Darth Malgus & Satele Shan
Darth Bane & Darth Zannah
- All combatants are at their respective peaks
- Location: Geonosis Arena
- Standard gear & equipment
- Morals off
- No prep
- The opposing teams start 15 meters apart from each other
Who wins and why?
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The Emperor's Wrath 'ruined' Darth Baras who was powerful enough to trick members of the Dark Council into believing he may be the Sith Emperor's Voice. An Emperor who is renowned for stomping three previous iterations of the Dark Council.
Darth Nox dominated Darth Thanaton, who had previously one-shotted a Darth Nox who hadn't yet gained three Sith spirits.
Cipher Nine managed to defeat Darth Jadus, the most powerful Sith in the Empire per the Emperor himself, who had managed to hold a Harrower-class Dreadnought together after an internal explosion destroyed it.
The Grand Champion of the Great Hunt managed to defeat six Jedi masters and knights whilst surrounded prior to defeating Darth Tagren.
Malgus fought all four of these prior to putting them all on their knees with Force lightning, and then leaping at and Force waving them before they could react. The battle was described as intense before he was defeated and yet it's implied that he not only survived defeat but even survived the ensuing self-destruction of the Emperor's Fortress with him in it.
Satele Shan managed to crush multiple Hex droids despite an enraged Eldox Ax failing to put a dent in one of them with the Sith's own attempt at telekinesis. She's also capable of teleporting faster than the Outlander could swing a lightsaber, and shielding her mind from the tidal wave in the Force caused by the Emperor's death.
Malgus feats are far better than Bane ones : during his prime he faces a combine team of wrath of the emperor 2 and darth Nox and some powerful non force sensitif people (cipher 9 and the winner of the great hunt) or the hot and the barsen'tor and the new leader of the chaos squad and a famous smuggler. And he nearly win.
For satele against zannah she isn't able to break her guard but I don't see her being hurt by zannah in any way: zannah cannot attack her with her lightsaber (really not her way of fighting) and satele don't be really impact by her illusions : she lives in a time where people are always using DS illusions so she knows how to shield her from this. So I think she can hold her own until malgus join her to kill zannah. Moreover I don't know if a powerful telekinetic blast of satele cannot overwhelm zannah defenses.
To me the only argument in favor of Bane and Zannah is that their used to work as a team. But I don't think this is enough to hive them the win.
So Malgus and Satele take this.
@dawn_of_ages: Bane and Vader aren't in the same tier. Bane and Malgus are probably at the top of theirs if we exclude all the featless Rule of Two Sith (which would put prime Zannah above both of them), while Vader is above them by a solid tier (IMO).
@xolthol: While I don't agree that Malgus' feats are far better than Bane's, I do think Malgus is underrated. He's definitely in Bane/Vader-tier, IMO.
I agree with you on this. I think that Malgus is underrated, but so is Bane.
Bane is not <<<< Vader. He is way too underrated in this forum. I do agree that Bane is < Vader, but not by as much as @richard96 indicates.
They are both beneath Vader, but they are huge powerhouses who could contend with Vader. They are all similar.
I think this fight gets down to Zannah and Shan, and I'm having problems with this. Although, I do think that Shan is a better duelist than Zannah. If she can keep Zannah from using sorcery, then she most likely will win. If there is a break in Shan's use of her saber, then Zannah will have time to use her sorcery and will likely win.
I think this battle comes down to timing.
Bane and Vader aren't in the same tier. Bane and Malgus are probably at the top of theirs if we exclude all the featless Rule of Two Sith (which would put prime Zannah above both of them), while Vader is above them by a solid tier (IMO).
What puts Vader solidly above Bane? Granted I think Vader>Bane, but the difference isn't vast, IMO.
bringing down a cathedral come to mind.
Bane's Lehon feat matches this, tbh.
Bane was amped when he performed that feat.
Vader is miles ahead due to Banite/Dooku and Maul scaling.
How do Vader/Maul/Dooku benefit from Banite scaling?
Oh dear Lord, here we go again.
Which are? I need material for my Vader wank.
he has even considerably better feats.
Malgus dominating the Empire's Fury puts him really close to Vader, IMO.
Bane had multiple circumstances in his favor when he performed that feat, one of which being a darkside amp from the temple itself.
Yeah, but this was Bane prior to growing in power and reaching his prime.
End of POD Bane>Lehon Bane who busted a temple.
Rather than have Bane tear the Sith apart, Kaan sent assassins to kill him. Bane only got stronger however.
--Taken from: The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
Orbalisk Bane before the orbalisks fully develop>POD Bane.
"Bane reached inward to call upon the dark side, drawing it not only from himself but also from the orbalisks fastened to his chest and back. , he released it in a burst of energy. The hallucinations that had plagued his wounded mind ever since the detonation of the thought bomb vanished, instantly and utterly annihilated by , and he knew the visions of the dead Sith would haunt him no more."
--Taken from: Rule of Two
Ten years into the infestation then he should be obviously be more powerful and has far more orbalisks attached to his body. And DoE Bane is even more powerful than peak orbalisk Bane.
(credit to Emperordmb for the quotes)
Vader is the 80 per cent of ROTS sidius, who, per the banite scaling, is a god compared to bane.
Vader brought down cathedrals and freighters while massively pre prime
If I'm not mistaken, Vader only brought down the freighter that had it's engine damaged. Malgus in Deceived did prevent one from taking off despite the full engagement of it's engines (to the point the engines started to whine) for a significant ammount of time - and that's considering he didn't want to damage the freighter as he tought his lover had been there. That's also before he received a massive upgrade after killing his lover and twelve years before his prime; years where the novel describe that "his understanding of the force grew daily".
@richard96: My approach is that a ship that is accelerated at it's full power directly at the building would destroy it, since it's physically equivalent to what Malgus did. I also forgot to add that Zeerid modified the engines to be even more powerful than those of a stock freighter.
About the size, all that's given is that it's slightly larger than average light freighter and significant smaller than some 500m large freighters. So, considering most small freighters have 30m length, it should be pretty safe to assume ~40m minimum for the ship in question.
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