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#1  Edited By Regal

This is Pre-Crisis Darkseid (With the Anti-Life Equation).

After reading some of the posts... err... yeah... sorry. Will it make a chane if Darkseid has the ALE?

The celestial is just a random unnamed one.

As with my other posts, I'm just curious about their power level.

Apologies if this is a stomp.

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@regal: a celestial at worst is a galaxy buster and darkseid is at best planet buster. I mean with anti life he is above that but he still wouldn't beat a celestial whom even Odin can't beat one on one.

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Celestial wins.

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@newecho:

Pre-Crisis Darkseid at best a planet buster?

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Celestial curbs

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@destruct0r24578: pre crisis is at best multi planet to solar system buster. Either way he doesn't beat a celestial.

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A Celestial wins.

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#10  Edited By Aatroxxx

They are around Galaxy level, some people have said Odin with his Fully amped destroyer should be able to take 1 maybee 2.

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#11  Edited By blackpantherisb

Celestial

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The Celestial wins.

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Celestial murks him, DS is a mere bug compared to any celestial.

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A random Celestial casually destroyed a galaxy and remade it into another Celestial. Darkseid is outclassed.

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Celestial swats him like a fly.

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Depends on which version of the Anti-Life Equation we are using.

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Celestial wrecks

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#19  Edited By ThEBeStOfTheBeST

Darkseid w/ALE is nigh Omnipotent, he could best few of them not to mention most of the Celestials are far from being nigh Omnipotent. However according to this:

The celestial is just a random unnamed one.

Uxas with the use of ALE definitely slaughters thus am afraid saying a bunch of featless Celestials "stomp" someone with plethora of accomplishment is rather irrational.

Post-Flashpoint ALE (although its the same as pre-Flashpoint..)

The ALE/LE grants its user nigh omnipotence (Mobius cracked open the multiverse with the use of the Anti Life Equation back in Darkseid's war story arc):

With the ALE Darkseid can control life on a multiversal scale - scans are taken from Green Lantern/New Gods: Godhead issue #1:

The life equation can shape/alter all of existence meaning the multiverse

It exist within' the WL kyle (it was taken from him by the HF in the later panels)

An inexperienced Kyle w/EL nearly drove the universe into extinction by accident despite of being inside of the Source Wall.

And by "extinction" he meant he was 'bout to wipe out the entire universe not just the life within' it, you can clearly see planets getting cracked and all.. on panel, if it wasn't for the High Father the universe would've been destroyed:

The life equation threatens all of creation basically the multiverse (Issue #8)

Life equation is the only item that can save the multiverse from the ALE in another interception it is as well a multiversal force.

Once again Darkseid with the ALE at his disposal he can enslave the entire multiverse "all reality"

Pre-Flashpoint ALE

It was stated to be beyond universal level in Sandman (possibly multiversal):

More feats check post #58

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Celestials

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Celestial.

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@newecho: Darkseid with Anti life equation is above Odin

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Darkseid w/ALE might win..

I think it also depend on the celestial

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@regal: Darkseid is a multiversal threat. There is only 1 Darkseid, and that Darkseid is so powerful he can't even exist in a universe separate from his own or his presence alone will cause it to collapse. Even his avatars are insanely powerful, able to take on beings such as superman, the anti-monitor, Trigon, etc. Darkseid is so powerful, the anti-monitor (One of the first beings in existence), and had to possess death itself with the ALE to kill Darkseid. He basically has the Infinity Gauntlet with he Omega effect but arguable more powerful, due to the fact he primarily unleashes it in the form of the Omega beams, that are virtually unavoidable since they lock onto the soul of the target. After he came back from death he drained and absorbed the power of Zeus just by being near him. Just like the saying 'I am Batman' encompasses how ridiculous Batman is, the saying 'Darkseid Is...' encompasses how powerful Darkseid is.

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Celestial stomps, completely different weight class.

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Celestial wank is still strong even to this day. Darkseid ends this as quick as it began.

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Celestial wank is still strong even to this day. Darkseid ends this as quick as it began.

What Celestial wank?

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Celestial wank is still strong even to this day. Darkseid ends this as quick as it began.

No Celestial Wank spotted in this. Celestials are universal consistently and at least galaxy level with low-ball. FC Darkseid isn't even that level.

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#33  Edited By ProfessorRespect  Online

Pre crisis Seid has barely any feats to make himself impressive by himself etc. Everything good he got was under Great Darkness Saga, which had him amped. The ALE could make a difference.....if Seid knows how to use it more so than a basic brainwashing tool.

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@takenstew22: I'm not saying there are not some OP celestials Scathan. But in no way shape or form are they consistent. If they are so power why was Beyonder about to mess with them with trying, like no effort at all. Yet Galactus acts surprise when one in destroyed. Please lord give me strength. Thor can damage one but 3 god's can't .

Darkseid got this because he's the man

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@takenstew22: I'm not saying there are not some OP celestials Scathan. But in no way shape or form are they consistent.

Neither is Darkseid really.

If they are so power why was Beyonder about to mess with them with trying, like no effort at all.

Because Beyonder is like, pretty much the god tier of the Marvel verse? Lmao.

Yet Galactus acts surprise when one in destroyed.

And?

Please lord give me strength. Thor can damage one but 3 god's can't .

You talking about Exitar? Thor not only had the belt of strength but he only slightly put a hole in his armor. Exitar didn't even notice him until he Godblasted his brain.

Darkseid got this because he's the man

Not really a good argument but ok.

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People be downplaying Darkseid. Pre-crisis Darkseid with Anti-Life Equation? I'd say he wins this one.

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OT: Darkseid can probably win with ALE, even though I don't think he has any feats for it.

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People be downplaying Darkseid. Pre-crisis Darkseid with Anti-Life Equation? I'd say he wins this one.

You act like Pre Crisis Darkseid has insane feats when even in Great Darkness he was fighting Superboy and Supergirl and needing BFR to win the fight.

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People be downplaying Darkseid. Pre-crisis Darkseid with Anti-Life Equation? I'd say he wins this one.

You act like Pre Crisis Darkseid has insane feats when even in Great Darkness he was fighting Superboy and Supergirl and needing BFR to win the fight.

I was mainly referring to the man that said he was planetary.

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@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:

People be downplaying Darkseid. Pre-crisis Darkseid with Anti-Life Equation? I'd say he wins this one.

You act like Pre Crisis Darkseid has insane feats when even in Great Darkness he was fighting Superboy and Supergirl and needing BFR to win the fight.

I was mainly referring to the man that said he was planetary.

He ain't got any potency feats on that level that aren't him amped on Mordru magic tho. We all know how inconsistent SA stuff is anyway.

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@professorrespect said:
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People be downplaying Darkseid. Pre-crisis Darkseid with Anti-Life Equation? I'd say he wins this one.

You act like Pre Crisis Darkseid has insane feats when even in Great Darkness he was fighting Superboy and Supergirl and needing BFR to win the fight.

I was mainly referring to the man that said he was planetary.

He ain't got any potency feats on that level that aren't him amped on Mordru magic tho. We all know how inconsistent SA stuff is anyway.

He's more than capable of planet busting. Without being amped by magic.

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@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:

People be downplaying Darkseid. Pre-crisis Darkseid with Anti-Life Equation? I'd say he wins this one.

You act like Pre Crisis Darkseid has insane feats when even in Great Darkness he was fighting Superboy and Supergirl and needing BFR to win the fight.

I was mainly referring to the man that said he was planetary.

He ain't got any potency feats on that level that aren't him amped on Mordru magic tho. We all know how inconsistent SA stuff is anyway.

But you're right. Pre-crisis stuff is highly inconsistent.

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@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:

People be downplaying Darkseid. Pre-crisis Darkseid with Anti-Life Equation? I'd say he wins this one.

You act like Pre Crisis Darkseid has insane feats when even in Great Darkness he was fighting Superboy and Supergirl and needing BFR to win the fight.

I was mainly referring to the man that said he was planetary.

He ain't got any potency feats on that level that aren't him amped on Mordru magic tho. We all know how inconsistent SA stuff is anyway.

He's more than capable of planet busting. Without being amped by magic.

In Pre Crisis? When is Darkseid doing that?

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@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:

People be downplaying Darkseid. Pre-crisis Darkseid with Anti-Life Equation? I'd say he wins this one.

You act like Pre Crisis Darkseid has insane feats when even in Great Darkness he was fighting Superboy and Supergirl and needing BFR to win the fight.

I was mainly referring to the man that said he was planetary.

He ain't got any potency feats on that level that aren't him amped on Mordru magic tho. We all know how inconsistent SA stuff is anyway.

He's more than capable of planet busting. Without being amped by magic.

In Pre Crisis? When is Darkseid doing that?

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Through scaling. Darkseid at least Superman's level of strength, so he should be able to replicate something as trivial as planet-busting.

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@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:

People be downplaying Darkseid. Pre-crisis Darkseid with Anti-Life Equation? I'd say he wins this one.

You act like Pre Crisis Darkseid has insane feats when even in Great Darkness he was fighting Superboy and Supergirl and needing BFR to win the fight.

I was mainly referring to the man that said he was planetary.

He ain't got any potency feats on that level that aren't him amped on Mordru magic tho. We all know how inconsistent SA stuff is anyway.

He's more than capable of planet busting. Without being amped by magic.

In Pre Crisis? When is Darkseid doing that?

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Through scaling. Darkseid at least Superman's level of strength, so he should be able to replicate something as trivial as planet-busting.

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>Superman's level of strength

>shows him getting beat up while as Clark Kent and Seid being knocked around by Sups and co

Not really seeing it tbh. It's not even like Sups gives Seid credit while pretending to be human: he just says he was fast when choking him.

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@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:

People be downplaying Darkseid. Pre-crisis Darkseid with Anti-Life Equation? I'd say he wins this one.

You act like Pre Crisis Darkseid has insane feats when even in Great Darkness he was fighting Superboy and Supergirl and needing BFR to win the fight.

I was mainly referring to the man that said he was planetary.

He ain't got any potency feats on that level that aren't him amped on Mordru magic tho. We all know how inconsistent SA stuff is anyway.

He's more than capable of planet busting. Without being amped by magic.

In Pre Crisis? When is Darkseid doing that?

No Caption Provided

Through scaling. Darkseid at least Superman's level of strength, so he should be able to replicate something as trivial as planet-busting.

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>Superman's level of strength

>shows him getting beat up while as Clark Kent and Seid being knocked around by Sups and co

Not really seeing it tbh. It's not even like Sups gives Seid credit while pretending to be human: he just says he was fast when choking him.

In the first scan, Superman literally said he couldn't see him. That is a full on blitz. The second scan shows Darkseid taking hits from both pre-crisis Superman and Supergirl.

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@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:

People be downplaying Darkseid. Pre-crisis Darkseid with Anti-Life Equation? I'd say he wins this one.

You act like Pre Crisis Darkseid has insane feats when even in Great Darkness he was fighting Superboy and Supergirl and needing BFR to win the fight.

I was mainly referring to the man that said he was planetary.

He ain't got any potency feats on that level that aren't him amped on Mordru magic tho. We all know how inconsistent SA stuff is anyway.

He's more than capable of planet busting. Without being amped by magic.

In Pre Crisis? When is Darkseid doing that?

No Caption Provided

Through scaling. Darkseid at least Superman's level of strength, so he should be able to replicate something as trivial as planet-busting.

No Caption Provided

>Superman's level of strength

>shows him getting beat up while as Clark Kent and Seid being knocked around by Sups and co

Not really seeing it tbh. It's not even like Sups gives Seid credit while pretending to be human: he just says he was fast when choking him.

In the first scan, Superman literally said he couldn't see him. That is a full on blitz. The second scan shows Darkseid taking hits from both pre-crisis Superman and Supergirl.

And? He's in citizen disguise lol. He isn't going to try fighting back, so no idea how you can scale that to SA Superman+. That would work if he had a full-scale beatdown, like Mongul beating Superman into unconsciousness, but throwing him once? That's nothing.

"taking hits" he took one hit and was like "I've never been taken down in all millennia, this is beyond any belief" which sounds like he got rocked and he was commenting on how badly he got hit. Again, this is nothing.

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@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:

People be downplaying Darkseid. Pre-crisis Darkseid with Anti-Life Equation? I'd say he wins this one.

You act like Pre Crisis Darkseid has insane feats when even in Great Darkness he was fighting Superboy and Supergirl and needing BFR to win the fight.

I was mainly referring to the man that said he was planetary.

He ain't got any potency feats on that level that aren't him amped on Mordru magic tho. We all know how inconsistent SA stuff is anyway.

He's more than capable of planet busting. Without being amped by magic.

In Pre Crisis? When is Darkseid doing that?

No Caption Provided

Through scaling. Darkseid at least Superman's level of strength, so he should be able to replicate something as trivial as planet-busting.

No Caption Provided

>Superman's level of strength

>shows him getting beat up while as Clark Kent and Seid being knocked around by Sups and co

Not really seeing it tbh. It's not even like Sups gives Seid credit while pretending to be human: he just says he was fast when choking him.

In the first scan, Superman literally said he couldn't see him. That is a full on blitz. The second scan shows Darkseid taking hits from both pre-crisis Superman and Supergirl.

And? He's in citizen disguise lol. He isn't going to try fighting back, so no idea how you can scale that to SA Superman+. That would work if he had a full-scale beatdown, like Mongul beating Superman into unconsciousness, but throwing him once? That's nothing.

"taking hits" he took one hit and was like "I've never been taken down in all millennia, this is beyond any belief" which sounds like he got rocked and he was commenting on how badly he got hit. Again, this is nothing.

But in the first scan, he acknowledged that he couldn't keep up with Darkseid. That doesn't really have anything to do with fighting back.

The second scan shows him getting hit from two amped Kryptonians.

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#49  Edited By ProfessorRespect  Online

@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:

People be downplaying Darkseid. Pre-crisis Darkseid with Anti-Life Equation? I'd say he wins this one.

You act like Pre Crisis Darkseid has insane feats when even in Great Darkness he was fighting Superboy and Supergirl and needing BFR to win the fight.

I was mainly referring to the man that said he was planetary.

He ain't got any potency feats on that level that aren't him amped on Mordru magic tho. We all know how inconsistent SA stuff is anyway.

He's more than capable of planet busting. Without being amped by magic.

In Pre Crisis? When is Darkseid doing that?

No Caption Provided

Through scaling. Darkseid at least Superman's level of strength, so he should be able to replicate something as trivial as planet-busting.

No Caption Provided

>Superman's level of strength

>shows him getting beat up while as Clark Kent and Seid being knocked around by Sups and co

Not really seeing it tbh. It's not even like Sups gives Seid credit while pretending to be human: he just says he was fast when choking him.

In the first scan, Superman literally said he couldn't see him. That is a full on blitz. The second scan shows Darkseid taking hits from both pre-crisis Superman and Supergirl.

And? He's in citizen disguise lol. He isn't going to try fighting back, so no idea how you can scale that to SA Superman+. That would work if he had a full-scale beatdown, like Mongul beating Superman into unconsciousness, but throwing him once? That's nothing.

"taking hits" he took one hit and was like "I've never been taken down in all millennia, this is beyond any belief" which sounds like he got rocked and he was commenting on how badly he got hit. Again, this is nothing.

But in the first scan, he acknowledged that he couldn't keep up with Darkseid. That doesn't really have anything to do with fighting back.

He never said that, he just said Seid was fast, and this is while he wasn't expecting anything to happen either. Again, this is nothing to scale from.

The second scan shows him getting hit from two amped Kryptonians

Once, and then him saying he got rocked. This is anything to scale from lol. You need actual full on fights to actually do anything substanual, and if you think that's enough to be planetary.....then you've got very small expectations.

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@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:
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@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@professorrespect said:
@bdelloidgrain2 said:
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@bdelloidgrain2 said:

People be downplaying Darkseid. Pre-crisis Darkseid with Anti-Life Equation? I'd say he wins this one.

You act like Pre Crisis Darkseid has insane feats when even in Great Darkness he was fighting Superboy and Supergirl and needing BFR to win the fight.

I was mainly referring to the man that said he was planetary.

He ain't got any potency feats on that level that aren't him amped on Mordru magic tho. We all know how inconsistent SA stuff is anyway.

He's more than capable of planet busting. Without being amped by magic.

In Pre Crisis? When is Darkseid doing that?

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Through scaling. Darkseid at least Superman's level of strength, so he should be able to replicate something as trivial as planet-busting.

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>Superman's level of strength

>shows him getting beat up while as Clark Kent and Seid being knocked around by Sups and co

Not really seeing it tbh. It's not even like Sups gives Seid credit while pretending to be human: he just says he was fast when choking him.

In the first scan, Superman literally said he couldn't see him. That is a full on blitz. The second scan shows Darkseid taking hits from both pre-crisis Superman and Supergirl.

And? He's in citizen disguise lol. He isn't going to try fighting back, so no idea how you can scale that to SA Superman+. That would work if he had a full-scale beatdown, like Mongul beating Superman into unconsciousness, but throwing him once? That's nothing.

"taking hits" he took one hit and was like "I've never been taken down in all millennia, this is beyond any belief" which sounds like he got rocked and he was commenting on how badly he got hit. Again, this is nothing.

But in the first scan, he acknowledged that he couldn't keep up with Darkseid. That doesn't really have anything to do with fighting back.

He never said that, he just said Seid was fast, and this is while he wasn't expecting anything to happen either. Again, this is nothing to scale from.

The second scan shows him getting hit from two amped Kryptonians

Once, and then him saying he got rocked. This is anything to scale from lol. You need actual full on fights to actually do anything substanual, and if you think that's enough to be planetary.....then you've got very small expectations.

If you can't see something, odds are you cannot keep up with it. Superman said he could not even see Darkseid move.