Daredevil (Netflix) vs Batman (BvS)

@stormdriven: Thanks for your input.

Okay, so you didn't actually watch it then. Check.

@samjackson: No problem

@omnicrono: I have, how about you show or stat the feats instead of dodging it? Cap has more feats, Batman without the suit doesn't have the feats to match him.

Batman with the suit only has like 15 minutes of feats.

Please stop dodging and prove Batman has feats on caps level.

@omnicrono: feats for batman can throw a motorcycle in the same fashion cap did while riding the motorcycle then flip and throw the motorcycle in the same military jeep.

Once Nightwing makes his theatrical debut and Red Hood makes his theatrical, then you can have your Daredevil and Punisher fight. As it stands now, DCEU Batman is a monster and way too much for ol horn head to handle.

Batman and it's no contest lmao. This borders spite with standard gear.

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Batman wins

Batman takes it.

On a side note, Bruce is no where near as strong as Cap. The striking gap between the two is closer, but still Cap is better.

Anyone who disagrees...

Batman, easily.

If you've seen BvS this isn't a debate, Batman kills him.

@stormdriven: But there's no need for Doomsday to hold back, and considering that he was in his third stage if evolving, how is it that he didn't even jump and lung faster than his previous evolving stage? It doesn't make sense considering that Doomsday didn't hold back, there's no reason for him to hold back, it was a mindless beast so I don't see why he didn't lung towards Batman that fast, if not faster. It doesn't make sense, Doomsday was moving faster and faster for each time evolving. I mean, he jumped from Stryker's Island and reached Metropolis in seconds in his third stage of evolving, so he did have a consistent speed.

@samjackson: Doesn't matter wether or not Batman only had to pull the trigger, he pulled it after Doomsday lunged at him, meaning that an impulse from his brain moved fast enough, much faster than the limit of real life, to pull the trigger before Doomsday reached him This what you learn in like, 9th grade or something.

@jashro44 Can you explain how Daredevil's senses work in the series when it comes to evading bullets. I just said it, but @samjackson won't believe me, perhaps I've said something wrong or forgetten something, so can you please explain how his senses work when it comes to evading bullets in the series? What I've said is that Daredevil's senses allows him to anticipate someone's shots and therefore bullet time, as in anticipating when someone's going to pull the trigger and then move out of the way right before someone shoots. Is that not the way Daredevil's evaded bullets by the use of his senses, or am I forgetting or mistaking something?

Do you really believe Warner/DC will make Batman's feat deteriorate? Batman is their money maker...
He said this not because of their physical abilities, but because he captured and interrogated some thugs and none of them gave the information he needed.....

@matchesmalone21: that is why I said might "MIGHT"

this fight is unfair batman stomps

I haven't decided on a winner yet, but Daredevil was able to withstand blows from Kingpin during his battles against him in season 1. Daredevil took the last fight. Kingpin has been shown to be strong enough to throw adult men around quite effortlessly. I'd say it's comparable to what I saw Batman doing in BvS.

That being said, I'm not sure DD has an answer for inflicting damage to Batman through this uber armor Snyder has put Batman in.

Just imagine Batfleck being Kingpin but with actual fighting skill.

Devil had really trouble against someone strong as Fisk. Batfleck is at least strong as Fisk (Batleck my opinion is stronger, just see the fight against Superman, how he was strong enough to throw him around easily) but much faster, much skilled in martial arts, with reflexes able to dodging hits of a shotgun at close range, and a body armor more durable then Devil's armor.

Batman destroys. Daredevil's punches don't even connect and he pulls them all.

batfleck

@usha: I saw the movie. Batman definitely displayed martial arts skill, but Snyder seemed much more focused on Batman's raw strength. Batman did not seem to be either as skilled or as interested in using a wider range of martial arts. It was interesting to note that Batman's training was displayed as strength-focused and not skill-focused. Again, he's definitely more skilled than Kingpin, based on the feats I've seen, but I wonder if he'd be able to land any hits on DD. It's DD's evasion versus Batman's raw tanking ability based on that suit.

Yes to Batman beating Murdock

A discerningly grim no to Batman remotely matching or equalling MCU Cap.

Batfleck could matching the classic Cap.

@deranged_midget: Why not? He punched a guy's head and his head got sent flying down and penetrated through planks, and also the kicking feat where he kicked a guy in the head (not even his torso) and sent him flying 15ft away. A hit on the head concentrates the force only on the head, so for Batman to send someone flying 15ft away by kicking someone in the head definitely equals Cap striking feats of punching or kicking someone 30ft with s hit to the torso. There's also the one where he grappled on to a guy with his grapnel gun, the guy flyed towards Batman and Batman punched the guy and sent the guy 20ft away with his fist. It would require a huge amount of force just to stop the guy going any further, let alone send him 20ft back. Other than raw strenght, Batman's physicality matches Cap's, and he isn't that far behind Cap in raw strenght. Just my opinion, but can you elaborate? Cap's got better agility, strenght and debatably fighting skills, but Batman's not far behind.

You know why they said DCCU Batman can't be (yet at least) as MCU Cap? Because he never threw away a motorcycle (Avengers AOU) with his raw strength. Anyway, I agree with you, the striking power is the same, it's obvious.

@alexander505: Yeah, that's the thing. A character is suddenly superior just because they got an established history. I agree with raw strenght, Cap's better than Batman in raw strenght. I do think that Cap > Batman in a good fight, but not that Batman isn't comparable at the least.

I remember the opening scene in the first episode of season one showing this. I don't know if what you said was outright stated in the series but that is how comic daredevil works so your probably right:

Cap has more feats, obviously, DCCU Batman is just started, so we need more time to have a better view, but what we seen in BVS is already enough to put him above MCU Devil.

@jashro44: Yeah, that's what I thought. I can check episode one. Thanks.

@alexander505: I understand.

@jashro44 said:

@captain_batman_ftw said:

@jashro44 Can you explain how Daredevil's senses work in the series when it comes to evading bullets. I just said it, but @samjackson won't believe me, perhaps I've said something wrong or forgetten something, so can you please explain how his senses work when it comes to evading bullets in the series? What I've said is that Daredevil's senses allows him to anticipate someone's shots and therefore bullet time, as in anticipating when someone's going to pull the trigger and then move out of the way right before someone shoots. Is that not the way Daredevil's evaded bullets by the use of his senses, or am I forgetting or mistaking something?

I remember the opening scene in the first episode of season one showing this. I don't know if what you said was outright stated in the series but that is how comic daredevil works so your probably right:

I know how Matt powers work. I didn't reply to that part of your post because you said the same thing I said. If he doesn't sense something or not know its there how can he be prepared for it. I said this to you in a previous post. But now since @jashro44 is here maybe he can help These are the problems we aren't agreeing on..

1. Bruce is supersonic in reactions because he grapple hooked out of the way of Doomsday lunge... Even though his grapple gun was out and already aimed before Doomsday lunged. And the scene shows Doomsday look at Bruce than Bruce pulling out his grapple gun and aiming it and the next scene show Doomsday lunging and then Bruce being pulled away.
2. Bruce has more experience because he's been Batman for 20 years in Gotham and captured the Suicide Squad... Even though we no context behind how he captured the SS or if he had help.
3. Bruce warehouse scene is comparable to Caps elevator scene... Even though Bruce had more room, had weapons, a bullet proof suit and got tagged a lot more even overwhelmed at one point.
4. Bruce has comparable skill to Cap even though he has one showing and in that one showing he did worst than Cap ever did and with more gear.
5. Doomsday is faster than a bullet and he's always faster than a bullet whenever he moves.
6. Bruce's reactions are better than Matt because he avoided Doomsday (he even admitted he didn't do it under his whole power).

I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong so If I am please tell me Jash.

@samjackson:I haven't seen the movie so I can't really be much help at the moment. Reading through the discussion about doomsday and batman I think what @stormdriven said makes the most sense. Plot can play a hefty role in movies as much as it does in comics but again I still need to see batman vs superman.

No problem.

About this Doomsday thing, I already seen the movie twice, and Batman dodges three times Doomsday's attacks actually.

@alexander505: I said that. Two times with the grappling hook and the third time he dropped a smoke bomb and jumped off the fire escape

With the scene against the cop that shots to him with the shotgun at close range, we have, for now, the best feats of DCCU Batman about his speed/reflexes. He's really fast.

@alexander505: Except the cop was terrified was shooting everyone (he even almost hit his own partner). And at close range shotgun rounds barely spread if at all. But even I said that was his best feat a lot better than the Doomsday feat IMO.

@samjackson: He pulled the trigger after Doomsday lunged at him, that's the whole point of that. His brain reacted to it, and Daredevil's never reacted to something that fast. I don't even care about what pulled him away, he was the one who reacted to it. I'm not even saying he used his agility to move put of the way, I did at first but then I remembered what actually happened, and him reacting to it is the whole point, nothing else. If you can't understand that or you misinterpret which it is ehat you're doing here, then sure. Agree to disagree.

Also, the same thing counts for the Hydra agents in the elevator scene. They also had limited space whereas Cap could just stand in he same place and throw around punches as RBT said. Also, in the end when it was only him and Rumlow left, Cap missed a punch because Rumlow dodged it and tazed him twice. Rumlow was one man. All the times Batman got tagged were either when he was fighting multiple opponents at the same time or he wasn't aware of them. Example, he tpinned a mercenary to the floor and pummeled his face and then another mercenary came and shot him on the back of his head twice rapidly when Batman wasn't even aware of him. All the times he got tagged were either because of those two reasons, whereas Cap faced Rumlow at last and he not only missed but got tagged twice. Batman never got tagged a single time when he went up against a single thug. Hell, the opponents Bruce faced actually charged him all the same time, but when he faced one person at a time, he literally punched the guy's head through the floor.

Have Cap in that situation and he'd get tagged more times considering that all of the mercenaries in small groups charged Batman at the same time. Example, when he ran to a group of mercenaries of four, he fought four at the same time. Cap would get tagged by this.

Hell, he was even overwhelmed by a single mercenary on the ship in Winter Soldier. And no, don't even say that it wasn't overwhelming when Cap was at a total disadvantage and he had to stand down because the mercenary had the upper hand. Anyone who watched that scene understands that, common sense is the only thing needed to understand that the mercenary had him there, a single fodder.

Batman in little to no effort

I agree, Matt doesn't have any feats that can match (in this case speed/reflexes) with what Batfleck did in the movie, the Doomsday scene is clear.

I like how you're ignoring everything else now. But just two questions left... How was Doomsday lung towards Bruce? If Bruce moving his finger before Doomsday got to him is impressive then how come when Matt moved his hand when Frank shooting him isn't equally impressive? Both their brains sent signals for them to move right? Going by your logic after all..

@samjackson: It's not my logic, this is a fact within biology, and I'm no expert in biology but this is the shit you get thaught at in 9th grade. Daredevil moved out of the way before Frank shot, it's called bullet timing, it's how he used his senses to an advantage when someone has guns. Why do you think that Matt got shot in the head? Because his senses didn't anticipate the shots and therefore he couldn't bullet time. This instance alone proves that Matt bullet times, never mind the fact that all the times he evades bullets is because of bullet timing. I mean, in the first 15 minutes of the first episode of season one, it was literally shown to us that Daredevil bullet times, not reacts to the speed of a bullet, hence why he was shot by Punisher in the head.

@samjackson: I'll answer those later. Just need to do something first quick

Most of these characters are aim dodgers not actual bullet dodgers. Your logic says that Bruce has faster reactions because his brained allowed him to pull a trigger before doomsday lunged. Matt was a few feat away and his hand still managed to get up in front of his face. Bruce was further away than Matt was from Frank and Matt still moved more of his body did Bruce did. All Bruce did was press a trigger lol going by your logic Matt did the same thing but better seeing how we know how fast a bullet is but we have no idea how fast Doomsday was lunging. If Bruce had supersonic reactions he wouldn't have been shot in the back of his head MULTIPLE times. His grappling hook would not have been shot out of his hands. If Bruce was supersonic he would've NEVER gotten tagged by those Mercs.

And don't get rude with me I've been respectful this entire debate on two threads. Even after you repeatedly lied about multiple and tried to change what happened to fit your argument. First you were trying to say Bruce moved like a blur, then you tried to say Bruce straight up dodged Doomsday (without the grappling hook), then you tried to say Bruce made that armor on his own in a day even though Alfred was shown working on the helmet in the beginning of the movie. The fact that you ignored everything else you were proven wrong on instead of admitting you were wrong just shows the kind of debater you are. You won't change your mind no matter what evidence is present before you. Its really no reason at all to debate against ppl like you.

Don't even bother I'll let Jash or whoever user read our debate and be the judge. Its no point to further this debate.

Again bats only feat was taking out the warehouse. He didn't do a thing in the doomsday fight.

Jesus, he was Doomsday, everyone knows that he couldn't do nothing against Doomsday. He did two things:

1. Avoid his attacks

2. Shooting the K against him

@alexander505: and ? He wasn't moving at any speed that would matter for debate purposes