@jay_z94 said:
@owie said:
@jay_z94 said:
@owie said:
I dunno, even as a Cyke fan, I feel like I'm going against the grain of the answers so far and leaning towards team 2. 616 Cap has, reasonably or not been a match for Cyclops in the past, and Ult. Cap should be able to do the same, or better. Wolverine could certainly carve up Ult. Goblin, but Goblin is also pretty darn fast--as he obviously has to be to fight Peter--so there's a reasonable chance he can grab Logan and just toss him against a building to just temporarily stun him, then start blasting him with fireballs enough to keep him functionally inoperative. Wolverine's healing factor is obviously great, but there are all kinds of times he's been put down temporarily, even if just for a few seconds, by some physical or energy attack. I'm not saying that's what would definitely happen, but it's a reasonable possibility.
Consistently it takes physical attacks from Mid-Tiers to KO Logan. I don't think Goblin will KO Logan before getting tagged himself which is most likely going to be a one-shot. Regarding the fireballs, Wolverine has countless instances of tanking and fighting through similar energy and fire attacks. Or he could just dodge.
To knock him out, yes. To temporarily stun him or get him off his game long enough for the opponent to really start taking advantage over him? Lesser people can do it. That happens off and on depending on the writer and the era to a degree, but someone of Goblin's strength is capable of it if he gets a good shot in. And sure, he could dodge, but would he always? No.
Yeah I agree that Goblin can stun Logan but here's the thing; Wolverine tags him once, Goblin could potentially be one-shotted. Goblin tags Logan once, he's probably momentarily stunned but still able to fight through it as he has shown countless times. Then take into account Logan's superior skill and the fact that he's at least as fast, it's pretty obvious that Wolverine takes the majority against him. Same for Ult Cap, against Logan he's only a one-shot away.
I agree with that in theory, the problem is that in practice Wolverine fights against all kinds of people he could one-shot, and he doesn't. Sometimes, obviously, because they don't want to kill off all their major characters.
You literally just gave the reason for why Wolverine doesn't one shot characters.
But also because he just isn't always able to get that one-shot in. Hell, look at his fights against Cyclops where they've grappled! It happens enough that we have to take that consistency into account.
First of all, why would he even try and one-shot Cyclops in the first place? You can't say that he doesn't one-shot heroes in character, then use a case of him not one-shotting a hero to prove that he can't. Wolverine is faster and more skilled than Scott, the only reason that Scott can keep up is because he's seen Logan fight countless times and uses his optic beams tactically whilst in close quarters to keep Logan at bay, and even then Logan was all over him during their fight in Schism.
Nor is Logan, in character, going to go for a kill against a guy who is obviously a hero.
Against Ult Cap, sure. But Goblin is fair game.
Which is not to say that Logan can't win. But I don't think it's an open and shut case.
Fair enough, but considering Logan is more skilled, has the potential to one-shot, has the damage soak to last and is at least as fast: It's most likely that Logan beats Goblin than the other way round, would you not agree?
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