan you should take his word that Meetra is a better duelist than Reborn Revan

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#27 Edited by Geistalt (1263 posts) - - Show Bio

Could go either way.

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#28 Posted by SithRevenant (993 posts) - - Show Bio

The Exile 10/10

Revan gave Meetra just over half of his fleet due to her strategies and potential. Directly over Alek.

Revan Reborn states that Meetra-on a Dark Side Nexus at the time-far surpassed that potential and had faced things even he wouldn't.

Drew states that Meetra > Revan Reborn in dueling skill as of the novel, whereas Malak was only superior to KotOR Revan as a duelist. Revan Reborn would have regained the skill he defeated Darth Malak with as Darth Revan.

Canderous states that he thought Revan was the only combatant of his kind but changes his mind and states the Exile is like Revan.

The Exile is also confirmed to surpass Traya.

Lord Scourge groups a hindered Meetra in with the Hero of Tython and Revan as the greatest Jedi he's ever known.

No contest really.

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#30 Posted by the_wspanialy (3902 posts) - - Show Bio

Not sure. Propably Malak though.