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#1 Posted by Kevd4wg (12491 posts) - - Show Bio
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The Scenario

After finding himself dropped in the Marvel Universe, Darkseid decides to take over the universe. Many heroes and villains decide to stop him.

The Gauntlet

  1. Nova Prime
  2. Beta Ray Bill
  3. Quasar
  4. Silver Surfer
  5. Annihilus
  6. Adam Warlock
  7. Phalanx Ultron
  8. Lord Mar-Vell
  9. Thanos
  10. DP Tyrant

Rules

  • 616 versions
  • Annihilus has the cosmic control rod
  • Battlefield is an indestructible, abandoned Earth
  • Win by Death/KO/Incap
  • Post-Crisis/New52 Darkseid
  • Morals off
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#3 Posted by Warlockmage (9039 posts) - - Show Bio

stops hard at 7

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#4 Edited by decaf_wizard (16826 posts) - - Show Bio

6 and 7 should cuck Darkseid tbh

8 and beyond is basically spite.

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#5 Posted by deactivated-5b728068f211c (7069 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 6.

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#6 Posted by Batvibe12 (5570 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 8.

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#7 Posted by Jpanda (145 posts) - - Show Bio

stops dead in his tracks at 7

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#8 Posted by phillip33 (3913 posts) - - Show Bio

7

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#9 Posted by jrupert1 (1436 posts) - - Show Bio

6 potentially or stops at 7.

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#10 Posted by Darth_Nimrod (2713 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't know for sure, but Darkseid definitely goes down to Thanos and Tyrant.

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#11 Posted by comic_book_fan (11198 posts) - - Show Bio

stops at 10 maybe 9 but definitely 10

a good arguement could be made by both darkseid and thanos but i am going with darkseid.

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#12 Posted by BlessedbyHorus (6319 posts) - - Show Bio

9 can really go either way.

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#13 Posted by RampageTheFirst (7304 posts) - - Show Bio

7

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#14 Posted by maxxc10X (476 posts) - - Show Bio

4

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#15 Posted by cdiddyman911 (5531 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 7.

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#16 Posted by silverplatinum (443 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 6.

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#17 Edited by Lord_Spectrum (4244 posts) - - Show Bio

The guy who gets rekt by Superman and has a hard time against Supergirl-level characters is getting wanked here really hard, what's with this certain rise of wankforce for him.

Anyways DS ain't beating Beta Ray Bill, for sure, no matter how much people wank Darkseid.

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#18 Posted by Supermanforever (7843 posts) - - Show Bio

The guy who gets rekt by Superman and has a hard time against Supergirl-level characters is getting wanked here really hard.

He ain't beating Beta Ray Bill, for sure, no matter how much people wank Darkseid.

New 52 Darkseid getting rekt by Superman? pass the weed bro.

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#19 Posted by deactivated-5b2121a0a9a00 (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

Lmao, he'll be lucky if he even passes 2.

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#20 Edited by Lord_Spectrum (4244 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever said:

New 52 Darkseid getting rekt by Superman? pass the weed bro.

I guess you skipped the part of OP, where it is stated both Post-Crisis and New 52.

We ain't forgetting all those Post-Crisis Darkseid vs Superman fights, those are too consistent simple.

As for New 52, Darkseid should be thankful that he didn't fight full power Superman, but a massively weakened near chargless Supes and his near fodder league whom full power Supes himself could easily one-shot each member of it and that magic nature of DS's powers played part there too, since many character with above average magic resistance tanked that, like Mister Miracle (yeah that low mid-tier at best New God), Power Girl, Alan Scott and etc...

In New 52 though, he was having a hard time against Power Girl even though he was spamming those magic beams, still a near equal match, and at the end of the fight, PG was lacking stamina/solar energy but literally was unharmed, while Darkseid got damaged in few places and was bleeding.

Then we of course have the infamous Post-Ascendance Alan one-shotting Darkseid with physical strike, the same Alan who was stalemated by Power Girl in terms of physical stats, and overpowered PG by of course using the magic.

And the Anti-Monitor instance of course, against whom Darkseid was having a hard time, while Ultraman, essentially a second rate alt reality Supes, was wrecking Anti-Monitor's a**.

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#21 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever said:

New 52 Darkseid getting rekt by Superman? pass the weed bro.

I guess you skipped the part of OP, where it is stated both Post-Crisis and New 52.

We ain't forgetting all those Post-Crisis Darkseid vs Superman fights, those are too consistent simple.

As for New 52, Darkseid should be thankful that he didn't fight full power Superman, but a massively weakened near chargless Supes and his near fodder league whom full power Supes himself could easily one-shot each member of it and that magic nature of DS's powers played part there too, since many character with above average magic resistance tanked that, like Mister Miracle (yeah that low mid-tier at best New God), Power Girl, Alan Scott and etc...

In New 52 though, he was having a hard time against Power Girl even though he was spamming those magic beams, still a near equal match, and at the end of the fight, PG was lacking stamina/solar energy but literally was unharmed, while Darkseid got damaged in few places and was bleeding.

Then we of course have the infamous Post-Ascendance Alan one-shotting Darkseid with physical strike, the same Alan who was stalemated by Power Girl in terms of physical stats, and overpowered PG by of course using the magic.

And the Anti-Monitor instance of course, against whom Darkseid was having a hard time, while Ultraman, essentially a second rate alt reality Supes, was wrecking Anti-Monitor's a**.

Damn, savage

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#22 Posted by Supermanforever (7843 posts) - - Show Bio

@_kingoflatveria: @lord_spectrum:

I guess you skipped the part of OP, where it is stated both Post-Crisis and New 52.

Post crisis Darkseid is not as bad as you think. That Darkseid one shotted Supergirl with his heat vision and vaporised her. So yeah Superman usually dominated him but you are lowballing beyond meassures here.

As for New 52, Darkseid should be thankful that he didn't fight full power Superman, but a massively weakened near chargless Supes and his near fodder league whom full power Supes himself could easily one-shot each member of it and that magic nature of DS's powers played part there too, since many character with above average magic resistance tanked that, like Mister Miracle (yeah that low mid-tier at best New God), Power Girl, Alan Scott and etc...

False at first encounter he definantly fought full powered Superman and one shotted him with omega effect and knocked him of. Also you are wrong about the league beeing one shotted by Superman. Hal jordan, wonder woman, barry allen, shazam and aquaman and so on. All those characters are not getting one shotted and they are defiantly far from fodder. just shows the the lowballing. Alan scott is low tier? lol wut.

In New 52 though, he was having a hard time against Power Girl even though he was spamming those magic beams, still a near equal match, and at the end of the fight, PG was lacking stamina/solar energy but literally was unharmed, while Darkseid got damaged in few places and was bleeding.

Thats your opinion. Darkseid didnt have any trouble whatsoever. Sure she was fast enough to land hits and so on, but thats a feat for powergirl not a lowball for Darkseid. Darkseid was still capable of defeating with merely any effort.

Then we of course have the infamous Post-Ascendance Alan one-shotting Darkseid with physical strike, the same Alan who was stalemated by Power Girl in terms of physical stats, and overpowered PG by of course using the magic.

You mean power girl and supergirl? Two kryptonians who did nothing Alan scott?

And the Anti-Monitor instance of course, against whom Darkseid was having a hard time, while Ultraman, essentially a second rate alt reality Supes, was wrecking Anti-Monitor's a**.

AHahahahahahaahahahaahah what`?`? Ultra man literaly was one shotted and killed by anti monitor. Nice way to cherry picking lowshowing to lowball.

OT stops at surfer.

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#23 Posted by Supermanforever (7843 posts) - - Show Bio

@_kingoflatveria: pfft you mean cherrypicking for lowballing? Mind if i show literaly pis showings of every character in this list?

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#24 Edited by Lord_Spectrum (4244 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever:

This is gonna be fun. :D

Post crisis Darkseid is not as bad as you think.

Oh yeah, still forgetting all those glorious, Darkseid vs Superman fights, don't chya?

That Darkseid one shotted Supergirl with his heat vision and vaporised her. So yeah Superman usually dominated him but you are lowballing beyond meassures here.

Smells like bulls*** here, i don't remember a single instance of Post-Crisis DS one-shotting Supergirl-level opponents without HAX, also Mary Marvel, who is Supergirl-level no sold those beams, as well as Superman always tanked them with moderate effort.

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Also lowballing? HAHAHAHHA, sorry but just because i don't buy that glorious Darkseid wankfest, doesn't mean i lowball. ;D

False at first encounter he definantly fought full powered Superman and one shotted him with omega effect and knocked him of.

True, at first Supes was at full power, but only when he got one-shotted, and you forgot to mention that those damn beams are goddamn magical, that's why he was one-shotted, call me when he actually does that to a being with no magic weakness, oh wait his beams couldn't do jack against Mister Miracle, Power Girl, Alan Scott, - all of these with above average mystic resistance tanked those blasts with moderate effort, - with only Mister Miracle actually being harmed in legs a bit (PG and AS were literally unharmed, not a single blood trace).

Justice League #5, page 10.

Superman gets one-shotted by magic Omega Beams and is taken by Parademons into Apokolips, where as we know thanks to Darkseid War, there is no natural source of solar energy, thus nothing to recharge Supes.

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Later we see, already weakened by Omega Beams, Superman again being tortured/harmed by Apokoliptian tech, which makes already weakened Superman even more weak, in Justice League #6, pages 8, 9, 13 and 14.

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As you can see Superman is still not recovered, no solar energy in Apokolips on top of that to recharge, and he immideatly goes into battle against Darkseid and does quite well, in Justice League #6, pages 15 and 16.

Now if you look at page 16, panel 1 and 2, you can see they go physical and seem rather equal, and then DS uses a bearhug.

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While this version of Superman is powerful, he is officially below Post-Crisis Superman's powerlevel, as it is confirmed in Rebirth, not only that New 52 DC was stated to matched and rivalled by New 52 Superman, they are in the same ballpark of power.

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Also you are wrong about the league beeing one shotted by Superman. Hal jordan, wonder woman, barry allen, shazam and aquaman and so on.

All those characters are not getting one shotted and they are defiantly far from fodder. just shows the the lowballing. Alan scott is low tier? lol wut.

What are you smoking? Shazam was not there, nor did he fight Darkseid, like ever, though he did one-shot his daddy.

Also like it or not, but literally all of these are literally fodder compared to Superman, - are we gonna forget that New 52 Hal was easily getting rekt by Supes, Diana, Orion, - he was literally pure fodder against them when he was fighting them, there is a reason why noone takes New 52 Lanterns seriously nor wants to mention them as if they should be in some dark void, remember that.

Then we have Aquaman, who is Diana level, and but Diana herself is weakling compared to Superman - rememeber the Doomsday? You know that guy that stomped Diana like if she is some average mid-tier. Remember what Supes did to him? LITERALLY RIPPED HIM IN HALF , - the power-level difference is clear as day here, so don't forget that.

All the feats and instances clearly showcase that New 52 Justice League was fodder league, except for Superman of course, because Superman.

Alan scott is low tier? lol wut.

The one that one-shotted Darkseid was stalemated by Power Girl, feats talk it by itself, deal with it, buddy.

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Alan later won by exploiting the juicy magic weakness of kryptonians.

Thats your opinion. Darkseid didnt have any trouble whatsoever. Sure she was fast enough to land hits and so on, but thats a feat for powergirl not a lowball for Darkseid. Darkseid was still capable of defeating with merely any effort.

Playing blind, i see here, hehehe - Darkseid was getting his a** kicked by PG, - literally she was unharmed only lacked stamina/solar energy, while DS was the only who got damaged even though he spammed those magic beams, they still didn't damage Power Girl, - it was a near equal match, buddy.

Note: Before we start, some little info about DS, you see New 52 DS powers come from stealing power of the old gods, which are magic based, so DS's omega beams are actually magic attacks, which should be taken into considiration in Darkseid's fights against Kryptonians.

Earth 2 World's End #25, page 5

As you can see DS fires omega beams to PG, and manages to stagger her a bit.

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But in the continuation of their fight, you can see that those omega beams didn't do any large damage, and that PG outright stalemates Darkseid in physical department for some time.

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DS fires omega beams, then PG makes Darkseid's eye bleed and uppercuts him, and then DS again omega beams her, it seems that finally he was finally getting advantage in the fight. though not easily.

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Darkseid backhands her and later we see her kneeing, but as you can see she has no visible physical damage at all, she was completely unharmed, she was simply out of stamina/solar energy, as well as weakened due to Omega Beam's magical nature.

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Another of ther fights starts in Earth 2 World's End #26, page 7

Where already weakened PG blitzes DS though it affects him, but not that much.

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It continues in Earth 2 World's End, page 8, where PG uppercuts him which makes him bleed.

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Then Darkseid punches PG, making her bleed as well, but not as much as DS, as in later scans, you will see that DS still has blood around his mouth, unlike PG.

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As it continues you can see that the punch didn't stagger PG that much, later DS fires his omega beams and PG tries to dodge, that is the last time we see PG fighting DS.

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You mean power girl and supergirl? Two kryptonians who did nothing Alan scott?

New 52 SG didn't fight Alan, New 52 PG stalemated Alan, before he exploited magic weakness of kryptonians, - scans are above.

AHahahahahahaahahahaahah what`?`? Ultra man literaly was one shotted and killed by anti monitor. Nice way to cherry picking lowshowing to lowball.

OT stops at surfer.

Yeah, he was one-shotted by ANTI-MATTER, which we all know by basic science that upon contact with matter it disintegrates it (though it's incorrect, rather it converts it into gamma energy), which is common sense here, at least comics followed some laws of physics here, but those blasts are useless against god-flesh (Metron, whose natural durability is meh and Darkseid tanked that sh**), like BRB (thanks to Stormbreaker).

And yeah Ultraman was beating his a**, there is no denial to that, AM's physical stats are weak as sh**.

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And yet AM was able to hold his own on near equal footing in terms of physical stats against Darkseid, at this point it is just consistency, Darkseid is weaker than the likes of Superman, but operates on that tier.

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#25 Edited by Emperorb777 (10969 posts) - - Show Bio

Either way at 9.

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#26 Posted by Supermanforever (7843 posts) - - Show Bio

@lord_spectrum: Darkseid was also weakened when they fought after supes was rescued but alright i guess. Then you dont mention how ultraman got killed and so on when antimonitor got serious but alright.

I guess you will keep lowballing so ill just be outta here.

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#27 Posted by Lord_Spectrum (4244 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever:

Darkseid was also weakened when they fought after supes was rescued but alright i guess.

Weakened? How? You mean his damaged eye which he actually healed prior to Superman entering the fight? How's that weakened, when we actually see him heal his wounds?

Then you dont mention how ultraman got killed and so on when antimonitor got serious but alright.

I did mention that, and explained why it worked.

Also desperation and seriousness are 2 different things.

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#28 Posted by phillip33 (3913 posts) - - Show Bio
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#29 Posted by Lvenger (36335 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid stops at 6 or 7, the last 3 rounds decimate Uxas.

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#30 Posted by Simon_the_digger (7054 posts) - - Show Bio

6

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#31 Posted by boogie123 (303 posts) - - Show Bio

@lord_spectrum: Did alan scott have the power of the green like he did against seid when he was stalemated by power girl?

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#32 Posted by agent41 (15235 posts) - - Show Bio

Lmao, he'll be lucky if he even passes 2.

Are you sure?.

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#33 Edited by Lord_Spectrum (4244 posts) - - Show Bio

@boogie123 said:

Did alan scott have the power of the green like he did against seid when he was stalemated by power girl?

Yes.

Against PG he was powered by energies from Multiple Earths like in his fight with DS, in fact at that point of time, it was part of his basic powerset, hence why i said POST-ASCENDANCE version (he has power, but lacks emotions in this form), to add more, he was THE GREEN of the planet on which PG and Alan fought.

On-topic though: I like how noone gives actual reasons how Darkseid beats BRB, let alone beings way above in the gauntlet, just wonderful, the highballing is strong in this one, guess people can't deal with actual reality of DS not being able to beat the likes of Thor/BRB, the guy is not even planetary level unlike them, - he has neither planet busting feats nor planet busting tanking feats, - he ain't tanking a planetbusting produced by BRB, let alone the likes of Surfer and more.

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#34 Posted by EmpressOfDread (12367 posts) - - Show Bio

Clears upto Silver Surfer is not passing Warlock.

@supermanforever: Why were you thinking that post-crisis Darkseid has KOd post-crisis Supergirl? I also think post-crisis DS is actually not far above Supermans level by his showing against him. This is minus of his HAX abilities he showed pre-new 52 reboot. New 52 one is far more powerful, making it composite actually allows him to be more powerful actually.

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#35 Posted by Maalik (737 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel like I could make a solid devils advocate argument for him stopping at surfer, but my knowledge on darkseid isn't great enough so that I'm not guaranteed I won't end up looking like a fool, so I'll play it safe and say he stops at 6.

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#36 Edited by BruceRogers (17167 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever: Post crisis Darkseid is not as bad as you think. That Darkseid one shotted Supergirl with his heat vision and vaporised her.

That never happened. Supergirl was teleported away by Diana just before the beams hit and replaced by ashes to make it look like she had died. This was a part of Clark's plan to trick Darkseid into believe he had killed her and also getting into the fighting mindset from watching his cousin die, thus making him deadlier. Even if it was fake.

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#37 Posted by EmpressOfDread (12367 posts) - - Show Bio

@brucerogers: you are right. However I was asking him maybe he could have had other instance that we dont know about right ?

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#38 Posted by BruceRogers (17167 posts) - - Show Bio

@empressofdread: Well that's the only instance I remember where he outright "vapourised" her, rather than just KOing her.

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#39 Posted by EmpressOfDread (12367 posts) - - Show Bio

@brucerogers: according to my memory too. I doubt post-crisis DS Could one shot kryptonians physically though and I also doubt that there are any scans of Post-Crisis Darkseid koing Supergirl using Omega force.

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@lord_spectrum: Mantis absorbed every last bit of power that Hal Jordan had in his ring then released it all in one blast on Darkseid and he laughed it off until it all the energy had been expended.

Also,

  • Mary was massively amplified in power
  • Darkseid, as revealed, actually wanted to use Mary

    Mary Marvel had in addition to the power of Black Adam, the Power of Isis + magical power fed to her from Eclipso, she was amplified to a higher degree. Darkseid amplified her later because it was revealed he was using her as a pawn. He did not want to kill Mary at all.

marvel, i'd need to see more of him not defeating "supergirl" level beings.. WITHOUT using superman fight with him.. pretty sure he was still a team buster in post crisis continuity


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#42 Posted by BobbitsC (40 posts) - - Show Bio

Loses to Surfer

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#43 Posted by iknowwhoyouare (1631 posts) - - Show Bio

Damn

Losing before 8? He's really this weak?

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#44 Posted by Thoromdil (1808 posts) - - Show Bio

PC Darkseid clears.

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#45 Posted by Helloman (28525 posts) - - Show Bio

He stops at 7.

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#46 Posted by Sophisticated_Ignorance (2182 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 7 and everything past that is a slaughter.

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#47 Posted by jagernutt (16214 posts) - - Show Bio

Stop's at Thanos.

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#48 Edited by Lord_Spectrum (4244 posts) - - Show Bio

@boogie123:

Mantis absorbed every last bit of power that Hal Jordan had in his ring then released it all in one blast on Darkseid and he laughed it off until it all the energy had been expended.

That's sweet and cool, but irrelevant, due the fact that it is feat for Pre-Crisis Darkseid, and if you actually read the OP properly, you would know that this thread involves Post-Crisis and New 52 variations.

Mary was massively amplified in power

Sorry, but this is bulls**.

Mary was not amplified, - tell me have you actually read the stories involving her? I'll do a small recap here - she lost her original powers from Greek Pantheon, due to laws of magic changin and Power of Shazam needeing a proper reestabilishment in this age of magic, - she then suddenly met Black Adam, who gave her FRACTION/PORTION of his power to her.

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Darkseid, as revealed, actually wanted to use Mary

Darkseid was the one to start the fight, so irrelevant overall, and she still no sold those beams, which is the point here.

Mary Marvel had in addition to the power of Black Adam,

Only a fraction/portion of it, which were replacing her original lost powers.

the Power of Isis + magical power fed to her from Eclipso, she was amplified to a higher degree.

Another bulls***. She didn't have the power of Isis, - another indication of you not knowing the lore, - the power of Isis is contained inside the amulet which Adam gave Adrianna, - Mary didn't have the said amulet, nor did she encounter it, - hell she PRIOR to losing her powers, alongside CM Jr. shattered that amulet in many pieces and hid across the world, - in fact the main plot point of Black Adam's solo series was the gather all those shattered pieces of amulet to restore Isis.

As for Eclipso, that's pure fanfiction right there, - the only power she had is a portion of Adam's, simple as that.

Darkseid amplified her later because it was revealed he was using her as a pawn. He did not want to kill Mary at all.

The hell are you smoking? Darkseid didn't amplify her, - he only returned those dark powers which she gave up on back to her, simple as that.

Also lol at pawn part, he wanted to use her, that is true, but her power was enough to stagger Darkseid and no sell his beams, and don't forget that he was the one to actually start the fight, and WAS INTENDING to fight her, so cut that bull out of here.

pretty sure he was still a team buster in post crisis continuity

Such a teambuster, that he was getting rekt or stalemated by Superman too many times, such a teambuster that he was stated by Dan Jurgerns (writer of Superman) to be weaker than Superman, such a teambuster that he was killed by Orion in 1v1 fair fight, and Orion =/= Superman.

Darkseid is not teambuster tier on regular basis, he is your basic Superman-tier villain with some HAX, - the wankforce is strong with Darkseid, as usual here.

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#49 Posted by PseudocodeUCLA (157 posts) - - Show Bio

clears