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Doesn't make it past Harley TBH. Unless it's strictly TAS and not TNBA.
Why not?
1. Daredevil consistently struggles with low level goons throughout the series.
2. Daredevil consistently is beaten up, stabbed, injured and left for dead by normal street punks.
3. Daredevil struggled immensely and essentially lost to a lone (assuming Hand) ninja who he only beat by cheating and setting him on fire (not besting him in ninjitsu)
4. Daredevil was consistently was very clumsy in his fighting, his plans where terrible, often just running headlong into badguys who proceeded to beat the piss of of him.
5. Daredevil other than his senses and occasional acrobatics was a very grounded punch centric fighter. Occasionally demonstrating an aptitude to throw weapons but never uses this as his primary mode of attack, has almost no mobility, doesn't get his billy clubs until the last part of the last episode and doesn't show that it even has his signiture cable and thus never uses it as a grappling hook.
The show ultimately was more of a Becoming Marvel's Daredevil, rather than a show demonstrating his capabilities, and as such he looks like a sub par combatant that would lose to anyone with any real training. For example, I would put by Agent Mae or Grant Ward significantly above DD in terms of combat effectiveness because of their ability to handle significantly more proficient enemies with much greater ease.
It's okay, you can just say you hate DD.
DD is not in this thread, its MCU DD, and MCU DD is nowhere near as capable as comic DD so far. I do not hate DD at all, my affection for the character is the very reason why I was so disappointed with how weak he was portrayed.
I'm guessing you hate pretty much every live action or animated portrayal of a character, ever
I'm guessing you jump to absurd conclusions with no evidence at all, actually that isn't a guess, its a fact. If you even remotely looked through my posts you would realize how blatantly false your accusation was, I routinely discuss MCU, MOS, and other animated incarnations of characters in a positive light but I guess you do not mind making a fool out of yourself with baseless comments towards people you know nothing about. You have even admitted to not having finished the series yet you seem ready and willing to criticize other people personally while not countering a single one of the valid criticisms I laid out.
So why are you so disappointed with MCU Daredevil being nerfed but not every other live action adaptation of a character?
I have already explained this. I am not at disappointed with him being less than his comic version. I am simply perplexed as to why DD is shown as a less competent fighter than other pure humans in the same shared MCU. Right now, DD has no purpose in the MCU, its kind of like a pure human body builder being stronger than the hulk, that doesn't make sense does it? No, it doesn't, so a pure human shield agent shouldn't be a better fighter than DD, that is my issue with it, and it is why I believe MCU DD will be stopped round 1.
1. That reason has absolutely nothing to do with Harley Quinn, and therefore no reason for him to stop at round 1
2. The Agents have had multiple series and extensive training. Daredevil's in his first series, and as you said he's still beginning.
I'm not sure where you're pulling the his fights were clumsy statement from. He fought extremely well. And there was no low-level goon that hurt him apart from his first fight at Karen's apartment and its never revealed who the assassin he was fighting was.
Nobu was shown to be a high ranking member of the Hand. Of course he'd be highly skilled, I'm not sure how you count that as a negative against Matt. Nobu is the only character Matt faced in the series that was shown to be better trained and more skilled than him.
No cinematic character has been shown to be as capable as they are in the comics. The closest has been Captain America (in his second) movie. The rest have been extremely nerfed down as well so I'm not sure why you're ripping Daredevil alone for this.
If you recall, Matt had only been practicing law for 7 hours before he met Karen. That means he's brand-spanking new to everything, including being a vigilante. The show has to show some progression of the character as the series continues.
I'm also a little lost why you think the Agents of SHIELD characters are above him in any way? He's shown to be ridiculously agile, skilled, and fast, and above all of that very durable.
It's evident you have your qualms with the show, and that's great. It'd suck if everyone were sheep with one opinion. However, there are other boards to voice your discontent. This is a battle forum between Daredevil and the Batman Animated Series gauntlet. Your tangential argument has done very little to support your pick.
You can keep arguing your opinion since that's what forums are for (the conversation) BUT, without specific examples its hard for me to see your reasoning. Right now it just seems like you disliked the Netflix show and are unwilling to look at the character objectively.
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