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#1 Posted by deactivated-5bd0d99b6c6f7 (1676 posts) - - Show Bio
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*No infinity stones are allowed

*Prep time for Zoom and full knowledge

*All in character

*MCU has part knowledge about Zoom

*Zoom is blood lusted

*Zoom cannot travel back in time or escape until the entire universe is dealt with

*BONUS ROUND If Zoom fails he can make 3 time remnants of himself.

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#2 Posted by Red_Leader (907 posts) - - Show Bio

i don't think that there are any FTL feats (so far for the MCU)

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#3 Posted by Stalin-Is-Steel (3586 posts) - - Show Bio

Universe vs person threads are not allowed, as far as I know.

But anyway, he stops at Dormammu, he has no way of killing him.

Remnants really don't matter if the person is near universal level power

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#5 Posted by deactivated-5bd0d99b6c6f7 (1676 posts) - - Show Bio

@stalin-is-steel: Yeah sorry about that. I forgot that rule.

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#6 Posted by redhood8888 (7 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom looses, he’s dieing and loosening his speed, there also to many characters he couldn’t kill like Thor and hulk. Dr strange alone could just drop him in a never ending pit and wait for him to die

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#7 Posted by HitTheAssasin (8272 posts) - - Show Bio

Someone like Dormammu can beat him, remnants or no. The MCU Avengers get a phasing hand through their hearts though.

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#8 Posted by HeComesAtNight (98 posts) - - Show Bio

When involving a one against universe war, you have to remember the forces as play here. The gods of Marvel and beings that created its multiverse would get involved, and before it is said that this only includes the MCU, Doctor Strange's existence in the MCU is my proof that these beings exist. They would realize that this speedster is a being outside their universe and needs to be stopped form being able to drastically effect their universes, Zoom would either be removed and warned against attempting a battle such as this or simply wiped from existence.

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#9 Posted by mrmonster (15633 posts) - - Show Bio

The MCU in a stomp. If Harry could built a device that hurt Zoom, so could Tony Stark.

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#10 Posted by RBT (28660 posts) - - Show Bio

The MCU in a stomp. If Harry could built a device that hurt Zoom, so could Tony Stark.

Harry is so far above Tony in engineering, its not even a contest.

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#11 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7826 posts) - - Show Bio

The MCU in a stomp. If Harry could built a device that hurt Zoom, so could Tony Stark.

Tony is no were near Harry level, even his new element was his father's work.

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#12 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7826 posts) - - Show Bio

Universe vs person threads are not allowed, as far as I know.

But anyway, he stops at Dormammu, he has no way of killing him.

Remnants really don't matter if the person is near universal level power

But with his prep time he can use magnetar which is multiversal.

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#13 Posted by DrPepperMan (6288 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom dies fifty times over

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#14 Posted by ProteusXManRxis (4446 posts) - - Show Bio

MCU.

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#15 Posted by Stalin-Is-Steel (3586 posts) - - Show Bio

@stalin-is-steel said:

Universe vs person threads are not allowed, as far as I know.

But anyway, he stops at Dormammu, he has no way of killing him.

Remnants really don't matter if the person is near universal level power

But with his prep time he can use magnetar which is multiversal.

A number of things-

1. The Magentar is powered by gigawatts. One lap around it - 1 gigawatt. It needed 500 to perform at all. How much prep-time does Zoom have?

2. Even if the device works and no one else before Dormammu tries to destroy it (which is easy enough, it's metal) it's function was to destroy alternative EARTHS and their timelines, not dimensions. Dormammu's physical presence is not on Earth.

3. Hunter stole the original design and altered it to his propose. Can Zoom create the entre Magnetar without access to the original plan?

4. Even if Zoom modified the machine to target dimensions (little chance he could) the Dark Dimension is beyond time. The function of the Magnetar is destroying timelines. See what I'm getting here?

Dormammu stomps.

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#16 Posted by Black_Of_Shadow (852 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom gets stomped.

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#17 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7826 posts) - - Show Bio

@plotweapon16255 said:
@stalin-is-steel said:

Universe vs person threads are not allowed, as far as I know.

But anyway, he stops at Dormammu, he has no way of killing him.

Remnants really don't matter if the person is near universal level power

But with his prep time he can use magnetar which is multiversal.

A number of things-

1. The Magentar is powered by gigawatts. One lap around it - 1 gigawatt. It needed 500 to perform at all. How much prep-time does Zoom have?

He can use the particle accelerator.

2. Even if the device works and no one else before Dormammu tries to destroy it (which is easy enough, it's metal)

Again, how does Dormammu gonna know about magnetar??

it's function was to destroy alternative EARTHS and their timelines, not dimensions. Dormammu's physical presence is not on Earth.

Wrong.

Zoom clearly mentioned "it destroy all of the Multiverse outside of Earth One with a trans-dimensional shockwave."

3. Hunter stole the original design and altered it to his propose. Can Zoom create the entre Magnetar without access to the original plan?

Ur wrong.

4. Even if Zoom modified the machine to target dimensions (little chance he could) the Dark Dimension is beyond time.

There is nothing suggest it's outside multiverse.

The function of the Magnetar is destroying timelines.

Wrong again.

See what I'm getting here?

Stupid logic.

Dormammu stomps.

Magnetar one shot MCU.

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#18 Posted by Batvibe12 (5720 posts) - - Show Bio

MCU

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#19 Edited by deactivated-5add3922b3476 (699 posts) - - Show Bio
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#21 Posted by Stalin-Is-Steel (3586 posts) - - Show Bio

@stalin-is-steel said:
@plotweapon16255 said:
@stalin-is-steel said:

Universe vs person threads are not allowed, as far as I know.

But anyway, he stops at Dormammu, he has no way of killing him.

Remnants really don't matter if the person is near universal level power

But with his prep time he can use magnetar which is multiversal.

A number of things-

1. The Magentar is powered by gigawatts. One lap around it - 1 gigawatt. It needed 500 to perform at all. How much prep-time does Zoom have?

He can use the particle accelerator.

2. Even if the device works and no one else before Dormammu tries to destroy it (which is easy enough, it's metal)

Again, how does Dormammu gonna know about magnetar??

it's function was to destroy alternative EARTHS and their timelines, not dimensions. Dormammu's physical presence is not on Earth.

Wrong.

Zoom clearly mentioned "it destroy all of the Multiverse outside of Earth One with a trans-dimensional shockwave."

3. Hunter stole the original design and altered it to his propose. Can Zoom create the entre Magnetar without access to the original plan?

Ur wrong.

4. Even if Zoom modified the machine to target dimensions (little chance he could) the Dark Dimension is beyond time.

There is nothing suggest it's outside multiverse.

The function of the Magnetar is destroying timelines.

Wrong again.

See what I'm getting here?

Stupid logic.

Dormammu stomps.

Magnetar one shot MCU.

Right, let's take a look at these in more detail.

1. Particle Accelerator from where, exactly? Is Zoom going to build that as well, despite him not knowing the schematics? Zoom also never used this method, preferring to race around it. Also, you ignored my question of the length of prep Zoom gets.

2. Dormammu does not need to know about the device, but if Zoom is trying to protect it from everyone, then are people not going to get curious? What if someone manages to damage it? Can it be made again, and if so, with what?

3. Nice logic there. Anyway, Zoom stole the original design from Mercury Labs, and then altered it. That is a fact. He did not invent it, or build the original from scratch. Check the wiki if you think otherwise. http://arrow.wikia.com/wiki/Magnetar

4. The "Trans-dimensional shockwave" works by destroying timelines, hence dimensional destruction through the removal of time. A dimension that is outside the physical existence of time can't theoretically be harmed by this. Again, check the Wiki if you think this is wrong.

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Dimension

"Magnetar one shot MCU" this is a bloody silly idea, as you even quoted that the Magnetar destroys all BUT Earth-One. Does this mean Zoom kills himself with most of the MCU? If so, he loses. Zoom would have to modify it to erase all but the current MCU timeline, which then negates the point of the one shot in the first place!

Pal, look at the sources, and come to the grand conclusion that most of the thread have figured out-

Dormammu stomps Zoom.

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#22 Edited by plotweapon16255 (7826 posts) - - Show Bio

@stalin-is-steel said:
@plotweapon16255 said:
@stalin-is-steel said:
@plotweapon16255 said:
@stalin-is-steel said:

Universe vs person threads are not allowed, as far as I know.

But anyway, he stops at Dormammu, he has no way of killing him.

Remnants really don't matter if the person is near universal level power

But with his prep time he can use magnetar which is multiversal.

A number of things-

1. The Magentar is powered by gigawatts. One lap around it - 1 gigawatt. It needed 500 to perform at all. How much prep-time does Zoom have?

He can use the particle accelerator.

2. Even if the device works and no one else before Dormammu tries to destroy it (which is easy enough, it's metal)

Again, how does Dormammu gonna know about magnetar??

it's function was to destroy alternative EARTHS and their timelines, not dimensions. Dormammu's physical presence is not on Earth.

Wrong.

Zoom clearly mentioned "it destroy all of the Multiverse outside of Earth One with a trans-dimensional shockwave."

3. Hunter stole the original design and altered it to his propose. Can Zoom create the entre Magnetar without access to the original plan?

Ur wrong.

4. Even if Zoom modified the machine to target dimensions (little chance he could) the Dark Dimension is beyond time.

There is nothing suggest it's outside multiverse.

The function of the Magnetar is destroying timelines.

Wrong again.

See what I'm getting here?

Stupid logic.

Dormammu stomps.

Magnetar one shot MCU.

Right, let's take a look at these in more detail.

1. Particle Accelerator from where, exactly?

Central city.

Is Zoom going to build that as well, despite him not knowing the schematics?

It's already functional.

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Zoom also never used this method, preferring to race around it.

Coz he was baiting Barry.

Also, you ignored my question of the length of prep Zoom gets.

Ask OP.

2. Dormammu does not need to know about the device,

So he can get one shot.

but if Zoom is trying to protect it from everyone,

He doesn't have to he would be in earth prime.

then are people not going to get curious? What if someone manages to damage it? Can it be made again, and if so, with what?

None of them can travel earth prime.

3. Nice logic there. Anyway, Zoom stole the original design from Mercury Labs, and then altered it. That is a fact. He did not invent it, or build the original from scratch.

He got prep time where he can do anything he wants.

4. The "Trans-dimensional shockwave" works by destroying timelines,

Baseless fan theory.

hence dimensional destruction through the removal of time. A dimension that is outside the physical existence of time can't theoretically be harmed by this.

Wrong again.

"The Dark Dimension is a dimension in the Multiverse(MCU) ruled by Dormammu".

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Dimension.

"Magnetar one shot MCU" this is a bloody silly idea, as you even quoted that the Magnetar destroys all BUT Earth-One. Does this mean Zoom kills himself with most of the MCU? If so, he loses. Zoom would have to modify it to erase all but the current MCU timeline, which then negates the point of the one shot in the first place!

Zoom uses magnetar from earth prime one shot MCU.

Pal, look at the sources, and come to the grand conclusion that most of the thread have figured out-

Stop using fan theory, first.

Dormammu stomps Zoom.

Zoom one shot MCU via magnetar.

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#23 Posted by Stalin-Is-Steel (3586 posts) - - Show Bio

@stalin-is-steel said:
@plotweapon16255 said:
@stalin-is-steel said:
@plotweapon16255 said:
@stalin-is-steel said:

Universe vs person threads are not allowed, as far as I know.

But anyway, he stops at Dormammu, he has no way of killing him.

Remnants really don't matter if the person is near universal level power

But with his prep time he can use magnetar which is multiversal.

A number of things-

1. The Magentar is powered by gigawatts. One lap around it - 1 gigawatt. It needed 500 to perform at all. How much prep-time does Zoom have?

He can use the particle accelerator.

2. Even if the device works and no one else before Dormammu tries to destroy it (which is easy enough, it's metal)

Again, how does Dormammu gonna know about magnetar??

it's function was to destroy alternative EARTHS and their timelines, not dimensions. Dormammu's physical presence is not on Earth.

Wrong.

Zoom clearly mentioned "it destroy all of the Multiverse outside of Earth One with a trans-dimensional shockwave."

3. Hunter stole the original design and altered it to his propose. Can Zoom create the entre Magnetar without access to the original plan?

Ur wrong.

4. Even if Zoom modified the machine to target dimensions (little chance he could) the Dark Dimension is beyond time.

There is nothing suggest it's outside multiverse.

The function of the Magnetar is destroying timelines.

Wrong again.

See what I'm getting here?

Stupid logic.

Dormammu stomps.

Magnetar one shot MCU.

Right, let's take a look at these in more detail.

1. Particle Accelerator from where, exactly?

Central city.

Is Zoom going to build that as well, despite him not knowing the schematics?

It's already functional.

Loading Video...

Zoom also never used this method, preferring to race around it.

Coz he was baiting Barry.

Also, you ignored my question of the length of prep Zoom gets.

Ask OP.

2. Dormammu does not need to know about the device,

So he can get one shot.

but if Zoom is trying to protect it from everyone,

He doesn't have to he would be in earth prime.

then are people not going to get curious? What if someone manages to damage it? Can it be made again, and if so, with what?

None of them can travel earth prime.

3. Nice logic there. Anyway, Zoom stole the original design from Mercury Labs, and then altered it. That is a fact. He did not invent it, or build the original from scratch.

He got prep time where he can do anything he wants.

4. The "Trans-dimensional shockwave" works by destroying timelines,

Baseless fan theory.

hence dimensional destruction through the removal of time. A dimension that is outside the physical existence of time can't theoretically be harmed by this.

Wrong again.

"The Dark Dimension is a dimension in the Multiverse(MCU) ruled by Dormammu".

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Dimension.

"Magnetar one shot MCU" this is a bloody silly idea, as you even quoted that the Magnetar destroys all BUT Earth-One. Does this mean Zoom kills himself with most of the MCU? If so, he loses. Zoom would have to modify it to erase all but the current MCU timeline, which then negates the point of the one shot in the first place!

Zoom uses magnetar from earth prime one shot MCU.

Pal, look at the sources, and come to the grand conclusion that most of the thread have figured out-

Stop using fan theory, first.

Dormammu stomps Zoom.

Zoom one shot MCU via magnetar.

Oh god, this is a mess, but let's look at these statements-

1 Central City? That can't be right, as Zoom is in the MCU. If prep is not anywhere, and Zoom can only use what is in the MCU, then this is moot. Also, the OP states that Zoom can't "escape until the whole universe is dealt with" so he can't travel through dimensions. WHICH MAKES YOUR ARGUMENT WORTHLESS. Zoom MUST stay in the MCU until he has killed them all, or died himself.

2. Again, the OP states that he can't travel through dimensions. Earth-Prime is off limits, and he must build the device and use it in the MCU. Even if he could build it, how would he activate it in a another universe? If he builds a remote (that works somehow through dimensions?) and uses it, he can't leave until everyone is dealt with, meaning he'd end up dead as well. Smart.

3. Again, OP never said prep anywhere, so this is moot, again.

4. Did you check? Here is the quote- "According to Hunter, one lap around the inside of this loop would produce about 1 gigawatt of energy, and 500-plus gigawatts were needed to power the Magnetar enough to send a trans-dimensional shockwave that would destroy alternative Earths and their timelines"

"Wrong" again, but with no evidence to back that up. Meanwhile, I've shown that it effects timelines by giving you facts. The Dark Dimension is outside the physical form of time. It can't be effected by a device that alters time. Simple enough stuff to understand.

The Earth-Prime argument has been debunked by the OP through the rules, making most of this null and void. Zoom must use his prep on the MCU, unless stated otherwise.

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#24 Posted by deactivated-5add3922b3476 (699 posts) - - Show Bio

@stalin-is-steel: Amazing breakdown.

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#25 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7826 posts) - - Show Bio

@plotweapon16255 said:
@stalin-is-steel said:
@plotweapon16255 said:
@stalin-is-steel said:
@plotweapon16255 said:
@stalin-is-steel said:

Universe vs person threads are not allowed, as far as I know.

But anyway, he stops at Dormammu, he has no way of killing him.

Remnants really don't matter if the person is near universal level power

But with his prep time he can use magnetar which is multiversal.

A number of things-

1. The Magentar is powered by gigawatts. One lap around it - 1 gigawatt. It needed 500 to perform at all. How much prep-time does Zoom have?

He can use the particle accelerator.

2. Even if the device works and no one else before Dormammu tries to destroy it (which is easy enough, it's metal)

Again, how does Dormammu gonna know about magnetar??

it's function was to destroy alternative EARTHS and their timelines, not dimensions. Dormammu's physical presence is not on Earth.

Wrong.

Zoom clearly mentioned "it destroy all of the Multiverse outside of Earth One with a trans-dimensional shockwave."

3. Hunter stole the original design and altered it to his propose. Can Zoom create the entre Magnetar without access to the original plan?

Ur wrong.

4. Even if Zoom modified the machine to target dimensions (little chance he could) the Dark Dimension is beyond time.

There is nothing suggest it's outside multiverse.

The function of the Magnetar is destroying timelines.

Wrong again.

See what I'm getting here?

Stupid logic.

Dormammu stomps.

Magnetar one shot MCU.

Right, let's take a look at these in more detail.

1. Particle Accelerator from where, exactly?

Central city.

Is Zoom going to build that as well, despite him not knowing the schematics?

It's already functional.

Loading Video...

Zoom also never used this method, preferring to race around it.

Coz he was baiting Barry.

Also, you ignored my question of the length of prep Zoom gets.

Ask OP.

2. Dormammu does not need to know about the device,

So he can get one shot.

but if Zoom is trying to protect it from everyone,

He doesn't have to he would be in earth prime.

then are people not going to get curious? What if someone manages to damage it? Can it be made again, and if so, with what?

None of them can travel earth prime.

3. Nice logic there. Anyway, Zoom stole the original design from Mercury Labs, and then altered it. That is a fact. He did not invent it, or build the original from scratch.

He got prep time where he can do anything he wants.

4. The "Trans-dimensional shockwave" works by destroying timelines,

Baseless fan theory.

hence dimensional destruction through the removal of time. A dimension that is outside the physical existence of time can't theoretically be harmed by this.

Wrong again.

"The Dark Dimension is a dimension in the Multiverse(MCU) ruled by Dormammu".

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Dimension.

"Magnetar one shot MCU" this is a bloody silly idea, as you even quoted that the Magnetar destroys all BUT Earth-One. Does this mean Zoom kills himself with most of the MCU? If so, he loses. Zoom would have to modify it to erase all but the current MCU timeline, which then negates the point of the one shot in the first place!

Zoom uses magnetar from earth prime one shot MCU.

Pal, look at the sources, and come to the grand conclusion that most of the thread have figured out-

Stop using fan theory, first.

Dormammu stomps Zoom.

Zoom one shot MCU via magnetar.

Oh god, this is a mess, but let's look at these statements-

1 Central City?

Yep.

That can't be right,

It can be.

as Zoom is in the MCU.

Op didn't mention it.

So, it's. Arrowverse+MCU.

If prep is not anywhere, and Zoom can only use what is in the MCU,

Op need to mention it otherwise it's default which means it's arrowverse+MCU.

then this is moot.

Not like u.

Also, the OP states that Zoom can't "escape until the whole universe is dealt with"

He isn't escaping he working from earth prime.

so he can't travel through dimensions.

He doesn't have to.

WHICH MAKES YOUR ARGUMENT WORTHLESS.

No, it's ur argument.

Zoom MUST stay in the MCU until he has killed them all, or died himself.

But this is MCU+arrowverse.

So, he can do it from earth prime.

2. Again, the OP states that he can't travel through dimensions.

No, he didn't.

Earth-Prime is off limits,

No it isn't.

and he must build the device and use it in the MCU.

He doesn't have to.

Even if he could build it, how would he activate it in a another universe? If he builds a remote (that works somehow through dimensions?) and uses it, he can't leave until everyone is dealt with, meaning he'd end up dead as well.

Ur wrong.

Smart.

Not enough.

3. Again, OP never said prep anywhere, so this is moot, again.

Op's 2nd point disagrees.

4. Did you check? Here is the quote- "According to Hunter, one lap around the inside of this loop would produce about 1 gigawatt of energy, and 500-plus gigawatts were needed to power the Magnetar enough to send a trans-dimensional shockwave that would destroy alternative Earths and their timelines"

Again , particle accelerator replaces it.

"Wrong" again, but with no evidence to back that up.

There is no relationship between magnetar & timeline.

Meanwhile, I've shown that it effects timelines by giving you facts.

No it isn't.

The Dark Dimension is outside the physical form of time. It can't be effected by a device that alters time. Simple enough stuff to understand.

Fan theory.

The Earth-Prime argument has been debunked by the OP through the rules,

No it isn't.

making most of this null and void. Zoom must use his prep on the MCU, unless stated otherwise.

Useless reply.

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#27 Posted by BladeOfFury (3208 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom beats everyone.

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#28 Edited by TheOneWhoPullsTheStrings (2746 posts) - - Show Bio

People are looking at this all wrong, of dorm beats him, but you have to consider one thing... He might be able to time travel, but if any one encounter puts him down the first time before he can react, then it is irrelevant. An ambush Smallville style, like how Lex beat Bart(is faster than Zoom) is more than possible to one shot him before reacting.... You don't need Harry's device, far simpler ones would do. And if you think the geniuses, plus a vision who is in phase upon seeing that can't put that plan together ultra quickly, and have it hidden well, then you are deluding yourself. Since we already saw the limits of his speed, it is impossible for him to get everyone at once all over the globe, and he would have no worry or reason to go for the hit on all of them first. Hell, with what we saw time from time of AoS, we already know the big leagues aren't even the only ones who could possibly design such a thing and execute it quickly.

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#29 Posted by Stalin-Is-Steel (3586 posts) - - Show Bio

@plotweapon16255 Christ, lots of insults coming from here, but no feats lol

Unless the OP states that prep is anywhere and everywhere, we both can't say anything about the prep. It's very general, and gives no detail of time or location. Giving a false generalisation that it includes both universes is arsine.

No feats proving that the Magnetar does not effect timelines, also that quote I gave.... shows the relationship.

"send a trans-dimensional shockwave that would destroy alternative Earths and their timelines" destruction + timeline in the same sentence. Or will you just say "wrong" again?

Let us entertain the idea that Zoom can travel to the Arrow-Verse for prep. How does he activate the device? When the fight starts, he can't "escape" to the Arrow-Verse as per the rules.

Even If he could, I wonder who would stop him from building the device in his own universe, who is fast enough to catch Zoom and incap him via Flashtime or overpowering him.....

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Your next line is "Wrong", isn't it?

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#30 Posted by Stalin-Is-Steel (3586 posts) - - Show Bio

People are looking at this all wrong, of dorm beats him, but you have to consider one thing... He might be able to time travel, but if any one encounter puts him down the first time before he can react, then it is irrelevant. An ambush Smallville style, like how Lex beat Bart(is faster than Zoom) is more than possible to one shot him before reacting.... You don't need Harry's device, far simpler ones would do. And if you think the geniuses, plus a vision who is in phase upon seeing that can't put that plan together ultra quickly, and have it hidden well, then you are deluding yourself. Since we already saw the limits of his speed, it is impossible for him to get everyone at once all over the globe, and he would have no worry or reason to go for the hit on all of them first. Hell, with what we saw time from time of AoS, we already know the big leagues aren't even the only ones who could possibly design such a thing and execute it quickly.

Time travel would work, but the rules state that Zoom can't time travel until the MCU is "dealt with" meaning KO or death. MCU have basic knowledge of Zoom, so they know he's superpower is speed, and that he is a villain, but that's it. Zoom has full knowledge of the MCU and will know about any tricks they have such as Visions phasing.

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#31 Posted by RR79 (6761 posts) - - Show Bio

@plotweapon16255: No rule on this site states anything about if the locations isn't give that it includes both universes. The only rule about location not being given states that it is by default an unpopulated city street, starting 10 feet apart. Nothing whatsoever about the location including both universes and generally when a battle like this is done the location is a neutral location. So no, the particle accelerator is not usable.

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#32 Posted by RampageTheFirst (7706 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom gets utterly stomped but he does clear every Avenger in the MCU but gets stomped by higher tier villains.

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#33 Edited by TheOneWhoPullsTheStrings (2746 posts) - - Show Bio

@stalin-is-steel said:

Time travel would work, but the rules state that Zoom can't time travel until the MCU is "dealt with" meaning KO or death. MCU have basic knowledge of Zoom, so they know he's superpower is speed, and that he is a villain, but that's it. Zoom has full knowledge of the MCU and will know about any tricks they have such as Visions phasing.

Full knowledge as what I would say he knows the strengths and weaknesses, the players involved in protecting the world, how they work, etc...

I do not consider it as if he has omniscience, which is stupid. As such, he won't simply be able to be protected by 'full knowledge' here, or at least he shouldn't. As such, yeah, he can be taken down by less than high-tiers imho. Just not in a straight up fight normal fight with normal starting distances, but in this scenario, yes.

Visions phasing had little to do with it, I wasn't using it as a one-trick pony, I am talking about an ambush from out of sight view, using preset traps, not fighting, not him using phasing to out-right beat him anyway. So knowledge of it doesn't get involved here either.

And as for time travel, again - if he gets one-shotted before he realizes there is a threat, before he can react, and before he thinks he needs to, as such, it won't matter, even if it was not until 'MCU is dealt with' provision is removed.

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#34 Posted by Stalin-Is-Steel (3586 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump Bomb

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#35 Posted by blackpantherisb (7269 posts) - - Show Bio

Mismatch, MCU stomps.

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#36 Posted by TheSpartanB345T (4191 posts) - - Show Bio

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo basically Zoom vs Cap?

Yeah Cap stomps.

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#37 Edited by The_Hajduk (6357 posts) - - Show Bio

You guys remember back when Zoom was like, the hottest shit on CW? People were saying he solos all of Flash and Arrow, he solos the MCU.
Nowadays, I'm pretty sure Green Arrow alone can handle him.

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#38 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18481 posts) - - Show Bio

You guys remember back when Zoom was like, the hottest shit on CW? People were saying he solos all of Flash and Arrow, he solos the MCU.

Nowadays, I'm pretty sure Green Arrow alone can handle him.

That's pushing it,CW Green Arrow is never beating a speedster like Zoom without catching him off guard.

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#39 Posted by The_Hajduk (6357 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_hajduk said:

You guys remember back when Zoom was like, the hottest shit on CW? People were saying he solos all of Flash and Arrow, he solos the MCU.

Nowadays, I'm pretty sure Green Arrow alone can handle him.

That's pushing it,CW Green Arrow is never beating a speedster like Zoom without catching him off guard.

So he'll catch him off guard lol

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#40 Posted by deactivated-5add3922b3476 (699 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom dies eventually

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#41 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

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#42 Posted by godzilla44 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio

You guys remember back when Zoom was like, the hottest shit on CW? People were saying he solos all of Flash and Arrow, he solos the MCU.

Nowadays, I'm pretty sure Green Arrow alone can handle him.

To be fair basically every new flash villain is super OP just like savitar last season and now the Thinker is basically unstoppable.