@lamlam:
No one is overblowing anything. I'm simply pointing out that the terrain advantage was a big part of what allowed Krayt to do as well. That's a fact.
Proof that it was a "big part", and you don't need to throw more quotes at me from the novel - I've read the fight. Kenobi says that he finds the fight more difficult than he usually would because Hett is on-sand. Tell me why the difficulty extends to the point where, as you've said, the sand is essentially the sole reason Hett did as well as he did.
Solid advantage? He hit Kenobi twice whereas Kenobi hit him once. Hardly a big difference, especially since none of the strikes were of considerable importance.
He clearly had the upper hand the first half or so of the fight. Then Kenobi trades a kick back, showing the fight isn't completely one sided. This doesn't help disprove the notion that Hett did very well for himself.
Good thing that Vader is more physically powerful than Kenobi, then.
Have no idea what this has to do with Krayt being well before his prime, but cool.
Older? Sure. Weaker and less skilled? Do you have any proof of that?
The fact alone that Ben two years after RotS was showing signs of physical (noting that Hett being younger than him was an advantage, and requiring to keep his reflexes sharp) and skill-based (being out-of-practice outside of the odd skirmish on Tatooine) deterioration in his fight with Hett is enough to suggest that by ANH (17 years later) he would have deteriorated a lot further.
Also, Nova provided sources for speed and skill, so there's that.
He made healthy use of his lightsaber after several years without using it. His situation is pretty much the same as Kenobi's, who you claim lost skill between his fight with Krayt and his fight with Vader.
Not really. IIRC it's stated that since the clone wars Krayt had killed "hundreds" of opponents". And Krayt was just more combat-active than Ben, who became a hermit, essentially.
Not really. Force mastery and lightsaber skill are two different things.
Indeed, but generally as one's power increases drastically, as does their Force augmentative ability the same way telekinesis would. Force augmentation is a power like any other, and if you're good at it, an increase in power should aid your ability to augment yourself. Obviously this isn't the case for everyone, but it is the case for many beings, including Dooku who you reference later - as a Sith, thanks to his reserves, he was in better shape than men half his age, and had enough reserves to hold off both Anakin and Obi-Wan at the same time for extended periods. I doubt Jedi Dooku shares this ability. Another example is Jason Fry telling us that as Darth Maul became a lot more powerful during The Lawless, since sparring Palpatine pre-TPM. After being asked "powerful in what ways", he concluded that the quote covers power, every physical area, and even lightsaber skill. Obviously I'm not throwing all of my stock into this quote, but it's better than your case.
And then there are plenty of other examples. Anakin's augmentation increased as his ability to command the Force increased - same with every Jedi during the Clone Wars who we have a good gauge of at their lowest and highest, really.
Krayt used a lot of time mastering various aspects of the Force, not practicing with a lightsaber.
He clearly had a lot of opponents to practice against.
The idea that more power raised him as a swordsman just like that is absurd.
The idea that you can take more complicated aspects of my argument and simplify them enough to make them look absurd, is absurd. I said that with power increases, comes augmentation increases, and your speed - how fast you swing a lightsaber - your strength - how strong your lightsaber strokes are - ect, ties in directly with ability to wield a lightsaber in combat.
Really? Dooku got more powerful as a Sith, not more skilled.
I could easily use your argument that "he spent more time learning new powers", however, it's easier to point out that Dooku is just a bad example. He was already an amazing lightsaber duelist as a Jedi, second only to Yoda and being Mace's equal. Any increase in skill at that point wouldn't have been noticeable.
Maul got more powerful by TCW, not more skilled.
My argument wasn't even that power = skill, it was power more often than not contributes to augmentation, which ties in directly with how well you wield a lightsaber. Another poor example, as well, because Maul was out-of-combat for twelve years, therefore he didn't even have the opportunity to increase in skill significantly.
Sidious got more powerful by Rebellion, not more skilled.
Sidious barely used a lightsaber during that time period, and actually did devote most of his time to increasing and developing his power opposed to augmentation and skill, so that is also a poor example to use.
Your notion that Krayt got more skilled is unsupported and makes no sense.
Not really. As beings increase in power, alongside seeing healthy amounts of combat, their skill also tends to increase. This can be said of Obi-Wan himself. During TPM, where he evidently had some room for improvement on every front, he fought through the Clone Wars and did improve. Which is why I'm saying that upon Hett receiving a gargantuan boost in power (which relates to augmentation before you get upset about a possible correlation to raw skill), training many beings in the art of lightsaber combat, fought many formidable opponents such as Cade, the Imperial Knights and probably more, and killed "hundreds of opponents" (I'll get the quote for you soon), him increasing in skill isn't reaching at all. It's just what happens. When you have room to improve on every front, and you see extensive combat and hone your Force powers, your abilities tend to increase across the board.
There is no process in shoving someone with the Force. Kenobi's lightsaber cut the arm off as Hett flew back through the air, not as he was shoving him. So no, it happened after.
Nitpicking my use of the word "process", I see.
Look, I'm not doing this back and forth, here's the excerpt for you again. Underlined the important parts.
Quickly raising his left hand, Ben used the Force to push out at Hett, shoving him back through the air as Ben's lightsaber swept up and through Hett's right arm.
Hett was being shoved through the air, at the same time as Kenobi's lightsaber started and finished the process of cutting Hett's arm off. So Hett was being affected by telekinesis just before his arm was removed. So, not a defeat by virtue of skill.
How about Kenobi outright attesting as much?
Can I have a quote from Kenobi saying that the sole reason Hett was doing so well was because of these two proud warriors having to endure standing on a bit of sand?
When Ben muses that he wasn't having an easy time with Hett, he goes on to note the terrain advantage that Hett has.
Indeed he does! And indeed Hett had the environmental edge. I'm just asking for proof that this edge completely mitigates any, or the majority of, the skill on Hett's part for the feat. Because I'm of the mind that Kenobi isn't so useless that he'd begin losing to someone just because they're on sand and for no other reason.
Krayt being better physically than Kenobi just two years after RotS
Proof?
Kenobi stating that Hett being younger than him was an edge.
That I don't like Krayt is irrelevant, but feel free to pull up the bias card. Your rage is noted.
Well, it's not for the purpose of my argument. I'm just saying that I don't see the sense in actually providing a counter whenever you post such a one sided description of events, like this:
When you think about it, losing to an out-of-practice Kenobi with an edge in terrain isn't very impressive.
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Anyway, I'm just presenting the facts: that Krayt was aided against Kenobi
He was, but not by as great a deal as you want him to be, and he was also very far from his prime as a lightsaber combat by reasonable inference.
whereas Vader wasn't and Vader still did better.
Lol. Right, Ben Kenobi seventeen years later was exactly the same as he was when he fought Hett, despite living in a state that caused his lightsaber skill and physicality to decrease as time went on. You're honestly reaching and it's not difficult to see.
I don't give a sh*t if you don't like it because that's what the text makes clear.
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Your rage is noted.
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