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#1 Posted by Arcus1 (24635 posts) - - Show Bio

Vandal Savage (CW)

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Captain America (MCU)

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In this battle, Vandal Savage from the CW will take on Captain America from the MCU, who will win?

Both are in character.

Fight takes place in a forest at twilight. Starting distance is 50 feet. Victory by ko or death.

Round 1:

Vandal has his knives

No shield for Cap

Round 2:

Vandal has his knives

Cap has his shield

Who wins?

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#2 Posted by Arcus1 (24635 posts) - - Show Bio

Just to be clear, Vandal showed up in Flash today, gonna be on Arrow tomorrow I believe

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#3 Posted by FirestormFate1919 (4349 posts) - - Show Bio

I've gotta go Vandal. He's obviously superhuman in reflexes and strength, possibly a match for Cap. He has some type of magical abilities (perhaps even teleportation based on a couple scenes), and is above all unkillable. He throws those daggers crazy fast, likely bullet speed given Flash's relative difficulty (assuming that wasn't just plot).

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#4 Posted by Arcus1 (24635 posts) - - Show Bio

I've gotta go Vandal. He's obviously superhuman in reflexes and strength, possibly a match for Cap. He has some type of magical abilities (perhaps even teleportation based on a couple scenes), and is above all unkillable. He throws those daggers crazy fast, likely bullet speed given Flash's relative difficulty (assuming that wasn't just plot).

I'm not sure if he has teleportation so much as stealth/vanishing act (he did say he taught Houdini)

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#6 Edited by db_king (856 posts) - - Show Bio

Savage tagged Barry while he was running a feat only arrow has pulled off. Blocked and caught the arrows off Green Arrow and Speedy. Has a healing factor and is immortal. He matched oliver in hand to hand if not out right beat him. He also aim dodged direct gunfire.

Savage both rounds.

And Barry flat out said savage disappearing was magic. Damien pulled off the same thing against speedy disappearing in front of her eyes and appearing behind her.

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#7 Posted by TheSuperor (5352 posts) - - Show Bio

@db_king said:

Savage tagged Barry while he was running a feat only arrow has pulled off. Blocked and caught the arrows off Green Arrow and Speedy. Has a healing factor and is immortal. He matched oliver in hand to hand if not out right beat him. He also aim dodged direct gunfire.

Savage both rounds.

And Barry flat out said savage disappearing was magic. Damien pulled off the same thing against speedy disappearing in front of her eyes and appearing behind her.

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#8 Edited by RandomSid82 (9864 posts) - - Show Bio

@db_king said:

Savage tagged Barry while he was running a feat only arrow has pulled off. Blocked and caught the arrows off Green Arrow and Speedy. Has a healing factor and is immortal. He matched oliver in hand to hand if not out right beat him. He also aim dodged direct gunfire.

Savage both rounds.

And Barry flat out said savage disappearing was magic. Damien pulled off the same thing against speedy disappearing in front of her eyes and appearing behind her.

I'm not going to say he doesn't have magic, but since when is Barry an expert on magic? Barry is a man of science. That being said, I think it's a little too early to know who would win, Vandal has only been in one episode and while he was somewhat impressive, he hasn't done anything yet that is more impressive than things Cap has done.

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#9 Posted by SupremeGeneration (6666 posts) - - Show Bio

@thesuperor: wait wait Arrow is the ONLY one to tag Flash while running or the only to tag him mid-run? Cause at end of run/about to be hit even currently featless Hawkman caught him

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#10 Posted by KCMinato (2458 posts) - - Show Bio

been done

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/cw-vandal-savage-vs-mcu-captain-america-1751648/#7

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#11 Posted by RandomSid82 (9864 posts) - - Show Bio

@kcminato said:

been done

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/cw-vandal-savage-vs-mcu-captain-america-1751648/#7

This one was actually 4 hours before that one.

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#12 Posted by KCMinato (2458 posts) - - Show Bio

@randomsid: oh ya right haha . send it to that one then

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#13 Posted by FatherChaos (2632 posts) - - Show Bio

@db_king: Atom Smasher and Vixen also tagged Barry while he was running.

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#14 Posted by americanspeeddemon (5345 posts) - - Show Bio

@db_king: Ras also did the disappear I'm pretty sure it's a ninja technique.

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#15 Posted by maxlabp (1450 posts) - - Show Bio

Vandal imo

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#16 Posted by lukehero (34542 posts) - - Show Bio

Been done in the other thread.

Cap stomps him in both rounds. Cap got shot several times in the gut and could still function, being stabbed isn't going to make him collapse.

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#17 Posted by TheSuperor (5352 posts) - - Show Bio

@supremegeneration: As in mid-fight against Flash, many have hit him while he has run straight at them

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#18 Posted by Arcus1 (24635 posts) - - Show Bio

@lukehero said:

Been done in the other thread.

I made this one first

@maxlabp said:

Vandal imo

Both rounds? Any reasons?

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#19 Posted by maxlabp (1450 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus: did you see how fast he was going ? Cap won't have time to react!

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#20 Edited by deactivated-59c7179498eb5 (549 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America takes both rounds in a moderately difficult fight. I feel like he has the endurance and combat skill to pull off victories in both rounds, especially in round 2 with his shield.

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#21 Posted by db_king (856 posts) - - Show Bio

@fatherchaos: atom smasher did not hit flash while he was running. Vixen did and she was as fast as he was.

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#22 Posted by db_king (856 posts) - - Show Bio

@americanspeeddemon: Against speedsters? As I've said Damien disappeared from on front of speedys face and appeared behind her. That's not league stealth that's teleportation. Barry was sure it was magic and Savage is a magic user. Barry has already encountered magic when he faced vixen.

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#23 Posted by Arcus1 (24635 posts) - - Show Bio

@db_king said:

@americanspeeddemon: Against speedsters? As I've said Damien disappeared from on front of speedys face and appeared behind her. That's not league stealth that's teleportation. Barry was sure it was magic and Savage is a magic user. Barry has already encountered magic when he faced vixen.

Barry said Vandal was mystical. He never said he had teleportation powers. He's an ancient immortal, and his immortality is a result of magic, not the science he's used to dealing with

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#24 Posted by Black_Arrow (9479 posts) - - Show Bio

Savage wins round 1 for sure. He has insane speed, not only the speed of his knives give Barry a hard time but He also managed to tag Barry with one of them (through his speed and strategic planning) and he did all this on the span of the time that Oliver's arrow got to him. He also owned Oliver (who has more documented skill than Cap). He will dance around Cap stabbing him with his knives until he drops and if Cap punches him, We know that he has an amazing healing factor.

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#25 Posted by BoostMyGold (350 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap takes it for now. Have to wait for more of Savage before we can appropriately gauge his abilities. He was pretty damn quick and accurate with his knifes and he showed some decent reaction time while blocking Ollie and Thea's arrows. Though Cap has the skill and strength advantage.

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#26 Edited by db_king (856 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus: Yeah and how would Barry have known any of that knowing zero about him other than he skillfully killed some guards but wasn't a meta? Oh and he disappeared before someone who dodges lighting could react.

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#28 Edited by db_king (856 posts) - - Show Bio

@lukehero:

Because Rogers lacks vital organs to exploit. No throat slitting. Just stab him in the gut or toe.

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#30 Posted by db_king (856 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevolution96: you finally got one. Atom smasher also has super speed capable of keeping up with barry so it doesn't matter. Now if someone could only post showing steve doing something as impressive as atomo smasher besides getting slapped in the mouth by quicksilver.

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#31 Edited by BoostMyGold (350 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol Atom Smasher has super speed now... K.

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#32 Posted by Therockonurmom (301 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Vandal got this. He seems to know better how to defend himself and to adapt during fight (like he did to tag Barry with his knife).

Don't want to use ABC logic but Cap wouldn't have resiste against team arrow + flash (without shield).

So Id say Vandal Savage in a good fight for round 1.

Round 2, I think both of them could win it so 5/5.

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#33 Posted by GXrevolution96 (3654 posts) - - Show Bio

@db_king said:

@gxrevolution96: you finally got one. Atom smasher also has super speed capable of keeping up with barry so it doesn't matter. Now if someone could only post showing steve doing something as impressive as atomo smasher besides getting slapped in the mouth by quicksilver.

Since when has superspeed been one of Atom Smasher's powers?

Not really debating who wins, so I don't know why you brought Steve getting slapped up. But while we on the subject, you seem to ignore the fact that Steve gets right back up afterwards unscathed. Not to mention, he was stuck by somone whose striking feats are superior to Barry's

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#34 Posted by BoostMyGold (350 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't really see a reason why Cap wouldn't be able to react to Vandal. It really depends on how many knives Vandal carries on his person though. Cap has shown some nice dexterity and skill with knives himself and he was able to counter Bucky's escrima like skill with that switchblade in WS pretty handily. I'd say that if Vandal stays at range and spams knife throws at Cap in Round 1 he can win. But if Cap closes the gap he has it.

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#35 Posted by Spector_Rand (3946 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably still Rogers. But he's only had the one appearance though, this could change.

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#36 Posted by lukehero (34542 posts) - - Show Bio

@db_king: Because he totally can't outmuscle Savage who has a handful of feats. He's gonna stand there like a mook and let someone slit his throat.

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#37 Posted by db_king (856 posts) - - Show Bio

@lukehero: Because the guy whos far more skilled needs for him to stand still to kill him.

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#38 Posted by db_king (856 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevolution96: Since flash knew he had the speed to keep up with hin and depended on it when leading him into a trap. Shown when AS kept up with flash zooming around the city to a nuclear power plant.

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#39 Posted by BoostMyGold (350 posts) - - Show Bio

@db_king: Because Vandal is more skilled than Cap... Oh wait, he's not.

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#40 Posted by NeonGameWave (19333 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap both Rounds while Savage is impressive he still has much more to showcase in regards to screen time.

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#41 Posted by Madripoor (1916 posts) - - Show Bio

Savage.

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#42 Posted by buildhare (6544 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap with some difficulty round one

Handily round two

Could change in the next episode

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#43 Posted by Tayssti (1109 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap both Rounds while Savage is impressive he still has much more to showcase in regards to screen time.

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#44 Posted by Arcus1 (24635 posts) - - Show Bio

@db_king said:

@arcus: Yeah and how would Barry have known any of that knowing zero about him other than he skillfully killed some guards but wasn't a meta? Oh and he disappeared before someone who dodges lighting could react.

Hey, don't argue me with the show, argue with the writers who had him knowing that.

There's not enough evidence to say he can teleport. Is is possible? Maybe. But it could also be that he's just fast

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#45 Posted by db_king (856 posts) - - Show Bio

@lukehero: Team arrow took out an army of slades mirk users. And their stats put them over steves. Stats that include lifting cars, punching through steel, regeneration catching and tanking arrows and smelling bombs. They woukd stomp steve. And they could barelt keep up with savage with the flash.

Steve has military training and struggled with bucky. Arrow has been trained by deathstroke, shadow, and Ras al Ghul. Bucky has killed 12 people Ras has killed over 1000

Steve cant stop arrow yet alone team arrow. Savage stomps

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#46 Posted by db_king (856 posts) - - Show Bio

Savage has already displayed more skill and feats than Rogers has by taking it to team arrow and the flash. Steve couldn't even see quicksilver move.

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#47 Posted by Jestersmiles (9417 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap both rounds, he has way better feats than team arrow combine.

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#48 Posted by Jestersmiles (9417 posts) - - Show Bio
@db_king said:

Savage has already displayed more skill and feats than Rogers has by taking it to team arrow and the flash. Steve couldn't even see quicksilver move.

Atom smasher reacted to Barry, hell a bunch of slow people have, so saying savage reacted to barry is not really impressive. Steve has dealt with better than team arrow who are not even bullet dodgers.

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#49 Edited by db_king (856 posts) - - Show Bio

@jestersmiles: And as I've already said atom smasher has super speed. Barry dodges lightning so yes it is impressive. So instead of lowballing Barry and savage post some feats for steve. Instead of declaring how he has way better feats when he was getting slapped by quicksilver.

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#50 Posted by Jestersmiles (9417 posts) - - Show Bio

@db_king said:

@jestersmiles: And as I've already said atom smasher has super speed. Barry dodges lightning so yes it is impressive. So instead of lowballing Barry and savage post some feats for steve. Instead of declaring how he has way better feats when he was getting slapped by quicksilver.

So I guess Gorilla Grood, and featless Hawkman, who made his debut yesterday also have super speed? because they also reacted to Barry. Not lowballing it the truth. How about you show the part where Savage threw a knife at barry who was right in front of him and barry caught it? Wonder why he could not tag him there?