@comicdude23: hmm superman prime should be a bit physically stronger but darkseid should still be capable of turning turning him into a baby lol i didnt see anyone try genetic manipulation on Superman prime so ill go with that
"It just makes sense that if normal Superman can kick Darkseid's behind Superman prime would straight up abuse it.. Just sayin' "
WRONG. @Valtot said:
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hmm superman prime should be a bit physically stronger but darkseid should still be capable of turning turning him into a baby lol i didnt see anyone try genetic manipulation on Superman prime so ill go with that
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No ones tried telepathy either and Bfr works just fine.
hmm superman prime should be a bit physically stronger but darkseid should still be capable of turning turning him into a baby lol i didnt see anyone try genetic manipulation on Superman prime so ill go with that
7/10 on prime can win if he lands punches as he can full scale blitz with planetary punches but darkseid will for the most part just take him out from the start with the OE
" @entropy_aegis: well in theory if someone tried telepathy hed super think to cancel it out but yea BFR or my favourite- turn him into a little baby "
The Manhunter was able to read Prime's mind without trouble while Prime was fleeing earth at high speeds, and Prime never seemed to notice.
Tell me why Darkseid would be incapable of manipulating his mind, and none of this super thinking theory that he never even demonstrated.
Prime if it was Pc-Darkseid he gets the win with no question but normal Darkseid get mad handling normal sups and you all now this one is above normal sups and he docent mine getting hes hands dirty. Thats my opinion
" @deathlife: Because it has been debunked as bad writing. "
I have read through the several Darkseid threads here (and i mean really,really many) and most of them say that Darkseid uses avatars.
While that is very true and there have been a number of instances where Desaad has taken DS's place...it would be massive stretch to explain away all of DSs appearances as avatars. Unless there is a statement on-panel where DS says this or a DC statement that says it, it is cannon that Supes has beaten Darkseid.
Several writers (Kelly, Byrne, the much maligned Loeb, Jurgens) have written stories with Supes owning DS (or at least them stalemating). There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that current Darkseid (not PC Darkseid who was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayy above SA Superman) is above current Supes. Why DC decide to do this, i really don't know because it makes absolutely no sense to have Supes constantly own Darkseid but if DC have decided it...we just to have to accept it (kind of like how Thor can't beat the Hulk no matter what, it's just the way it is).
Now, looking at Superman-Prime who is several times stronger than Superboy Prime who is several times stronger than Supes...it's just overkill.
" @deathlife: Because it has been debunked as bad writing. "
I have read through the several Darkseid threads here (and i mean really,really many) and most of them say that Darkseid uses avatars.
While that is very true and there have been a number of instances where Desaad has taken DS's place...it would be massive stretch to explain away all of DSs appearances as avatars. Unless there is a statement on-panel where DS says this or a DC statement that says it, it is cannon that Supes has beaten Darkseid. Several writers (Kelly, Byrne, the much maligned Loeb, Jurgens) have written stories with Supes owning DS (or at least them stalemating). There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that current Darkseid (not PC Darkseid who was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayy above SA Superman) is above current Supes. Why DC decide to do this, i really don't know because it makes absolutely no sense to have Supes constantly own Darkseid but if DC have decided it...we just to have to accept it (kind of like how Thor can't beat the Hulk no matter what, it's just the way it is). Now, looking at Superman-Prime who is several times stronger than Superboy Prime who is several times stronger than Supes...it's just overkill. Prime wins this. "
welcome to the vine, theres a lot of fanboys here to ignore the facts. wait to see a thor v hulk thread and you ll see.
" @deathlife: Because it has been debunked as bad writing. "
I have read through the several Darkseid threads here (and i mean really,really many) and most of them say that Darkseid uses avatars.
While that is very true and there have been a number of instances where Desaad has taken DS's place...it would be massive stretch to explain away all of DSs appearances as avatars. Unless there is a statement on-panel where DS says this or a DC statement that says it, it is cannon that Supes has beaten Darkseid. Several writers (Kelly, Byrne, the much maligned Loeb, Jurgens) have written stories with Supes owning DS (or at least them stalemating). There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that current Darkseid (not PC Darkseid who was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayy above SA Superman) is above current Supes. Why DC decide to do this, i really don't know because it makes absolutely no sense to have Supes constantly own Darkseid but if DC have decided it...we just to have to accept it (kind of like how Thor can't beat the Hulk no matter what, it's just the way it is). Now, looking at Superman-Prime who is several times stronger than Superboy Prime who is several times stronger than Supes...it's just overkill. Prime wins this. "
"Prime as a boy rapes darkseid. superman prime is overkill. superman can beat darkseid. "
Yeah right,darkseid uses the omega sanction and has prime destroy both himself and his entire universe,bruce wayne survived cause he's smart ,prime is stupid.
"It just makes sense that if normal Superman can kick Darkseid's behind Superman prime would straight up abuse it.. Just sayin' "
WRONG. @Valtot said:
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hmm superman prime should be a bit physically stronger but darkseid should still be capable of turning turning him into a baby lol i didnt see anyone try genetic manipulation on Superman prime so ill go with that
"
No ones tried telepathy either and Bfr works just fine. "
You know what's strange. Martian Manhunter was able to read Superboy Prime's mind in Infinity Crisis. That is how MM found out that Prime was going to destroy Oa. So, with that his mind should be easy picking for telepaths to mind rape him.
"It just makes sense that if normal Superman can kick Darkseid's behind Superman prime would straight up abuse it.. Just sayin' "
WRONG. @Valtot said:
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hmm superman prime should be a bit physically stronger but darkseid should still be capable of turning turning him into a baby lol i didnt see anyone try genetic manipulation on Superman prime so ill go with that
"
No ones tried telepathy either and Bfr works just fine. "
You know what's strange. Martian Manhunter was able to read Superboy Prime's mind in Infinity Crisis. That is how MM found out that Prime was going to destroy Oa. So, with that his mind should be easy picking for telepaths to mind rape him. "
"why people keep ignoring that supes already beat DS a few times? and even says is PIS? ignore cannon or what? i see ds has a lot of fanboys here. "
Give an actual argument,i already showed you scans of darkseid whooping henshaw.lots' of stuff is in cannon but is still discounted. "
I remember DS blasing Henshaw to Kingdom Come in Superman/Doomsday:Hunter/Prey (right? it's been a long,long time). Our point is that we've never seen him beat Kal-El (our Supes). If you scans of DS beating Supes, i would love to see them. And if it is cannon that Supes beats Darkseid (more than once) why should it be discounted. "
He turned him in to a ball,i have scans of darkseid beating supes more than once,all post crisis,and it does'nt matter cause when darkseid beats supermans superiors but loses to supes himself then obviously it's bad writing.
@deathlife: ok i cant get the scan of darkseid doing that but darkseid has always been stronger than superman and with his powers its rediculous superman can beat him though superman is protected by the source
darkseid for most of the time dominates superman physically
" Prime as a boy rapes darkseid. superman prime is overkill. superman can beat darkseid. "
Superman can't beat Darkseid at all.
@demifiend said:
" why people keep ignoring that supes already beat DS a few times? and even says is PIS? ignore cannon or what? i see ds has a lot of fanboys here. "
Those few times were either PIS or not Darkseid. Outside of Superman comics, Darkseid has beaten people much more powerful than Superman such as the Greek Gods who gave Wonder Woman her power.
@deathlife said:
" @Death Certificate said:
" @deathlife: Because it has been debunked as bad writing. "
I have read through the several Darkseid threads here (and i mean really,really many) and most of them say that Darkseid uses avatars.
While that is very true and there have been a number of instances where Desaad has taken DS's place...it would be massive stretch to explain away all of DSs appearances as avatars. Unless there is a statement on-panel where DS says this or a DC statement that says it, it is cannon that Supes has beaten Darkseid. Several writers (Kelly, Byrne, the much maligned Loeb, Jurgens) have written stories with Supes owning DS (or at least them stalemating).
I don't know when Kelly ever wrote a story when Superman beat Darkseid, but that instance Byrne wrote wasn't Darkseid - it was Desaad disguised as Darkseid. Loeb's are all bad writing and I don't know when Jurgens whote Superman beating Darkseid either.
the writers always make sure that superman wins so I believe no matttttttttttttttter what version whether silver age, olden age, modern age or whatever version, superman will always stand victorious against darkseid LOL
If we go by most comic logic then the good guy wins... If we go by stats then Darkseid wins... If we go by inconsistent power levels and abilities then they both win/lose.
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