Daken Vs Scarlet Spider (Kaine)

Daken:

Vs

Scarlet Spider (Kaine):

Conditions:

• No Pheromones for Daken
• No Webbing for Kaine
• Morals On/Both are prepared to kill to win
• No Prep
• Random Encounter
• Standard Gear
• Win by KO or Death

Location:

Daken- Edit I do find it slightly disturbing that you put two Bloodthirsty fighters in an area like this Lol.

Is it Marmusa Claws Daken?

P.s Love the Play Area lol

@TheCheeseStabber: Nope normal bone-claw Daken just without pheromones.

@Strider92 said:

@TheCheeseStabber: Nope normal bone-claw Daken just without pheromones.

Yep, still Daken for me.

@laflux: Fair enough but I was replying to the other guy xD. As your here went to share your reasoning?

if I remember correctly, Kaine is extremely strong and way faster than Daken, so I think I'll give him that. Daken doesn't have his father's indestructible skeleton, and Kaine could probably break every single bone in his body just by punching him around.

Kaine he is faster and stronger than Daken is. but to give Daken credit he is more skilled. nonetheless Kaine 7/10

Kaine kills him. Stronger faster and prolly just as ruthless.

Kaine ftw

@Strider92: Sure.

Spider-Man in Dark Reign had advangtades which proved key to his victory against Daken. First and most important was his Spider-Sense. Daken's stealth trick of randomly appearing and disappearing aided him in nearly cutting Peter's head off- it was only Peter's Spider-Sense which saved him. Second was Webbing. Spider-Man was able to use that to help K.O Daken via use of the environment by electrocuting him- and could be logically used to Incap him . Third is experience. Spider-Man had fought with and against Logan multiple times by then, who shares many similarities with Daken and hence the insults from Spider-Man comparing Daken unfavorably to his Pa =D

Kaine has none of these Advantages. Instead Kaine has potentially greater Stats due to the influence of the other, though that hasn't really been displayed i.e Spider-Man gave a Vulked Out Venom a better fight than Kaine IMO, Stingers, Mark of Kaine, and probably somewhat greater healing (impaled by Carnage i.e) and pain tolerance. Daken's Healing and good Pain Tolerance mitigates the Stingers and acid burn somewhat. As for Kaine's stat advantage, in terms of strength, Kaine can K.O Daken. I don't doubt that. But he won't be one shotting him IMO, seeing as Kaine has taken sucker punches from Skaar, and a rampaging Thing. As for Speed and Agility, Kaine tends to Tank damage alot more than Spider-Man due to his lack of Spider-Sense and mentality, and Daken has kept up with the likes of Wolverine and X-23- even Spider-Man stated that he was as fast as his dad. All in all, I think it comes down in this case to who can put out the most damage up close, and Daken naturally leads in that with his claws.

@laflux: Interesting. Seems a fair assessment however I would argue 2 points:

• Spider-man fought Wolverine back in 1987 (Spider-man Versus Wolverine 1-shot) and the clone saga occurred in 1994 and ran until 1996. Kaine was cloned after that fight occurredthus he most likely remembers fightingWolverine.
• I wouldn't say Daken could put out more damage up close. He's a better fighter which means he will most likely be more efficient but we've seen Kaine take a hell of a lot of punishment from Carnage and not fall. Kaine is capable of matching whatever Daken can dish out with his stingers just not as efficiently.

I think this is pretty close imo whoever wins isn't taking a big majority.

@Strider92 said:

@laflux: Interesting. Seems a fair assessment however I would argue 2 points:

• Spider-man fought Wolverine back in 1987 (Spider-man Versus Wolverine 1-shot) and the clone saga occurred in 1994 and ran until 1996. Kaine was cloned after that fight occurred thus he most likely remembers fighting Wolverine.
• I wouldn't say Daken could put out more damage up close. He's a better fighter which means he will most likely be more efficient but we've seen Kaine take a hell of a lot of punishment from Carnage and not fall. Kaine is capable of matching whatever Daken can dish out.

I think this is pretty close imo whoever wins isn't taking a big majority.

Ah that would make sense. He would also had knowledge of the Secret Wars encounter with him and the rest of the X-Men Though he would still lack memories from Astonishing Wolverine and Spider-Man, The training fight that happened during the Other etc

When I meant more Damage, I meant due to strategic placement of strikes, rather than raw damage. Kaine is alot Stronger than Daken, and has Claws as well, but due to his lack of formal training compared to Daken, might not be as effective.

I do however agree that it would be a close fight. I just said that Daken wins even without M.Claws, since all that does is negate Healing factors, and since neither Kaine (nor Spider-Man) show mid battle healing feats, it doesn't really make a difference.

@laflux: Seems as good a argument as any.

On another note I wonder how Kaine is going to recover from getting eaten lol. In the solicits for SS 14 it says he's dead and mentions the "Other".......I think i see where this is going!

@Strider92: Nerd Rage- Wrote a long paragraph explaining my feeling- then it got deleted!!!!!

Damm you ComicVine

Anyway Long story short. Great. I hated OMD/BND because they all but retconned for me, the best arc of Spider-Man's Modern history- The Other. Joe however, did say that the Other wasn't forgotten, and its nice to see it live on in Kaine.

I would like Kaine though to embrace himself as a hero. And if him making contact with the Other can do this, then awesome- and I'd prefer that, over a power amp like Peter got. I would say that Morlun could possibly rustle his way out of this, but I think his stint in Black Panther makes him way too strong to be a realistic villain for Kaine.

@laflux: Yeah Morlun seems off the cards. Its a long-shot but maybe Shathra will turn up. She's a totem eater like Morlun and has a thing for Spiders. She managed to drive Peter into a bloodlust imagine if she tried that on Kaine he'd go mental:

i'll go daken on this one

Depends what Daken decides to do. His stealth trick did work on spider-man and was only countered thanks to spider-sense....Peter said he would have lost his head. If he uses that trick he will win if he doesn't I say Kaine would win.

I think Kaine could take this...