Darth Krayt vs. ANH Darth Vader

Avatar image for georgewbush
GeorgeWBush

12637

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#1  Edited By GeorgeWBush

Hett vs. Cyborg man

Both Sith are bloodlusted

Battle 1 Takes place in the Tomb of Exar Kun

Battle 2 Takes place on flat neutral ground

No Caption Provided

No Caption Provided

vs.

Avatar image for deactivated-5dace575ce059
deactivated-5dace575ce059

17723

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

I feel vader both rounds would win.

Avatar image for spider_killer
Spider_Killer

71

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#4  Edited By Spider_Killer

Man I need to do more reading on some of these characters, i have no idea who darth kryat is. lol

but i will post to learn more about him and read other ppls opinions on this battle.

Avatar image for georgewbush
GeorgeWBush

12637

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@spider_killer: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/erkan12/blog/darth-krayt-respect-thread/100078/

Avatar image for okayalright_44
okayalright_44

1524

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Avatar image for thevivas
TheVivas

19904

Forum Posts

58564

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

#7  Edited By TheVivas

I'm gonna go with Krayt. Don't know why, just am.

Avatar image for spider_killer
Spider_Killer

71

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#8  Edited By Spider_Killer

Can you post some of vader's feats as well, I think Kryat may take it. But its close, i dont know how powerful some of the guys that are on kryats resume . I think it may boil down to the fact that kryat's force powers may be stronger than vader's. That being said he mastered lightning, so i think that is what will inevitably bring vader down.

Though I heard someone say that vader traveled to a planet(cant remember the name) because he thought obi wan was hiding there. And it turned out to be just a bunch of jedi and Vader killed them all. Which is very impressive for one person kill a bunch of jedi.

Avatar image for penderor
Penderor

5561

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

TFU Vader could lose. ANH is still very good.

Avatar image for okayalright_44
okayalright_44

1524

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Avatar image for shootingnova
ShootingNova

25691

Forum Posts

313

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

#11  Edited By ShootingNova

Probably Vader.

Avatar image for theendgame
theendgame

902

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#12  Edited By theendgame

Darth Krayt. Dude has cheated death numerous times and has insane tolerance for pain. His father was a Jedi master. Spent years in isolation training in ancient Sith teachings and emerged with the sole purpose of remaking the Sith order anew. Rivaling Darth Bane in force power. He was training himself to destroy Vader and the Emperor, but Luke got there first. He was eventually done in by his infected body and a few bouts with Luke's son at well over 100 years old.

Avatar image for shootingnova
ShootingNova

25691

Forum Posts

313

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

@theendgame: It wasn't Luke's son (that's Ben Skywalker), just a descendant. His father being a Jedi Master doesn't really matter, nor does his purpose or ability to cheat death.

Physically and skilfully speaking, Vader is his superior. Sheer telekinetic power is also in Vader's favor, and in the Clone Wars, he learnt a technique from Ulic Qel-Droma's spirit to resist Force Drain, which is one of Krayt's tools. Krayt's only edge is Lightning, and it is not enough for him to win a majority.

Avatar image for spider_killer
Spider_Killer

71

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@theendgame: It wasn't Luke's son (that's Ben Skywalker), just a descendant. His father being a Jedi Master doesn't really matter, nor does his purpose or ability to cheat death.

Physically and skilfully speaking, Vader is his superior. Sheer telekinetic power is also in Vader's favor, and in the Clone Wars, he learnt a technique from Ulic Qel-Droma's spirit to resist Force Drain, which is one of Krayt's tools. Krayt's only edge is Lightning, and it is not enough for him to win a majority.

Well since Kryat managed to master lightning technique couldnt that mortaly wound vader and potentially kill him? Just trying to argue devils advocate.

Avatar image for shootingnova
ShootingNova

25691

Forum Posts

313

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

@spider_killer: No, because Vader has resisted more potent Lightning bursts before.

Avatar image for i_like_swords
i_like_swords

26411

Forum Posts

2126

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

#16  Edited By i_like_swords

Well since Kryat managed to master lightning technique couldnt that mortaly wound vader and potentially kill him?

No Caption Provided

Avatar image for theendgame
theendgame

902

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@shootingnova: it was Cade Skywalker. Who and I believe Vader's superiority is limited to lightsaber skill. In fact he fought side by side with Anakin and they were about equal. Krayt knows a lot more about the ancient forms of Sith power that had been lost for thousands of years. He learned this when he escaped the Jedi purge, and found an ancient temple. He's got more versatility than sweet ass Lightning.

Avatar image for spider_killer
Spider_Killer

71

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#18  Edited By Spider_Killer

@shootingnova said:

@spider_killer: No, because Vader has resisted more potent Lightning bursts before.

Oh I didnt know that, from who? I was always thought that was one of his heels.

Lol is there a problem?

Avatar image for itsomething
itsomething

3065

Forum Posts

8

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

#19  Edited By itsomething

Hett with or without seed??

Avatar image for shootingnova
ShootingNova

25691

Forum Posts

313

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

@theendgame: Yes, and as I said, Cade Skywalker is not Ben Skywalker. Ben Skywalker is Luke's son, not Cade.

Krayt's versatility is irrelevant. His Drain is ineffective (Vader learnt Drain-resisting techniques from Ulic Qel-Droma's spirit during the Clone Wars) and his other powers, such as Dark Transfer and Shatterpoint, aren't really applicable in a fight. Vader is also versatile - and he has displayed some combat-applicable powers outside of telekinesis, such as Alter Environment, which he used to control winds.

Avatar image for erkan12
Erkan12

10096

Forum Posts

738

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

#21  Edited By Erkan12

I am going with Krayt on this one. I don't know what exactly means ANH or RotJ for Vader though. Vader doesn't have superior feats in ANH or RotJ. Vader's best fears are in Purge Era. He stalemated with old Ben Kenobi, defeated ESB Luke with some effort and finally lost to RotJ Luke.

They are comparable duelists. Krayt might be faster due to Vader's lack of mobility and agility. On the other hand, Vader should be stronger and durable than Krayt.

But Krayt's force lightning is a problem here. If Vader get one hit, it will affect him for a big deal, Vader has much better TK feats but I doubt he would break Krayt's force shield or he would just ragdoll him casually, he never did anything like that to a Krayt level telekinetic. As I said before, Krayt's force lightning is the game changer. Krayt wins a majority over Vader.

Avatar image for darthmanhunter
DarthManhunter

1509

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

While I agree with alot of that, Vader has resisted lightening before, I'm not sure how powerful Krayt's lightening is but its gotta be lower than Sidious'? but Vader has also deflected alot of lightening with a sabre as well iirc. So maybe he could get around it, but I'm not sure gotta read more about Krayt been far too long, I wanna side with Vader but man this is a tough one...

Avatar image for erkan12
Erkan12

10096

Forum Posts

738

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Avatar image for luckystrike
LuckyStrike

719

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

I have Cade as my avatar and I know nothing about Krayt or Cade

Avatar image for darthmanhunter
DarthManhunter

1509

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@erkan12: all thats said in that thread is he has no defense for it, I thought he has defended against with his Sabre and resisted lower level lightening bursts, I'm not saying your wrong by any means in fact I agree if he gets hit hard by lightening his life support system is in trouble, I just don't think Krayt's lightening is that strong in short bursts, which I could be completly wrong about because Ive been reading more about Plagueis and TCW era as of late. And cant recall much of Krayts lightening feats only his drain power which Vader can resist.

Again I'm not saying your wrong, in fact I agree, I'm trying to gauge Krayt's lightening strength, which if its near Dooku's then I would agree Vader is in trouble. I'm trying to find the right appearance of Krayt to see in the books.

Avatar image for darthmanhunter
DarthManhunter

1509

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@erkan12: Based on Star Wars Legacy books it looks like Krayts lightening is pretty darn powerful, so good luck to Vader lol. If he can somehow dodge it he'll pull out some wins but if he gets hit by it he's done for, in my opinion, Thanks man. Had to check it out.

Avatar image for erkan12
Erkan12

10096

Forum Posts

738

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Avatar image for theendgame
theendgame

902

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@shootingnova: After Anakin slaughtered the sand people for the grief he felt and then tried attacking Hett (later Krayt) and Hett disarmed the younger and less experienced Anakin.

There are holes in this argument admitted. But that's 1-0 Krayt.

Avatar image for shootingnova
ShootingNova

25691

Forum Posts

313

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

#29  Edited By ShootingNova

@theendgame: What does that have to do with anything? Vader is completely different to Anakin, and that one low showing doesn't give Krayt any edges.

If anything, in that period of time, Anakin was more likely losing control of his powers in his rage like he did in RotS which hindered himself.

Avatar image for theendgame
theendgame

902

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@shootingnova: I said it has holes in it but either way it's still 1-0 and I could argue that Krayt grew in his powers just as much as Anakin did during his time in captivity and isolation.

Avatar image for georgewbush
GeorgeWBush

12637

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Up

Avatar image for i_like_swords
i_like_swords

26411

Forum Posts

2126

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

#32  Edited By i_like_swords

Krayt. More skilled, faster, comparable power, more useful esoteric powers.

Avatar image for pharoh_atem
Pharoh_Atem

44413

Forum Posts

10114

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 13

Vader. He is the more skilled duelist.

Avatar image for lamlam
LamLam

294

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Vader. Close fight, if only because he's not as skilled as later on.

Avatar image for i_like_swords
i_like_swords

26411

Forum Posts

2126

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

#35  Edited By i_like_swords

Krayt giving a slightly post-prime Obi-Wan serious bother in a duel, absolutely ages prior to his prime, and speedblitzing four Imperial Knights in a panel while suffering physically > ANH Vader's dueling capabilities. Krayt's Dark Transfer, approachable telekinesis, and yes, lightning, are all useful tools in his arsenal to help emphasize his edge in a physical manner. How I'm viewing this at the moment, anyway.

Avatar image for sy8000
Sy8000

36670

Forum Posts

24

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Krayt

Avatar image for thevivas
TheVivas

19904

Forum Posts

58564

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

@i_like_swords: It was more of a terrain and age advantage that gave Krayt the edge in his fight with Obi-Wan more than skill, but I agree.

Avatar image for i_like_swords
i_like_swords

26411

Forum Posts

2126

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

@thevivas: Was that actually confirmed anywhere?

Avatar image for eisenfauste
Eisenfauste

17366

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Vader smashes him aside with TK then cuts his head off

Avatar image for thevivas
TheVivas

19904

Forum Posts

58564

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

@i_like_swords: It was in a book called "The Life and Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi" and it mentioned that Krayt had an in advantage in that he was used to fighting on Tatooine. I'll post the passage when I get off of work. Lol

Avatar image for eisenfauste
Eisenfauste

17366

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Didn't kenobi blast his arm off in that fight?

Avatar image for thevivas
TheVivas

19904

Forum Posts

58564

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Avatar image for eisenfauste
Eisenfauste

17366

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@thevivas: So that would make Krayt like what 200 years old?

Avatar image for i_like_swords
i_like_swords

26411

Forum Posts

2126

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

#44  Edited By i_like_swords

@thevivas: It's alright, I used legitimate methods to access the book, found the passage you were talking about. It does note twice that Hett is far more experienced in fighting on the desert, and that he's younger (although age is kind of irrelevant compared to one's abilities with the Force, most of the time), but then, Hett was actually winning quite solidly on account of these advantages. One could deduce that by putting them on even ground, the fight would be more even, which is still a great feat for Hett.

And then you need to consider that he was absolutely nowhere near his prime at this point.

Krayt's really underrated on Comic Vine by some (not you). I don't even like him, but there it is.

Avatar image for lamlam
LamLam

294

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@thevivas: Was that actually confirmed anywhere?

Yup. Posted the quote quite a lot of times. The terrain was hindering Obi-Wan and he was also out of practice and not as skilled as in RotS. Krayt losing to him is proof that he sucks.

Avatar image for night4345
Night4345

8450

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

@thevivas said:

@i_like_swords: It was more of a terrain and age advantage that gave Krayt the edge in his fight with Obi-Wan more than skill, but I agree.

Their duel was 2 years after Obi-Wan's duel with Anakin. Hardly enough time for age to be a factor.

Avatar image for i_like_swords
i_like_swords

26411

Forum Posts

2126

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

@lamlam said:

Yup. Posted the quote quite a lot of times. The terrain was hindering Obi-Wan and he was also out of practice and not as skilled as in RotS. Krayt losing to him is proof that he sucks.

Obi-Wan also noted that he was glad he kept his reflexes sharp, and he didn't say the environment hindered him, only that Krayt was far more experienced on that terrain. I would hope a bit of sand wouldn't be too much of a detriment for someone as skilled as Obi-Wan, though.

Also, Obi-Wan ended up winning by Force-pushing Hett and then pulling his saber through his arm, which isn't a victory by virtue of lightsaber skill, so not much of a detriment for Krayt.

Avatar image for thevivas
TheVivas

19904

Forum Posts

58564

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

@night4345: Age advantage was that Krayt was about ten years younger than Obi-Wan, not that Obi-Wan was old.

@eisenfauste: Something like that. He used Sith teachings and healing trances/hibernation trances to extend his life.

Avatar image for lamlam
LamLam

294

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@i_like_swords:

Obi-Wan also noted that he was glad he kept his reflexes sharp

Indeed, which is why I didn't mention that in my post.

and he didn't say the environment hindered him, only that Krayt was far more experienced on that terrain.

Kenobi does attribute his difficulty with defending himself to Krayt's experience in the sand, which is what matters.

Also, Obi-Wan ended up winning by Force-pushing Hett and then pulling his saber through his arm, which isn't a victory by virtue of lightsaber skill, so not much of a detriment for Krayt.

The author confirmed that Kenobi won by cutting the arm off, then Force pushing it.

Avatar image for night4345
Night4345

8450

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

@thevivas: What factor in a fight did age give Krayt?