Darth Bane DOE vs. Asajj Ventress

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#1  Edited By GeorgeWBush

*All fighters are bloodlusted

*Battle one takes place in the Tomb of Marka Ragnos

*Battle two takes place on a Rocky mountain outcrop

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I wanna say Bane for both fights. Yeah I'll go with that for now.

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Bane's stranger style and aggression could cause Ventress issues, but she has adapted to that fairly well. Other than that, Ventress is more skilful, Bane is more powerful, and they're about even in most other areas.

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Bane in the Force. Ventress wins the saber duel, and the fight, if Bane doesn't attempt to use the Force on her.

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@zapan87: I doubt it would be as simple as that. Ventress has better skill feats, to be sure, but then, Bane is also physically stronger and his Djem So style revolves around his curved hilt, which is unlike anything Ventress has fought before. She has met both Djem So and curved hilts before (in fact, she uses curved hilts), but she hasn't encountered an opponent who used both at once. It's a marginal edge at best, and even Farfalla could adapt to it well enough, but it might offset the fact that Ventress has adapted to fighting physically stronger opponents, in which case Bane's strength could cause some issues.

Otherwise, I agree. That said, Bane is not more powerful than Ventress by such a margin that he would win an overall fight solely due to power.

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#8  Edited By Lord_Tenebrous

Bane stomps 10/10

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Bane isn't stomping, lol

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lol at Bane stomping.

In terms of dueling, Ventress edges it.

In terms of Force, Bane edges it.

In terms of overall, flip a coin.

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Being the most powerful Sith of the Era > being an incomplete and failed apprentice not even trained to be a true Sith

Slaughtering countless Jedi, skilled and fodder alike > killing a dozen or so Jedi, most of them fodder and via indirect combat and advantages

Slaughtering hundreds of fellow Sith in direct combat > losing to Savage Opress, not even a real Sith, getting stomped by Count Dooku, etc.

And many more reasons, but in general, being the most powerful Sith of his era by itself merits a stomp.

As Yoda said, she's strong, but not that strong.

Good-day.

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@sirfizzwhizz: ^^

Already tried countering this dude’s trollish opinions in other threads. You can take a crack at it now.

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Ventress

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Pardon me, but what does DOE mean?

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@combomanisthebest:

Hey, I believe it means "Dynasty of Evil." It's a novel on Darth Bane written by Drew Karpyshyn.

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Pardon me, but what does DOE mean?

Its end game Bane before he dies. No Orbalisk Armor either.

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Ventress both rounds

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Bane being top tier doesn't mean jack shit when his era is pretty much fodder in comparison to the PT era, lmao.

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Slaughtering countless Jedi, skilled and fodder alike > killing a dozen or so Jedi, most of them fodder and via indirect combat and advantages

Slaughtering hundreds of fellow Sith in direct combat > losing to Savage Opress, not even a real Sith, getting stomped by Count Dooku, etc.

Too bad Bane hasn't actually done either of those things. He faced exactly 5 Jedi in his entire lifetime, and only actually killed 2 of them. The number of Sith he's faced in direct combat ranges from 2 to 5 (depending on if you want to flatter Sirak and his stooges by giving them that title). The "hundreds" that he killed were killed by tricking them into blowing themselves up with a thought bomb.

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#20  Edited By Azronger

Ventress wins via Shadow Guard scaling.

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@zapan871 said:

Bane in the Force. Ventress wins the saber duel, and the fight, if Bane doesn't attempt to use the Force on her.

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@beanzzy:

Unfortunately I was not referring to any of those events.. I was referring to the events on Devaron, which you are clearly unaware of.

Do a bit more research, you'll see what I mean.

Bane being the most powerful Sith of his time alone places Ventress within his stomp level.

Good-day.

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@lord_tenebrous: I'm willing to bet most people here aren't aware of Bane having any feats on Devaron, considering that there's no source ever even placing him on that planet. :/

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Hold on, what about the feat where Bane stood in a thunderstorm?

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The Bounty Hunter Cad Bane went to Devaron.

Darth Bane never has.

As usual Tene spouting his unfounded headcannon brings unending amusement.

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@combomanisthebest: He stood outside when it was raining really hard and deflected rain drops on his lightsaber.

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@greysentinel365: And the worst part is he actually had the gall to tell another user to do their research. Ironic.

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@beanzzy: Yeah, it's nothing new. He resorted to forging quotes when he got dismantled in the Malgus vs Vader thread.

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@thevivas Correct me if i'm wrong, but he stood out there the entire storm and not a single drop of water hit him, so how would Ventress get past his guard?

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@combomanisthebest: It’s not as impressive of a feat as you think. And it wasn’t a full blown “storm” in the sense I think you’re referring to.

My opinion three years ago was Bane wins; it’s largely the same now as it was back then.

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Bane, but him stomping is ludicrous. Then again, coming from the guy who said Bane would beat Krayt 10/10 I'm not surprised.

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Yeah, Ventress wins this.

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Ventress godstomps

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Ventress wins sabers and all-out, a case could be made for Bane taking the force round.

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Logically, Ventress should win due to being closer to Dooku then Bane is, but based on feats Bane takes it

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There is no RoT boost

The films were made prior to the EU and from the films and TCW they were already capped

Darth Krayt is RoTS Sidious level and he was previously RoTS Kenobi level prior to a small DS boost

Fisto is actually able to react to Sidious and is a low diff gap below him (DS boost gap)

We already know the Dark Side boost is quantifiable, yellow eyes give you 1 gap, immersion over time another

Plagueis felt stronger after Tenebrous's death but that was a pivotal time in his life

Sidious felt some insane delirium after the adrenaline rush of killing Plagueis, Plagueis didn't feel this

All the RoT individuals are similar in power, Sidious used haze to confuse Plagueis who was stagnant

Bane is Yoda level and his telekinesis potential is easily in the range of TCW Maul's capped feat etc.

Asajj was always someone who I thought used the same tactics as Grievous to gain advantages

I'm not sure she's even Master level in power more like Knight level it seems

So Bane low to no diffs her

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In the old legends continuity, I would side with Darth Bane for a hard-fought majority. Asajj Ventress is likely more skilled than even Darth Zannah, and her power isn't far behind. Nevertheless, Bane is the more experienced, more skillful swordmaster, and his sheer strength will be overwhelming. His mastery of the Force noticeably eclipses her own command of its power, and so, Asajj is outmatched in most every category, save stamina and agility. The Dark Lord of the Sith, 8-9/10.

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A case can be made for either