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#1 Edited by Wot_m8 (422 posts) - - Show Bio
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Since most people agreed that the other thread was a stomp. This one should fairer.

The Sins team consist of The Adult King, High Noon (Can become The One Escanor at will), Post Purgatory Ban and Demon King Meliodas.

  • In character.
  • Magic=Reaitsu
  • Takes place at the Palace of Soul King
  • Random encounter
  • Win by any means.

Round 2: Monster Aizen Joins Ichigo and The One has no time limits.

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#3 Posted by FaradaySloth (10090 posts) - - Show Bio

In-Character? Eh, the team would likely win this. Too much firepower and King alone would be the biggest problem with hax and versatility.

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#4 Posted by Wot_m8 (422 posts) - - Show Bio
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#5 Edited by JOVIOLMA (6716 posts) - - Show Bio

Fodders Multi-Mountain NNT team wins this time.

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#6 Posted by Djibbo__ (605 posts) - - Show Bio

In-Character? Eh, the team would likely win this. Too much firepower and King alone would be the biggest problem with hax and versatility.

exactly this^

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#7 Posted by FaradaySloth (10090 posts) - - Show Bio

@wot_m8: KS gg or same result last time.

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#8 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (3628 posts) - - Show Bio

Any of these Sins solo. Mismatch.

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#9 Posted by DeathHero61 (18832 posts) - - Show Bio

Any of the sins solo, especially Ban.

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#10 Edited by Earendill (1285 posts) - - Show Bio

Escanor solostomps.

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#11 Posted by Kalebsmarty156 (2142 posts) - - Show Bio

Team wins

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#12 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4801 posts) - - Show Bio

Dangai no diffs.

The speed advantage is still massive and he still scales to be far above the team.

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#13 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18103 posts) - - Show Bio

King could solo with difficulty, the one Escanor can solo as long as he finishes before his time runs out, Ban solo stomps.

Round 2 depends on Aizen using kyoka suigetsu, but without kyoka suigetsu SDS team wins low difficulty.

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#14 Posted by HitTheAssasin (8272 posts) - - Show Bio

Mismatch, all of the Sins can solo.

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#15 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4801 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone care to explain how the sins are even perceiving Ichigo?

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#16 Posted by HitTheAssasin (8272 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone care to explain how the sins are even perceiving Ichigo?

I don't know why I'm doing this to myself, but by scaling massively above quad digit mach speeds, which is the very best one can even hope to give to Ichigo at this point in time.

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#17 Edited by Djibbo__ (605 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest: ichigo is in character so ban sits down and drain his stats, and then proceed to one shot

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#18 Edited by DivineProphet (105 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin: Where have you got them in speed may I ask? I've got Ichigo in the lower ends of Sub-rel, with the Sins being in the high digits of MHS+; around 5k+ with Zel being low Sub-rel with ominous nebula.

I think Ichigo can possibly blitz them hard.

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#19 Posted by NarutoUzumakiMedakaKurokami (187 posts) - - Show Bio

Ban solos, Mel solos, King solos and A mustache muscle man enscanor solos.

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#20 Edited by Djibbo__ (605 posts) - - Show Bio

@divineprophet: this is all correct, but DK mel one shotted omnibus nebula Zeli before he could react, so him and ban should be Sub-rel too

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#21 Posted by HitTheAssasin (8272 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin: Where have you got them in speed may I ask? I've got Ichigo in the lower ends of Sub-rel, with the Sins being in the high digits of MHS+; around 5k+ with Zel being low Sub-rel with ominous nebula.

I think Ichigo can possibly blitz them hard.

IMO, Ichigo is probably at best quad digit mach, while the Sins team is also around that level.

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#22 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4801 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin said:
@leothegreatest said:

Anyone care to explain how the sins are even perceiving Ichigo?

I don't know why I'm doing this to myself, but by scaling massively above quad digit mach speeds, which is the very best one can even hope to give to Ichigo at this point in time.

If all you’re going to do is complain when your arguments fall flat then yeah i don’t know why you replied.

You scale the sins by a who’s faster than who stemming from a lightning level feat.

For Ichigo the scaling already starts at quad digit mach speeds.

Base Aizen lol blitz him back when he had his mach 1,000 feat and seeing as how Ichigo had his hollow mask on at the time and Aizen still ridiculed his power Aizen should easily be in the 5 digit mach range. Aizen then received 3 significant power ups and was still fodder to Dangai Ichigo.

The team are statues in comparison.

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#23 Posted by BleachHub (238 posts) - - Show Bio

I’m backing Dangai Ichigo here, low-mid difficulty

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#24 Posted by HitTheAssasin (8272 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest:

You scale the sins by a who’s faster than who stemming from a lightning level feat.

No, you scale the Sins based on reacting to Cruel Sun at point-blank range, which also has Mach 1000+ feats, while you scale Ichigo upwards from reacting to Gin's Mach 500 Bankai from many meters away.

For Ichigo the scaling already starts at quad digit mach speeds.

Buto Renjin tagged Ichigo and broke his mask, so meh, not really.

Base Aizen lol blitz him back when he had his mach 1,000 feat and seeing as how Ichigo had his hollow mask on at the time and Aizen still ridiculed his power Aizen should easily be in the 5 digit mach range. Aizen then received 3 significant power ups and was still fodder to Dangai Ichigo.

The team are statues in comparison.

114k Escanor reacted to and dodged a double power Cruel Sun from himself, while even a far weaker version of the same attack was quad mach in speed, but got blitzed by 142k Meliodas, who's speed is fodder to Current Ban, who could sometimes even outspeed even the massively DK Meliodas in an exchange of blows. We Can argue semantics all we want, but the point is that even if you buy into Gin's statement, Ichigo still isn't far faster.

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#25 Posted by Rabii99 (1901 posts) - - Show Bio
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#26 Posted by FaradaySloth (10090 posts) - - Show Bio

If you're scaling Cruel Sun off of Hawk's statements, then you need to realize that it was meant for an exaggeration and it was involved in a gag joke, one translation even shows this with the statement of millions

However, it still doesn't change the result. IC Dangai Ichigo not knowing King's hax is a game changer.

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#27 Edited by DivineProphet (105 posts) - - Show Bio

@faradaysloth: Wasn't it from Monspeets sensor radius? not Hawk's statement. It was like 100 miles iirc

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#28 Posted by FaradaySloth (10090 posts) - - Show Bio

@divineprophet: People use Hawk's statement for Monspeet's sensor radius

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#30 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4801 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin:

No, you scale the Sins based on reacting to Cruel Sun at point-blank range, which also has Mach 1000+ feats, while you scale Ichigo upwards from reacting to Gin's Mach 500 1000 Bankai from many meters away.

Cruel sun doesn't have a mach 1000+feats and no sin reacted to it being fired at point-blank. Escanor reacted to a stationary cruel sun being full countered back at him. And P.S. this cruel sun was weaker than his previous ones.

Buto Renjin tagged Ichigo and broke his mask, so meh, not really.

Oh so we're just going to ignore that Ichigo dodge it in base at first and that Ichigo was a nervous wreck by the end of the fight which Gin even said affected his power? That's cute.

114k Escanor reacted to and dodged a double power Cruel Sun from himself, while even a far weaker version of the same attack was quad mach in speed, but got blitzed by 142k Meliodas, who's speed is fodder to Current Ban, who could sometimes even outspeed even the massively DK Meliodas in an exchange of blows. We Can argue semantics all we want, but the point is that even if you buy into Gin's statement, Ichigo still isn't far faster.

The cruel sun was stationary, FC doesn't double speed and Cruel sun still doesn't have a quad digit mach feat. Meliodas never actually blitzed Escanor in their fight and the difference between him and EoS Ban isn't as big as the difference between Dangai Ichigo and Base Aizen.

The team are still statues in comparison.

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#32 Posted by BleachHub (238 posts) - - Show Bio

How does Ichigo not blitz and one shot all of them before they can even blink?

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#33 Edited by DivineProphet (105 posts) - - Show Bio

@faradaysloth: Oh, I thought it was because Monspeets fire spear traveled 100 miles to where the Boar Hat was and he was tracking it the entire time (haven't read the chapter in a while don't crucify me if wrong), so we can assume that 100 miles is the radius and Cruel Sun left it 'instantly.' Which even with like a 1 second timeframe is like 450 or so mach, I don't know the full feat though it could be higher or lower.

But Nakaba like to use 0.5 and 0.2 timeframes whenever he wants to highlight speed, which would be 900 and 2.3k mach respectively.

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#34 Posted by FaradaySloth (10090 posts) - - Show Bio

@divineprophet: We don't know how far Monspeet's Attack traveled, everyone, is basing it off an exaggerated gag joke.

It's just another made up calced number for speed scaling.

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#35 Posted by silentNightz (634 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo has a lot to deal with here, I don’t think he can handle this one. Individually, maybe King and Ban, but Escanor....what the hell is he? He’s like god above the Demon King and Goddess, not even sure where place him. DK Mel is a lot to deal with as well...

Aizen joins, Ban is easily sealed, King can be managed, but Escanor and Meliodas are still the crux of this whole operation. Not even sure how one goes about stopping The One without restraint, let alone kill him. In character DK Mel May not be too much for them to handle as a team but he’s got a really good partner.

Sins for the win 8/10

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#36 Posted by Consciouskeeper (2492 posts) - - Show Bio

Dangai aka doesn't get the job done and has 3 feats ichigo.

Vs

A team of 3 sins that can solo

Nice bait thread

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#37 Posted by Gaoron (8965 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:

Fodders Multi-Mountain NNT team wins this time.

I know this is sarcastic but I was just going to say how this is one of the first threads in a while that NNT wins in.

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#38 Edited by DeathHero61 (18832 posts) - - Show Bio

@faradaysloth: no they use the actual distance between megadozer their stsrting location. There's an actual statement regarding how far they had to travel to pursue Diane which was over 300 miles. They barely travel far, then shit hits the fan with Monspiet.

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#39 Posted by FaradaySloth (10090 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61:Hawk Mama isn't a slouch. She was able to blitz/bullrush several demons at full speed. And she was going full speed again at that moment, shown to be comparable to Monspiet's attack. The distance shouldn't be as big as people are claiming it to be. There's also the fact how Diane managed to get to Edinburgh so quickly from Camelot. While it could be 300 miles from Megadozer to Camelot, I'm still doubting Monspiet managed to cross hundredsof miles

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#40 Edited by DeathHero61 (18832 posts) - - Show Bio

@faradaysloth: Your doubt doesn't change the facts. There was little to no time between when they decided to pursue Diane and when Monspiet spotted them. And blitzing fodder demons isn't much of a feat. And it makes no sense to bring up Hawk Mama reacting to the very attack that makes the feat impressive.

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#41 Posted by HitTheAssasin (8272 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest:

Cruel sun doesn't have a mach 1000+feats and no sin reacted to it being fired at point-blank. Escanor reacted to a stationary cruel sun being full countered back at him. And P.S. this cruel sun was weaker than his previous ones.

Absolute nonsense. Escanor clearly dodged the moving Cruel Sun reflected back at him by Meliodas, it's fairly explicit:

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And no, that Cruel Sun was not weaker than his other ones, where did you get that garbage from? It was a Cruel Sun from the strongest Escanor we'd seen up until that moment, with its power further amplified multiple times over by Meliodas' own Full Counter, so, if anything, it'd be far stronger and faster. As for the mach 1000 feat, it's very clear cut. Despite Zeldris pushing against it with all of his strength and Estarossa being stuck on the front of it, a weaker version of Escanor's Cruel Sun travelled out of. Monspiet's sensory range practically instantly:

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Monspiet was previously able to sense the BoS Sins from explicitly hundreds of miles away while his magic power was drained to its utmost minimum, which is consistent with Gloxinia sensing the destructions of the Albion's about 300 miles away, in Camelot, and Diane's and King's feats of sensing Escanor and Merlin from about 400 miles away, among many other feats(need I go on?). This means that Escanor's Cruel Sun crossed hundreds of miles in one page, putting the feat at about Mach 1000, possibly significantly higher.

Oh so we're just going to ignore that Ichigo dodge it in base at first and that Ichigo was a nervous wreck by the end of the fight which Gin even said affected his power? That's cute.

Of course not, just like we're not going to ignore that Ichigo had several times more distance and thus, time, to react to Gin's Bankai than Escanor did to Cruel Sun, which was literally a meter away from his face. Oh, and we haven't even addressed the highly questionable nature of Gin's statement.

The cruel sun was stationary, FC doesn't double speed and Cruel sun still doesn't have a quad digit mach feat. Meliodas never actually blitzed Escanor in their fight and the difference between him and EoS Ban isn't as big as the difference between Dangai Ichigo and Base Aizen.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. I already proved the first 2, so now here's Meliodas blitzing Escanor when he first tested his power after the later had transformed:

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#43 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (3628 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, this is still a mismatch in the sins favor. Why would anyone even attempt to make a case for Ichigo? Is it so hard to admit that Ichigo loses?

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#44 Edited by FaradaySloth (10090 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61:

Your doubt doesn't change the facts.

There are facts here, yet you choose to take them out of context to place them on a higher pedestal than they really are.

There was little to no time between when they decided to pursue Diane and when Monspiet spotted them.

Wrong just wrong. There is no proof suggesting they had "little to no time" there wasn't any time gap presented between when they left camelot and Monspiet spotting them.

And blitzing fodder demons isn't much of a feat.

They're around the Trio's level, but there is better proof anyway. Below is Mama showed comparable to Monspiet's attack or just slightly slower than Monspiet's attack, given the Mama had a decent headstart before Firebird, there is no reason to suggest Firebird had crossed hundredsof miles without applying the same logic to Mama.

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This entire claim is based on speculation and at best Low-end MHS. Nowhere near Quad Mach. Considering it wasn't miles and Firebird did take time just to arrive at that spot. Not surprised that I've seen other people claim Firebird crossed 300 miles, I haven't seen a fanbase take so much out of context.

Yeah, this is still a mismatch in the sins favor. Why would anyone even attempt to make a case for Ichigo? Is it so hard to admit that Ichigo loses?

Ichigo isn't winning, hell no. IC Random Encounter Dangai Ichigo would lose to King alone assuming King just gets a scratch on him.

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#45 Posted by JOVIOLMA (6716 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin: There is nothing really questionable about Gin's statement though, the Databook confirm he was indeed saying the truth to Ichigo, but tbh, is hard to say if he used his full Bankai speed to hit Ichigo when he was playing around with him during the fight.

「神殺鑓」が伸縮する速さを、己のてを打つ速さになずらえる。驚異の伸縮率が露顕したその鋒は、音速を凌駕する速さで一護を狙う。

The speed at which "god killer spear" expands is like the speed of striking with your own hand. The tip of this spear that was revealed to have an amazing degree of elasiticity, is aiming for Ichigo at a speed that surpasses the speed of sound.

今の五百倍や。

And now five hundred times(Gin's Panel)

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#46 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (3628 posts) - - Show Bio

@faradaysloth: 4 Spirit Spears is definitely too much. Chastiefol/sunflower+guardian+increase+pollen garden+status promotion would leave Ichigo with no options fr. Petrification is also an option. Ichigo would have the best chance at wearing Escanor down imo.

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#48 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4801 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin:

Absolute nonsense. Escanor clearly dodged the moving Cruel Sun reflected back at him by Meliodas, it's fairly explicit:

Read the entire thing, sweetheart i said Escanor dodged it being fullcountered back at him.

And no, that Cruel Sun was not weaker than his other ones, where did you get that garbage from? It was a Cruel Sun from the strongest Escanor we'd seen up until that moment,

Doesn't matter but this is true i was going by size and forgot this Escanor was stronger.

with its power further amplified multiple times over by Meliodas' own Full Counter, so, if anything, it'd be far stronger and faster.

Full counter has never made anything faster and the Cruel Sun was stationary regardless.

As for the mach 1000 feat, it's very clear cut. Despite Zeldris pushing against it with all of his strength and Estarossa being stuck on the front of it, a weaker version of Escanor's Cruel Sun travelled out of. Monspiet's sensory range practically instantly:

Monspiet was previously able to sense the BoS Sins from explicitly hundreds of miles away while his magic power was drained to its utmost minimum, which is consistent with Gloxinia sensing the destructions of the Albion's about 300 miles away, in Camelot, and Diane's and King's feats of sensing Escanor and Merlin from about 400 miles away, among many other feats(need I go on?). This means that Escanor's Cruel Sun crossed hundreds of miles in one page, putting the feat at about Mach 1000, possibly significantly higher.

More like 100 miles away which isn't even mach 500 and even 200 miles isn't even mach 1,000 unless you say it happened in 0.5 seconds instead of 1 second. But if we do that then we'd have to do the same for Ichibei's 1000 ri feat.

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A casual feat which happened in 1 page not 2, which would then be mach 22,898 putting it above NNT even if we use the cruel sun feat. Ichigo scales to it because Dangai = True Shikai and True Shikai Ichigo caught Yhwach in the middle of a blitz.

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"Good job at stopping him, Ichigo!"

And don't think i forgot about that 300 mile BS for Ichibei's feat, babygirl. Don't even bother, the measurement in the scan i used is the measurement that's been used throughout the entire series.

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And don't bother saying he didn't send him the entire 1000 ri the first time since right after that he told him to go back another 1000 ri.

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Of course not, just like we're not going to ignore that Ichigo had several times more distance and thus, time, to react to Gin's Bankai than Escanor did to Cruel Sun, which was literally a meter away from his face. Oh, and we haven't even addressed the highly questionable nature of Gin's statement.

The distance is pretty negligible especially considering he dodged buto renjin which is a rapid fire shot of the blade at mach 1000. And again dodging a stationary Cruel Sun FC'd back at him means nothing.

And Gin's statement was backed up by the databooks it's not questionable at all.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. I already proved the first 2, so now here's Meliodas blitzing Escanor when he first tested his power after the later had transformed:

"Wrong, wrong, and wrong." Mel just dodged Rhitta and punched him while the debris wasn't clear yet that's not a blitz.

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After that they had multiple even exchanges.

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So again, the team is getting blitzed.

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#49 Posted by Rxdking (1077 posts) - - Show Bio

Sins solo.

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#50 Edited by HitTheAssasin (8272 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest:

Full counter has never made anything faster and the Cruel Sun was stationary regardless.

The Cruel Sun wasn't stationary when he dodged it, that much is obvious, so I don't see what you're trying to push here.

More like 100 miles away which isn't even mach 500 and even 200 miles isn't even mach 1,000 unless you say it happened in 0.5 seconds instead of 1 second. But if we do that then we'd have to do the same for Ichibei's 1000 ri feat.

Hundreds of miles makes it 200 at bare minimum and that was while Monspiet was ridiculously nerfed, and attempting to sense characters with a far weaker magical presence. Looking at both Gloxinia and Diane feats, 2 characters very close to Monspiet's level, we can conclude that a higher number would be far more reasonable. Even at the absolute, lowballed minimum of 200 miles, it'd be Mach 900-something, very close to Mach 1000.

A casual feat which happened in 1 page not 2, which would then be mach 22,898 putting it above NNT even if we use the cruel sun feat. Ichigo scales to it because Dangai = True Shikai and True Shikai Ichigo caught Yhwach in the middle of a blitz.

Yeah, no. You can't scale Dangai Ichigo to characters and feats that occurred hundreds of Chapters after his appearance, especially due to a complete lack of evidence he is on their level speed wise.

And don't think i forgot about that 300 mile BS for Ichibei's feat, babygirl. Don't even bother, the measurement in the scan i used is the measurement that's been used throughout the entire series.

Hate to break it to you, but that doesn't matter. Kubo could easily have used different measurements, the fact is that the official translation, from the same guys that previously translated the other Ri statement, defined it as 300 miles. Meaning, if you're going to be objective, that's what you'd have to use.

And don't bother saying he didn't send him the entire 1000 ri the first time since right after that he told him to go back another 1000 ri.

Too bad scans directly contradict that, since the Soul Palace's platforms, which are merely city sized, are clearly visible, with even the small ass. pillars being distinguishable, from what is apparently 8000 kilometers away, and on two different occasions no less:

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Even if you want to put this down to Author's negligence, which I'm not inherently opposed to, notice the inconsistency. And how it doesn't scale to Dangai Ichigo anyway, as you're well aware of.

The distance is pretty negligible especially considering he dodged buto renjin which is a rapid fire shot of the blade at mach 1000. And again dodging a stationary Cruel Sun FC'd back at him means nothing.

I dunno why you keep bringing up this stationary thing as if it means literally anything, the Cruel Sun was very clearly moving back towards Escanor's face, at which point he dodged it point-blank.

And Gin's statement was backed up by the databooks it's not questionable at all.

The databooks, the same things that reference things in continuity up to the point in the manga they are referencing? Give me the databooks thoughts on Gin's attack on Aizen, when he reveals his Bankai actually isn't fast saying it's still Mach 500 and you might have a point. Until then, hard pass on databooks.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. I already proved the first 2, so now here's Meliodas blitzing Escanor when he first tested his power after the later had transformed:

"Wrong, wrong, and wrong." Mel just dodged Rhitta and punched him while the debris wasn't clear yet that's not a blitz.

What debris, dude? All Escanor did was push up a bit of dust, something that's completely meaningless to characters with sensory abilities potent enough to detect presences from hundreds of miles away. This is quite clearly him outspeeding Escanor.

After that they had multiple even exchanges.

Because Meliodas was explicitly dicking around and holding back, yes.

So again, the team is getting blitzed.

Yeah, no. Not happening.