Daredevil vs Batman villains

Daredevil

vs

Ras al ghul, Catwoman, Joker, Harley

standard gear random encounter

Team will overwhelm him. This isnt really fair. He would beat any of them individually though.

I'd argue he can beat them all. Catwoman, Joker and Harley aren't doing anything and Ras isn't that good in H2H.

@all-father: Well Joker and Harley do possess gear that could mess him up. Like the Joker gas, assuming he still uses it. I just feel the numbers are too much.

Eh. N52 Joker was giving Batman a (sorta) decent fight, and Ra's whooped Slade's ass in a sword fight. Plus Joker gas

@causeimbatman: Wasnt Joker amped in that instance?

Yeah, by dionesium. But AFAIK he still has the amp, like Batman

@causeimbatman: I see.

Matt spanks them. The only real threat is Ra's, and he's not much of a threat. Catwoman is significantly outclassed in every way, especially skill, and Joker and Harley are fodder who get one shot.

I think it may depend on if it's Pre-52, New-52, and/or Rebirth.

Catwoman oneshots and blitzes

@causeimbatman:

and Ra's whooped Slade's ass in a sword fight

It was a sword fight. IIRC Ra's doesn't have H2H feats that put him on Matts level at all.

@all-father: he isn't as skilled in that aspect, but here he has standard gear. So he has his sword to use top tier swordsmanship

Daredevil with extreme difficulty.

Matt could use his Billy club to disarm him early in the fight.

@all-father: Depends. How fast can he throw it?

Catwoman and Ra's beat him by themselves

Ra's carries the team while the other punching bags distract Matt.

@causeimbatman:

How fast can he throw it?

Fast enough to disarm a mind controlled kid before he kills himself

Daredevil Vol 4 #8

I've never seen anything impressive speed wise from Ras to say he can match Matt when it comes to speed.

What's Catwoman exactly going to do?

@all-father: speedwise Ra’s fought Deathstroke evenly, left afterimages while using acrobatics and moved in half blurs. I doubt Matt is tagging Ra’s with billy club throws

@all-father: She can do anything he can, just slightly worse. If he also has to deal with someone as skilled as Ra's, he will be very open and susceptible to her speed and prowess, along with her outright deadly whip.

@causeimbatman:

I doubt Matt is tagging Ra’s with billy club throws

I doubt Ra's will even tag Matt to begin with. Even so, once Matt closes the distance Ra's is getting dropped pretty easily.

Catwomans speed is chump change compared to Daredevil. Her whip isn't doing anything either.

Team

@cdiddyman911: I dont think Selina is comparable to Matt in any way.

Not really seeing how Daredevil counters Selina's Flash-level reflexes.

@all-father: Ra's is tagging him. Ra's has left afterimages and fought Deathstroke evenly, show me Matt being so untouchable to characters of this speed calibre. And its not going to be easy to beat Ra's. In his fight against Slade, he beat him without too much trouble.

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And with Joker and the others distracting him, Ra's getting a kill shot on Matt distracting him isn't going to be difficult. The sword should casually pierce him too considering:

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• Scan 1: Cuts Etrigan. (Trinity Vol. 2 Annual #1)
• Scan 2: Chops off a Parademon's head. (Robin Rises: Omega)

Then there's Ra's blades. They've pierced Bizzaro II, who has piercing feats like no selling bullets that were piercing tanks.

They tagged Artemis too, even tho Artemis is a very casual bullet timer. She's moved her axe a full 360, deflecting like 14 bullets. So this is a possible one-shot move. Ra's alone seems to have a pretty solid chance to win. Then there's Joker. Joker Gas is an option, and I don't see him getting insta oneshotted due to his pain tolerance that was enough to find his face getting cut off "orgasmic". I dunno about Harley, but Catwoman has casually dodged bullets, tanked getting punched through a concrete wall, stomped Tim Drake. She isn't doing much, but she helps as a distraction. I see the team winning without too much trouble

@causeimbatman: I wont say Matt will be completely untouchable to Ra's with a sword but definitely not on the basis on the latter leaving after images, since they arent really quantifiable besides telling us that the character is moving fast. Almost every street leveller has displayed that. This also applies to punching or kicking at blur speeds.

@brucerogers: afterimages are essentially in the FTE range. Mind still didn't register your new movements or something, IIRC

@all-father: That's just not true, their speed and agility is easily comparable at least. He might be faster, but he's not some speedster in comparison, and her whip has harmed people with much more durability then Matt.

Daredevil gets busted from the gear of the team. Ra's skill and experience, as well as his underrated stealth feats is a near match for Bats

Also, Joker goes from being really good at H2H to being awful at it, his feats are nowhere near consistent, so gear is the big factor here, and it's too much for Matt

Selina speed blitzes and then solos her team with her new power

@cdiddyman911:

That's just not true, their speed and agility is easily comparable at least.

They're not comparable in category. Matt is astronomically faster and more agile.

and her whip has harmed people with much more durability then Matt.

I didn't say her whip isn't harming him i said her whip isn't going to help her.

@causeimbatman

Ra's has left afterimages

Nearly every street leveler has done that.

and fought Deathstroke evenly,

In a sword fight. Ra's would beat Matt in a sword fight 10/10 but this isn't one.

show me Matt being so untouchable to characters of this speed calibre.

Show me one New 52/Rebirth Ra's bullet timing feat.

And its not going to be easy to beat Ra's.

It is. Ra's has nothing on Matt when it comes in H2H. In fact he doesn't have anything on Elektra in those terms.

In his fight against Slade, he beat him without too much trouble.

Again, in a Swordfight.

And with Joker and the others distracting him,

Joker is getting one shotted. He's not even going to cause a nuisance.

The sword should casually pierce him

When did i ever say it won't pierce him?

They tagged Artemis too, even tho Artemis is a very casual bullet timer.

They tagged her because she was getting dog piled by LoS Ninjas.

@causeimbatman: Not really. FTE speed is FTE speed. I dont think that is the same as leaving after images. They just denote unknown speed which really isnt enough for Matt.

@all-father:

Nearly every street leveler has done that.

Sure, doesn't change that I need a feat of DD being untouchable to someone who left afterimages

In a sword fight. Ra's would beat Matt in a sword fight 10/10 but this isn't one

I was talking about the fact that Ra's was matching Slade's speed evenly

Show me one New 52/Rebirth Ra's bullet timing feat.

He doesn't have any. His feats are mostly by scaling

It is. Ra's has nothing on Matt when it comes in H2H. In fact he doesn't have anything on Elektra in those terms.

Good thing Ra's has a sword

Again, in a Swordfight.

I know, it shows Ra's swordsmanship skills. I need a feat of Matt handling a swordsman of that caliber. The thing is, a sword gives Ra's an advantage. It means he can just strait up cut and/or slice DD if he punches, instead of parrying/blocking H2H. How can Daredevil handle that?

Joker is getting one shotted. He's not even going to cause a nuisance.

You ignored Joker Gas and this:

due to his pain tolerance that was enough to find his face getting cut off "orgasmic"

When did i ever say it won't pierce him?

Notice I said "casually". My point is he can pierce him rather effortlessly. A kill shot mid combat is very possible unless you have a showing of Matt handling a Ra's lvl swordsman

They tagged her because she was getting dog piled by LoS Ninjas.

What are you talking about? They were fighting her but its not like all of them came at once and tried to restrain her or something, if you look at the scan she was looking at Ra's meaning she saw the blades and failed to react to them

What about this?

Mind still didn't register your new movements or something, IIRC

@causeimbatman: Sorry but I am not quite sure what that means. Daredevil won't be completely untouchable to Ra's like I said, but he can evade him for a good amount of time. Like he did against Captain America, who is faster than Ra's.

@brucerogers: It means there is a couple seconds delay to what you really see and what your mind registers. The mind actually fills in the gaps. See how that makes it FTE lvl speed? As for evading him, what do you mean by that? Just dodge his hits?

@causeimbatman: Okay but my point in multiple image speed being the norm for mid to high level street level characters still stands. And Steve still failed to subdue Matt or land a single solid hit even when ambushing him with anti radar gear. Now, I have no doubt that he would have landed hits eventually but it's still more than enough to suggest he can do the same against Ra's. At least Mano a Mano.

Team in a massive stomp.

@brucerogers: Sure, it’s the norm. I was just looking for feats of Matt being nigh untouchable to FTE lvl characters. Now for the Cap feat, Steve didn’t have a sword. Ra’s does. Meaning, he can just stay in en garde position and wait for Matt to strike instead. What this means is, when having a sword you have reach advantage and instead of blocking/parrying H2H, you can just cut (heck, even chop - considering Ra’s piercing feats) your opponent’s fist instead. This is an advantage Cap didn’t have.

I think Dare Devil could defeat most of his villains.

@causeimbatman:

I was talking about the fact that Ra's was matching Slade's speed evenly

A Deathstroke who wasn't even at his best and was beaten by Red Hood and got slapped around by Batman.

He doesn't have any. His feats are mostly by scaling

Via scaling Daredevil is a speedster compared to Ra's.

Good thing Ra's has a sword

A sword will do you little to no good when your opponent can paralyze your arm with one hit.

I know, it shows Ra's swordsmanship skills. I need a feat of Matt handling a swordsman of that caliber.

Matt dodged a clean swipe from Wolverine claws. Given that Wolverine is a pretty much a speedster when it comes Street levelers, it's safe to say Matt is more than capable of taking out Ra's with 1 one move, 3 tops.

You ignored Joker Gas

He won't get a chance to use that. Joker, Harley and Catwoman are all fodder here and can all be one shotted.

due to his pain tolerance that was enough to find his face getting cut off "orgasmic"

Matt has dropped people who are vastly more durable and have much more damage soak than Joker.

Notice I said "casually". My point is he can pierce him rather effortlessly.

Obviously. It'll pierce him just like it'll pierce any ordinary human being.

Matt handling a Ra's lvl swordsman

Since you asked, Wolverine. Show me Ra's handling someone with Matts level of Hand to hand combat.

What are you talking about? They were fighting her but its not like all of them came at once and tried to restrain her or something,

No. You can clearly see they were being attacked by Ninjas from all sides and weren't able to react.

@causeimbatman: Steve didn't have a sword but he did have Matt's extra long Billy club. He failed to land a hit with that and only tagged him due to the thing's cable wire, which still failed to do him any good as Matt effortlessly escaped it. Replace Ra's with a sword and it's basically the same thing. And worth noting that he was just tying to talk to Cap, rather than fight him. I can post scans later if need be.

@brucerogers: no, it’s not the same thing. Ra’s sword is a piercing weapon he can use to cut, or chop if Matt strikes mid combat. The point of it being long is that it helps as a defensive weapon. Someone comes and punches you? Sword can pierce him easy instead of blocking. Ra’s doesn’t have to stay on the offensive, defensive is all he needs.

Make this a gauntlet.