Daredevil VS Green Arrow (Rules)

" @k4tzm4n said:

@Vance Astro:  Bullseye also had a few chances to kill Daredevil ;)  I think it's fair to say they've both been holding back.  "

That's what I said k4tzm4n sir guy dude brotha pimp! "

"@k4tzm4n: My apologies but i felt that was a rude comment he made towards me "

" @Decoy Elite said:

" @Final Arrow: The only other marksmen on GA's level that DD fought are Bullseye(who holds back and doesn't use trick arrows like Ollie) and Hawkeye(who he fought a long time ago, and should have had trouble against).  I feel that Ollie can take a slight majority as long as he uses his head. He's accurate enough to cause DD trouble with his normal arrows, add in the trick arrows he might just take the upper hand in the majority of fights. "

Bullseye doesn't ALWAYS miss Daredevil because he's holding back.Bullseye is Marvel's best marksman but he can only control where and how he disperses the projectile.He doesn't control the projectile itself.If Bullseye was equipped with weapons he didn't have to throw he would probably hit DD more times than he does.Frank Castle doesn't seem to have much problem shooting Daredevil.In fact i think Frank is a better Marksman than Ollie.There doesn't seem to be too many characters he can't hit period. "

yeah it very well could be

"Didn't say Bulleye misses only because he holds back. I know DD is great at dodging and it'd be a tough fight but, given Ollie's own insane accuracy, and his trick arrows I think he can pull out a 6 out of 10 majority of wins. Punisher is a bit inconsistent when it comes to DD, on one hand he's able to tag DD in fights, but on the other I've seem him get owned by DD as well. I'm not sure about Frank's accuracty overall because I don't really read a lot of Punisher stuff. "

" @Decoy Elite said:

"Didn't say Bulleye misses only because he holds back. I know DD is great at dodging and it'd be a tough fight but, given Ollie's own insane accuracy, and his trick arrows I think he can pull out a 6 out of 10 majority of wins. Punisher is a bit inconsistent when it comes to DD, on one hand he's able to tag DD in fights, but on the other I've seem him get owned by DD as well. I'm not sure about Frank's accuracty overall because I don't really read a lot of Punisher stuff. "

I've never seen DD own Frank and also I've seen maybe 3 fights where Frank purposely missed DD so he wouldn't kill him. "

I remember one fight in Bendis's run, but that may have been PIS.   Anyway, I'm will to say DD win the majority, but I will never say this is a stomp. :/ "

" @Decoy Elite said:

I remember one fight in Bendis's run, but that may have been PIS.   Anyway, I'm will to say DD win the majority, but I will never say this is a stomp. :/ "

You know it's a stomp..admit it :) "

I like Daredevil but i`m gonna go with Ollie on this one
 
Green Arrow, FTW

" @Vance Astro said:

" @Decoy Elite said:

I remember one fight in Bendis's run, but that may have been PIS.   Anyway, I'm will to say DD win the majority, but I will never say this is a stomp. :/ "

You know it's a stomp..admit it :) "

NEVER!!!!! "

What does the sonic arrow do, exactly? :/

" What does the sonic arrow do, exactly? :/ "

" What does the sonic arrow do, exactly? :/ "

 I Don't wanna Say it's a stomp but DD's Feats to me put him well in the Meta Human physically and toppled on to his Fighting Skills hes hard to be touched. Honestly I blame Millers run for Downplaying DD's abilities(still a classic run and one of my faves). Ive seen GA do some sick stuff too but as I said before he is not on par with DD. I'd go with Connor for a Fair fight.
 
Hers some scans Just because lol  

" Sonic arrow is a win for green arrow "

" @mavfan626 said:

" Sonic arrow is a win for green arrow "

Too bad he doesn't have one here. "

DD

With a sonic arrow I might have to sway toward GA, Daredevil could probably smell explosive material in an explosive arrow so he could avoid that, but it depends if Matt can tell Ollie's sonic arrow from a regular one, if he can't then he is probably going to get caught in it, if he can tell he might be able to avoid it.  I'm only going with Ollie because Matt was taken down by a sonic weapon in his own series until Black Widow saved him. 

" With a sonic arrow I might have to sway toward GA, Daredevil could probably smell explosive material in an explosive arrow so he could avoid that, but it depends if Matt can tell Ollie's sonic arrow from a regular one, if he can't then he is probably going to get caught in it, if he can tell he might be able to avoid it.  I'm only going with Ollie because Matt was taken down by a sonic weapon in his own series until Black Widow saved him.  "

" @FinalStar86 said:

" With a sonic arrow I might have to sway toward GA, Daredevil could probably smell explosive material in an explosive arrow so he could avoid that, but it depends if Matt can tell Ollie's sonic arrow from a regular one, if he can't then he is probably going to get caught in it, if he can tell he might be able to avoid it.  I'm only going with Ollie because Matt was taken down by a sonic weapon in his own series until Black Widow saved him.  "

Just because Ollie has he arrow doesn't mean he'll be able to use it.GA also doesn't know Daredevil so he doesn't even know that's his weakness.The Sonic arrow may be his last resort unless he's automatically assuming that Daredevil outclasses him in some way.He won't know until Daredevil does something.By then it could be to late.If you seen what Daredevil did to that sniper he detected getting ready to shoot at him.I think Ollie will share the same fate.Matt may have been taken down by a sonic weapon before but what about all the times he wasn't? (Which is most of the time).Daredevil's billy clubs haven't been taken away and DD is just as good with them as Cap and Bucky are with that shield.I think he has a better chance of closing the gap before he has to worry about arrows than Ollie does of using a sonic arrow on him.Ollie will want to use range.He's not that good of a fighter.DD doesn't even have to hit GA with the Billy clubs but he won't be standing still when DD throws them he will have to move or dodge which will break his focus so he will have to be quick enough to still get out and arrow and shoot it.Which I don't believe he will.DD will be up on his ass.(No homo) "

" @Final Arrow said:

Actually the issue decoy elite is talking about was after one year later where GA retrained himself from the basic's up, he even was trained by one of DS former masters!!! He also went on to face the entire group of masters from all round the world to test his fighting skills. I just wanted to point this out as this is a common misconception that Ollie sucks at h2h, since one year later he is actually a very good fighter  it just never gets used. As for the fight against DS the only reason Ollie won was because he planned the whole thing, he tricked DS into taking a hit out on him and set up taking him down, It was also later brought to light that DS thought that this was a possibility and had planned  for it's event making sure he was placed in the same prison as Drakon so he could discover what Ollie had been taught on the island.   Any way for this battle I give it to DD, even with Ollies skill's DD has faced better fighters and marksmen and managed to pull the win I see no reason why he could not do it here. "

I don't think Ollie sucking at h2h is a misconception.It's backed up by a severe lack of feats over his career.Also the "not A-list" and the "Doesn't have his own comic" excuse can't be used because he's a pretty well known DC character,he's had his own book and hundreds of appearances and he's also older than alot of heroes as far as when he was created.
 

" @Vance Astro said:

" @Final Arrow said:

Actually the issue decoy elite is talking about was after one year later where GA retrained himself from the basic's up, he even was trained by one of DS former masters!!! He also went on to face the entire group of masters from all round the world to test his fighting skills. I just wanted to point this out as this is a common misconception that Ollie sucks at h2h, since one year later he is actually a very good fighter  it just never gets used. As for the fight against DS the only reason Ollie won was because he planned the whole thing, he tricked DS into taking a hit out on him and set up taking him down, It was also later brought to light that DS thought that this was a possibility and had planned  for it's event making sure he was placed in the same prison as Drakon so he could discover what Ollie had been taught on the island.   Any way for this battle I give it to DD, even with Ollies skill's DD has faced better fighters and marksmen and managed to pull the win I see no reason why he could not do it here. "

I don't think Ollie sucking at h2h is a misconception.It's backed up by a severe lack of feats over his career.Also the "not A-list" and the "Doesn't have his own comic" excuse can't be used because he's a pretty well known DC character,he's had his own book and hundreds of appearances and he's also older than alot of heroes as far as when he was created.
 

My @ replies are not working or I would have replied to this LOL. Your right Ollie over the years H2H feats suck, that true his retraining only happened during the 52 saga, so tats not really his whole career. I never said Ollie never gets used e.g. A-List I said his training never gets used, it seems to be one the of the few things writers now ignore about him. in one issue you he is able to trick DS and be one step a head of the master of tactics the next issue he is marrying BC and looking like a fool while doing it (yes I know it was not really him) Ollie has never really been given the chance bar facing deathstroke to show his stuff. Green Arrow happens to be my thing he was the orignal funder of the JLA and I actually think he should be counted as a-list and is only now starting to get the stories he should have gotten years ago. He has the potential to be a much darker character like he was back when marvel did their "adult" run of comics that gave us great stories like the long bow huntress.  As for this battle I think DD takes it, as I said in my first post , I still stand by that Bullseye is a better shot then him and that DD could win this fight. the Sonic Arrow could be knocked back at Ollie, this is a man who caught a playing card before it cut someone's throat, DD feats are incredible. I just don't see Ollie winning and Im a massive fan of Ollies, points at Green Arrows page. "

I think GA gets the win thanks to the Sonic Arrow and the Explosive Arrow. He doesn't need to hit DareDevil with those to disorient him and then all he needs is either one good shot with a normal arrow or get up close quick enough to finish him off.

daredevil

"This match comes down to that sonic arrow. If GA leads with it and can manage to follow it up with glue and explosive arrow, then the odds could shift in his favor. He had really better make that sonic arrow count for something though. He only has one in this scenario, and Matt can often anticipate when someone is going to fire a shot just before the shot is released. Although, he doesn't necessarily have to hit him with it for that sonic to work.  DareDevil is very precise at a distance with those clubs of his as well. If any remember the Kevin Smith "Marvel Knights" display of skill ... when he threw that club at a sniper and took him out in that building. It went straight through the window leaving a small hole in the glass and split the gunner's head open, then projected straight back out the very same hole in the glass and landed perfectly in his hand. Hell of a trick shot, if I remember that correctly!!!Saying that they don't have prior knowledge of each other is giving room to assume that maybe he doesn't lead with the sonics. If that's the case, then DareDevil takes this for sure ... in my opinion. "

DD needs sound to see so if the Sonic Arrow is shot next to DD he will be blind, then GA shoots the Glue Arrow at him. Then he comes up with the katana and cuts off a hand or foot plus an ear and it's over (also he has done this kind of stuff before). THEN IT'S OVER!

Daredevil takes down Bullseye on a regular basis so he can handle ranged attacks. If GA has knowledge of Devil he may open with the sonic arrow which would give him a good chance in this, but without knowledge DD takes this.

Green Arrow via Trick Arrows

If it weren't for the Sonic arrows I'd say DD.