Darth Caedus runs the gauntlet (Legends)

Darth Caedus runs the gauntlet

Round 1 - ESB Luke

Round 2 - TPM Qui Gon

Round 3 - TPM Maul

Round 4 - Mustafar Kenobi

Round 5 - Count Dooku

Round 6 - Knightfall Vader

Round 7 - DE Luke Skywalker

Round 8 - ROTJ Sidious

Rules

• Legends
• Prime versions
• Takes place on an open field
• No knowledge or prep
• Morals off and everyone at their best
• Win by incap, KO or death

LFL System

• Seen as though the pre Disney acquisition LFL hierarchy system (G canon, C canon etc) is no longer compulsory, it will not apply here. Therefore, G canon will not have supremacy. Although Lucas is still a filmmaker so his WoG can apply when it pertains to his own films, but not the wider verse
• In Legends, sources can be weighed equally but given that CV is a feats oriented website, it can be assumed that people will debate on who has the better feats. That said, scaling chains, in universe logic/intent and accolades can still counter balance
• In case it isn't obvious, content such as lego SW, alternate endings/DLC, crossovers with other universes etc aren't allowed

After a hard fought round 1 he stops at 2.

Bring it.

Come on man, ESB Luke gives Caedus a hard fight?

You can't still be suprised that Grey says Caedus is trash lmfao

Imo he probably stops at DE Luke. Btw you forgot to add round 7

@frozen: ESB Luke gave a legit challenge to Vader who by all metrics outstrips Caedus by a huge margin.

I'm not really aware of what most sources say on Luke v Vader in Legends. In disney, the sources unanimously say that Vader easily defeated ESB Luke. So I assumed it would be the same for Legends.

Why do you hold Caedus below Vader again?

He stops at Obi-Wan who should be above Dooku.

I don't see why Dooku should be below Obi. He beat IH Obi. The only way you can get Obi above Dooku is to assume he had massive growth throughout ROTS and wank the Mustafar fight (which was contextual).

@frozen:

I'm not really aware of what most sources say on Luke v Vader in Legends.

Most consensus is that Luke forced Vader to go all out and still tagged him several times.

Although he had only briefly been instructed by Yoda, Luke Skywalker showed great power in the force during his duel with Darth Vader on Bespin. He had enough strength to challenge Vader, but Luke was far too hasty.

Star Wars Lightsabers: A Guide to Weapons of the Force

In his duel against Darth Vader on Bespin, Luke Skywalker reveals himself as an extraordinarily gifted artist with the blade who has largely taught himself. After a single brief session with Obi-Wan Kenobi years ago, and only a short time with Yoda, Skywalker is able to hold up against a Dark Lord of the Sith at the height of his powers.

Insider #62: Fightsaber

It is only Vader's much greater experience that gives the Dark Lord the dominant edge in battle.

Insider #62: Fightsaber

The script is a high canon level indicator of this

A quick sword exchange and Luke forces Vader back.

Another exchange and Vader retreats. Luke presses forward.

VADER: Only your hatred can destroy me.

Breathing hard, Luke jumps in the air, turning a somersault over Vader. He lands on the floor and slashes at Vader as the room continues to fill up with steam.

Vader retreats before Luke's skillful sword. Vader blocks the sword, but looses his balance and falls into the outer rim of pipes.

ESB Script

The script also indicates Luke pushed Vader back due to his "skillful sword," with no mention of Vader toying.

Sparks fly as they duel, Vader gradually forcing Luke backward toward the gantry.

ESB Script

Then, when Vader goes berserk toward the end, it's noted he "gradually forces" Luke backward, indicating he can't do it easily. Of course, recall that Luke manages to deliver a painful blow that cut deep through his shoulder armor plates, which is suppose to be semi-lightsaber proof. If not for his armor, Vader would have died.

Luke glances at the instrument complex floating away. At that instant,

Vader's sword comes down across Luke's right forearm, cutting off his hand and sending his sword flying.

ESB Script

And it's emphasized both in the script and other sources Vader disarmed Luke because he diverted his attention, which is more indicative of lack of experience than skill.

Vader even admits Luke could have won

When they fought, [Vader] had also tried to strike the boy down, but that had been merely a test. Had he been able to kill Luke easily, Luke would not have been worth the effort to recruit. But although he had certainly attempted to defeat Luke, the boy had held his own. Despite Vader's superior skill, despite his experience, Luke had survived with no more damage than an easily repaired amputated hand.

The meeting had made Vader feel, not a normal occurrence lately. There had been the thrill at meeting a worthy opponent and pride that the one so strongly opposing him was his own son.

Vader smiled into the darkness surrounding him. Obi-Wan had not told Luke that Anakin Skywalker had become Darth Vader. Luke's anger at the man who had slain his teacher had been potent, had allowed the dark side to claim him. If Vader hadn't broken that anger with fear and confusion by telling the boy he was his father, Luke could have defeated him.

Star Wars: Shadow of the Empire

There's also a ton of Lucas, Filoni and Pablo quotes you can throw in here. But I get you want to move away from those. Still a consistent picture is being drawn here.

Why do you hold Caedus below Vader again?

Vastly inferior feats and IU standing based on his showings against enemies.

@frozen:

He beat IH Obi.

Dooku has a contextual matchup against Kenobi that gives him a unique advantage. This is consistently noted

The only way you can get Obi above Dooku is to assume he had massive growth throughout ROTS and wank the Mustafar fight

Kenobi has several moments of emotional growth throughout RotS which we know increase force strength

"It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you."

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

Anakin and Obi-Wan are stated to be at the height of their powers during Mustafar.

Tell us more about what's in the game but not he film. Justin Lambros: What we wanted to do was expand upon ideas and scenes that were maybe cut short or just, you know, through the editing process don't appear very long in the film. We're able to then expand and fully realize different environments and attacks and events that may just be a minute or two in the film sequence, but then we'll get to show Anakin and Obi-Wan in their fullest, their most powerful, and give players then a chance to relive all those big exciting action sequences even larger and bigger than what is seen in the film.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2005/04/28/revenge-of-the-sith-the-goods

Anakin and Obi Wan fight fiercely though the control room on Mustafar. They each tap into the force as they never have before.

-Revenge of the Sith, Interactive novel

It's undoubtedly Kenobi's prime. Even if you wanted to stick to Dooku > IH Kenobi. It would just mean MF Kenobi grew as demonstrated by matching up with a far more powerful foe than the one who bulldozed Dooku.

He clears

Reasoning?

@frozen:

What's with notifications not working?

Also Greysentinels last 3 sentences explain my reasonings.

Probably at KFV Vader, definitely at DE Luke

8 or clears.

@greysentinel365: Just out of curiosity, are any of those sources pertaining to the ESB fight canon?

There are really people who think Vader wasn't toying with esb Luke lol

From what I know he stops at Palps

Stops at KFV.

@sonofdarkness: All these quotes are legends. The first one might have been reprinted (not sure), but in Disney canon there are 5 times more quotes saying that Vader won easly.

Wins in a Hard fight at 6 against KF Vader and at 7 against DE Luke.

Stops at 8 against Sidious

@darthadi: do you know any of those canon sources?

Stops at round 2.

He makes it up to sidious for a fact and that’s where he loses.

Caedus caps out at probably a little stronger than ROTS sidious If not about equal. So he clears up to palpatine where he loses a hard fight.

Anyone saying he stops at 2 or 3 are assclowns.!

Stops at 5. Legends Dooku is too much for Caedus although it would be a close fight.

Beats DE Luke in a hard fight, finished at 8

Bump.

There's a ton of canon sources saying Vader easily beat ESB Luke. Here are a few:

''The experienced Sith Lord easily defeats the untrained Skywalker, chopping off his right hand.''

• Star Wars: Galactic Atlas.

"You'll find that I am full of surprises," Luke said, but he was posturing. He was no match for the Sith Lord.

• The Empire Strikes Back - 6 stories in 1.

''Luke dueled Vader, but proved no match for the Sith Lord's Force powers and experience with a lightsaber.''

• Luke Skywalker Biography Gallery, starwars.com.

''When Luke faces Vader once more on Cloud City, his skills are still no match for the Sith Lord's mastery''

• Ultimate Star Wars-new edition

In their first duel, Darth Vader easily bests the hot-headed, untested Luke, slicing off his right hand. After barely escaping with his life, the young rebel has a new robotic hand-fitted.”

• Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need To Know

6 is above 7.

Darth Caedus loses resoundingly to ROTJ Palpatine. He ties with Knightfall Vader as an overall combatant.

People really underrate him. I think his fight with Luke is grossly misrepresented by the community. He performed much, much better than people give him credit for.

@frozen I copy this man. My notifications also aren't working

Mine aren't working either. I've reported it to the staff but unfortunately no word back.

hopefully they will fix it and it won't become a major issue

6.

How would he fare against 7 and 8?

Bump.

Caedus lost to Jaina who admitted inferiority to the vast majority/if not the entirety of the jedi council in that respective time period. That council was not as formidable as the prequal trilogy council. Therefore we can conclude that Caedus lost to a somebody/struggled with somebody who was inferior the everybody on this gauntlet besides arguably ESB Luke.

7 or 8

It depends how big of a gap you believe there is between Dark Empire Luke and Fate of the Jedi Luke. I mean, Luke was injured, but he was also uncharacteristically aggressive and overpowering and Jacen suffered injuries as well but managed to keep up.

I personally think he could make it to Sidious, although a strong case could be made for KFV Vader and DE Luke beating him.

@greysentinel365:

Why do you hate Caedus so much lmao