Daredevil and Kitty vs Nightwing and Black Canary

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  • Fight 1: Both teams are in character and have a brief page summary on their opponents skills and abilities.
  • Fight 2: Random encounter, morals off.
  • Takes place as seen below, starting at opposite ends.
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Team Marvel wins round 1. Kitty Pryde solos round 2

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Kitty solos

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I don't know, because I'm not sure how Black Canary's scream would interact with Kitty's phasing. Nightwing would smoke Daredevil though.

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#5  Edited By SwagPatrolAlpha

Kitty would be the only one able to read the page summery in fight 1.

Nightwing would easily get Daredevil. And Black Canary would fuck up his senses. After that, I'm sure Nightwing and Black Canary could take down Kitty.

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@swagpatrolalpha: How and why is Nightwing beating Daredevil again?. That too easily?

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Round 1: Kitty can phase through the ground to avoid Canary's scream. Daredevil is screwed. Then, Shadowcat should solo.

Round 2: Black Canary solos.

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#8  Edited By brucerogers

Why are people assuming Canary is just going to open with the scream or even get to use it before getting KOed, in round 1?

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Why are people assuming Canary is just going to open with the scream or even get to use it before getting KOed, in round 1?

People assume that because that's what she does. Also, it's about a 20 foot difference from where the two teams start. There's no way she won't be able to do it.

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@brucerogers: Nightwing has bested the likes of Ra's Al Ghul, Shrike, and Cassandra Cain. Not to mention that Nightwing is an excellent fighter even without his vision. He has acute senses that allow him to fight blind as well.

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@swagpatrolalpha: How often does she outright open with her cry?. And given the basic knowledge in character, what stops Kitty from simply phasing herself and DD into a wall or the ground to escape the scream?. She is easily fast enough to do so.

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@brucerogers: https://youtu.be/l9ewOgmfT4w?t=56s

She was about to open with the scream, but they stopped her. Also, earlier in that same episode, she opened against the Young Justice team with her sonic cry.

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@swagpatrolalpha: Being able to fight blind is irrelevant in this scenario and beating Shrike or Ras is something Daredevil can easily replicate. And no he never beat Cass either.

Daredevil has stalemated and outright danced around Captain America, held is own against Iron Fist, was beating Bucky Barnes and even Black Panther in an older run and so forth. Thats much more impressive than beating Shrike or Ras

Also as for your other comment, the YT tv show has nothing to do with the comic versions. Its pointless to bring it up.

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@swagpatrolalpha: Being able to fight blind is irrelevant in this scenario and beating Shrike or Ras is something Daredevil can easily replicate. And no he never beat Cass either.

Daredevil has stalemated and outright danced around Captain America, held is own against Iron Fist, was beating Bucky Barnes and even Black Panther in an older run and so forth. Thats much more impressive than beating Shrike or Ras

Also as for your other comment, the YT tv show has nothing to do with the comic versions. Its pointless to bring it up.

Batman and the Outsiders #8 - The Hard Way Nightwing takes down Cass. And I don't believe you understand how powerful Ra's Al Ghul or Shrike are. They would crush everyone you just listed, except maybe Iron Fist.

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#15  Edited By juiceboks  Moderator

@swagpatrolalpha: Dick didn't even fight Cass in that issue.

Also the fact that you think Ra's would not just beat but "crush" the likes of Black Panther and Captain America is just more evidence that you don't know what you're talking about.

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@swagpatrolalpha: I have done my fair share of reading up on both characters and no, Ras cannot beat anyone I mentioned. Maybe give them a fight if we are being generous but not beat. Shrike is even worse. He is considered a joke and a jobber in the assassins community and he would get fodderized by anyone I mentioned. Even Daredevil. You are welcome to prove me wrong.

And I am not sure if you just gave the wrong issue or something. But he doesnt even fight Cass in that issue.

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@brucerogers: I will admit, I don't read as much Daredevil as I do other characters like Nightwing or Captain America, so you may be right, but I am still sure Ra's Al Ghul would beat Captain America and Winter Soldier, and probably Black Panther.

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@brucerogers: I've got nothing to prove. I just said that last statement as my opinion.

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@brucerogers: I said what I had to say. You won the debate. Nothing more. Nothing less.

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Kitty would be the only one able to read the page summery in fight 1.

A page in braille will be provided for Matt.

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#23  Edited By mrmonster

Team 1. Kitty solos.

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Kitty would be the only one able to read the page summery in fight 1.

Nightwing would easily get Daredevil. And Black Canary would fuck up his senses. After that, I'm sure Nightwing and Black Canary could take down Kitty.

Nightwing would easily get Daredevil ? what ?

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@brucerogers: I will admit, I don't read as much Daredevil as I do other characters like Nightwing or Captain America, so you may be right, but I am still sure Ra's Al Ghul would beat Captain America and Winter Soldier, and probably Black Panther.

Ras would beat Cap ? How ?

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#26  Edited By SpockOClock

Team 1. Round 2 gets uglier and Kitty would stomp the team.

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Round 1: Team 2. I think Dick would exploit the foreknowledge better than anyone considering the fact how he's used opponents' weakness/powers against them.

Round 2: Team 1. Wouldn't Kitty phase through them to kill them.

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Id say DD has better physicals than NW, but NW has slightly better fighting skills. DD also gets an edge for some superhuman level senses though. Id say close fight but DD I believe is also weak to sonics, so canary should help disorient him.

Round 1 would be close. Not sure who id go with.

R2 shouldnt exist. Bloodlusted kitty stomps

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@ginman333:

There is no bloodlust but morals are off in fight 2. You don''t see any chance of a Canary cry there?

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@trixie said:

@ginman333:

There is no bloodlust but morals are off in fight 2. You don''t see any chance of a Canary cry there?

Sure, anything is possible. But with morals off shes not going to be afraid to kill. They literally have no way of harming her. Perhaps there was a showing Im unaware of where a sonic attack did damage, but shes also been able to stand around while explosions go off, ones that would be accompanied with severe audible concussions, and shown no damage. Shes also highly smart and way underrated by most in her fighting skills. Worst case, if canary can do any damage she phases through the floor and comes up under canary and pulls her under and rephases her in the ground for an instant kill.

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Kitty solos round 2 just in case anyone is wondering

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#32  Edited By Educated
@brucerogers said:

Team Marvel wins round 1. Kitty Pryde solos round 2

Round 2 is spite, Kitty no longer needs to hold her breath so she can phase indefinitely with morals off she pulls out some vital organs GG, team 2 has no way of dealing with her intangibility. Morals on it's much closer but I'm still giving it to team 1, Kitty has hung in there with some pretty dope martial artists like Ogun and has even 1 shotted Mystque in the past with one kick

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#33  Edited By Vertigo-
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Kitty solos round 2 just in case anyone is wondering

That's insane....

OT: Marvel both rounds

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marvel, both rounds.

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#38  Edited By Trixie

@brucerogers: ok thanks, I don't remember much about him. I will look him up.

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#40  Edited By Rac95

R2 is 100% victory for Team Marvel

R1 is more difficult, DC has the advantage due to the Canary Cry, but Team 1 should be able to win, if Kitty keeps DD close to phase them out before they get hit

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Dinah screams once and team 1 is down.

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#42  Edited By Warlockmage

@outside_85 said:

Dinah screams once and team 1 is down.

oh dinah can hit intangible opponents that have proven untouchable by physical attacks and only ever been harmed by very specific energy attacks? really can i see scans of that please?

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@outside_85 said:

Dinah screams once and team 1 is down.

oh diana can hit intangible opponents that have proven untouchable by physical attacks and only ever been harmed by very specific energy attacks? really can i see scans of that please?

Kitty is not deaf when she's intangible, so there is something to hit.

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Hmm how would sound effect a phased Kitty? She has phased though explosions and stuff, I don't think I've ever seen her complain about the noise, but Canary's cry is powerful. Idk!

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@outside_85: So she just grabs Matt and phases under the ground or depending on where they are standing, into the walls.

Problem solved.

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@outside_85: So she just grabs Matt and phases under the ground or depending on where they are standing, into the walls.

Problem solved.

Brilliant, so neither of them can see one another... I imagine Dick and Dinah will make for higher ground.

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@outside_85: What?. Can you rephrase that statement please?

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Kitty is hot as hell ;) so team 1.

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@outside_85: What?. Can you rephrase that statement please?

Ok, as long as Kitty and Daredevil are underground, they cannot see or likely hear what Nightwing and Black Canary are doing, and neither can they. So if they are smart they will just seek to get off the ground so Kitty cant ambush them.

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#50  Edited By brucerogers

@outside_85: I am pretty sure Kitty and by extension, whomever she is turning intangible, retain their hearing capabilities.

Even if I am wrong, Daredevil still has his radar. Keeping track of the opposing team will be a piece of cake.