CW Zoom vs CW Reign

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  • Win by KO/Death/Incap

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Reign stomps.

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Why?

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Zoom.

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@darthraven:

Because she's as fast as Supergirl, who is as fast as S3 Flash, who is faster than Zoom. While Zoom's only way to get past her durability is phasing (which may or may not work), Reign can one-shot him with anything. She can also fly, which puts Hunter at a huge disadvantage.

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Zoom, Flash has shown the ability to phase through Supergirl, phasing through Kryptonians is a possibility and she'd most likely go h2h with Hunter like she always does with everyone else, I don't know how Hunter will be the exception, this would give him the perfect chance to phase through her chest and crush her organs. Not to mention, Zoom has shown to be way faster than S3 Flash at times, like for instance, in the GIF OP posted.

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@rampagethefirst:

After the tachyon boost, Flash has been stated to be faster than Zoom.

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@darthraven:

Because she's as fast as Supergirl, who is as fast as S3 Flash, who is faster than Zoom. While Zoom's only way to get past her durability is phasing (which may or may not work), Reign can one-shot him with anything. She can also fly, which puts Hunter at a huge disadvantage.

Without scaling to the flash, can you name one speed feat that Supergirl has that Zoom can't replicate?

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@rampagethefirst:

After the tachyon boost, Flash has been stated to be faster than Zoom.

Stated? Zoom has shown to be faster.

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@bladeoffury said:

@rampagethefirst:

After the tachyon boost, Flash has been stated to be faster than Zoom.

Stated? Zoom has shown to be faster.

How? They were always quite even.

Caitlin/Cisco stated that Zoom was 3 or 4 times than Barry before the boost. After the boost, Caitlin/Cisco stated that Barry is 4 times faster than he used to be. Faster than Zoom.

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@darthraven:

Because she's as fast as Supergirl, who is as fast as S3 Flash, who is faster than Zoom. While Zoom's only way to get past her durability is phasing (which may or may not work), Reign can one-shot him with anything. She can also fly, which puts Hunter at a huge disadvantage.

Without scaling to the flash, can you name one speed feat that Supergirl has that Zoom can't replicate?

Yes.

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She flies at Mach 11 to reach space while pushing an incredibly heavy load. It is debatable whether or not Zoom can reach that speed at all, much less while carrying a load that he struggled to move in the first place.

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@bladeoffury: that is a massive outlier and if we go by those season 1 flash has done far better. Regardless Zoom is able to go at faster speeds in Mach 11.

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@bladeoffury: that is a massive outlier and if we go by those season 1 flash has done far better. Regardless Zoom is able to go at faster speeds in Mach 11.

Her feats against Flash prevent them from being an outlier, and they also prove her superiority in speed.

Zoom's speed per Cisco/Caitlin's statement happens to also be Mach 11, except he won't be able to go that fast while moving an object so heavy that he was unable to move it at all for 20 seconds.

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@bladeoffury: No they don't,because she doesn't consistently perform speed feats on flash's level. And I clearly said without scaling to the flash.

No,by their statement zoom is mach 13.4, and hat was before stealing barry's speed.

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@bladeoffury: No they don't,because she doesn't consistently perform speed feats on flash's level. And I clearly said without scaling to the flash.

No,by their statement zoom is mach 13.4, and hat was before stealing barry's speed.

She doesn't have to. Unless there is something disproving her feat, we go by that. And why shouldn't we scale her to Flash? Should I also ask for Zoom's feats that put him above Kara without scaling to Flash?

No, they said 3 or 4 times. Barry was Mach 3.3. 3.3 x 3.5 (the average) = 11.55. Hence why Flash, who is Mach 13.2 is faster than him. And Zoom didn't get faster after stealing Flash's speed. If he did, someone would have mentioned it.

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#16  Edited By TheWatcherKing

@bladeoffury: Yeah she does, if she has consistently not been shown as as fast as flash is in her own show then that shows she isn't as fast as he is. Literally any speed feat from her has been matched and/or superpassed by S1/2 of the flash(even if we include outliers).

Zoom is from the flash's show and was always shown to be much faster or on par with flash, and has flash lvl feats. Meanwhile if you exclusively use feats for supergirl that don't include her crossovers with flash then she isn't on his level. I woukd say your example is extremely bad.

They said four times faster and 4 x 3.3 = 13.4. And why would they need to? At the time no one rivaled his speed, and it would make no sense to randomly say he has gotten faster. At the very least the fact that zoom was no longer dying and was healthy would mean he is faster.

And flash at no point in S2 was faster than Zoom.

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@bladeoffury: I will take you up on the who is faster one,if we're using feats exclusively from the character's respective shows.

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@thewatcherking:

Flash took part in "Supergirl" in "World's Finest." Does that count?

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#24  Edited By Raziel2014

reign stomps badly to a extreme degree, and because she has killing instict she is not holding back like kara does when she fights 1 slap and she could potentialy kill zoom

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I understand he has never shown to do this, but if zoom decided to open a portal in Reign's brain I doubt she's surviving.

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@drpepperman said:

I understand he has never shown to do this, but if zoom decided to open a portal in Reign's brain I doubt she's surviving.

Zoom open portals with his arms, not his mind. He cannot do what you said.

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@Linha-Fone: he can just punch her

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@drpepperman said:

@Linha-Fone: he can just punch her

And break his hand.

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Reign is taking this win.

She's a Kryptonian Worldkiller with powers much greater than Supergirl's. Zoom, on the other hand, is a typical speedster in comparison to her (due to the Kryptonian also having superhuman speed). I'd claim he's quicker than Reign, but she wields a range of abilities that even the demonic speedster would struggle with.