CW: The Thinker runs the gauntlet

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Round 1: Toyman and Tricksters
Round 2: Mirror Master & Top
Round 3: Livewire & Silver Banshee
Round 4: Superman
Round 5: Miss Martian
Round 6: Martian Manhunter
Round 7: Cyborg Superman
Round 8: Astra & Non
Round 9: Reign & Purity

  • In character
  • Gets fully healed after each round
  • Toyman and Tricksters get a week of prep and are working together
  • Default incapacitation rules
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Is this full power DeVoe?

If so, I really see him clearing due to the stupid range and skill in which he can use his abilities.

In character means half of these dudes will hold back, clearly seeing him as a human at first sight. That's all DeVoe needs to mentally scramble them and kill them in a number of ways

Anything that could hit him or any plans in mind will fall to pieces, as his luck manipulation means that that the worst possible situation will occur, and that they will fail in their attempt, while anything he does will be successful.

Even the stronger people such as Cyborg Superman can be hacked or, if he is able to resist DeVoe's power, BFR using portals, change the mass of a particular body- the methods are many, and few can get past them.

I don't really see how DeVoe could be beaten here. He just has too much for anyone here to handle. His reaction time in his base form could detect and KO a season 4 Flash, who is faster than everyone here by a mile.

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What are all of DeVoe's powers again?

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Devoe gets stomped at 3 and up. SGverse >>> Flashverse.

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@jdogg said:

Devoe gets stomped at 3 and up. SGverse >>> Flashverse.

There is no way in hell that he is losing R3, he literally can't lose to them at all.

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#6  Edited By JDogg

@thewatcherking: How is he not losing? Livewire solos and Banshee def solos with her sonic powers which are Devoe's weakness. Livewire is SG tier while Devoe is not, and Banshee is his weakness so they would destroy him.

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Clears, way too much for anyone in that list.

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@jdogg: Lol nice lowballing mate.

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#9  Edited By JDogg

@rampagethefirst: Nah those are facts. Crossovers and a multitude of feats proves E38 curbstomps E1.

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@jdogg: I'm assuming your reasoning is going to be "SGVerse>>>>Flash verse" right?

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How do you even argue against PIS? Thinker literally has PIS power and can't loose unless plot wants him to.

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@jdogg: What did the crossovers show? SGVerse>>>Flashverse does not really mean anything and you can't prove this ludicrous claim either, they literally have no answer for half the things DeVoe has and sonic waves aren't Devoes weakness, it hurts him the same way it hurts everyone else, the only way they were able to put him down was by using the Sonic Scepter which is literally the most powerful tuning fork in the "multiverse", as Cisco and Caitlyn mention, and nobody in this gauntlet has that in hand, Thinker one-shots with ease.

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@rampagethefirst: Nope the crossover clearly depicts SGverse on another tier than the Flashverse. Kara even kicks Barry's archnemisis butt while Barry couldn't even phase any E38 villains.

Sonic scepter just produces sonic waves which again Banshee has. It is also called his weakness in the show.

Thinker can't do crap to anyone who can take SG hits. Dude was beat by Dibny that's enough to know any SG tier would splatter the Thinker.

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@jdogg:

Nope the crossover clearly depicts SGverse on another tier than the Flashverse. Kara even kicks Barry's archnemisis butt while Barry couldn't even phase any E38 villains.

No, it doesn't depict anything, you're blowing this out of proportion and even if it did somehow prove that SGVerse>>Flashverse, I still don't see how that revives your failing argument, and when does Kara kick RF's butt? Nobody in this gauntlet has defence against TP, stealing powers, TK, Luck manipulation, heck, Thinker doesn't even need that many abilities, he can easily solo with luck manipulation, it was effecting the whole world in a matter of seconds, you can't do anything with planetary level luck manipulation lmao.

Sonic scepter just produces sonic waves which again Banshee has. It is also called his weakness in the show.

It produces the most powerful sonic waves in the entire multiverse, I have already mentioned this, are you slow? .

Thinker can't do crap to anyone who can take SG hits. Dude was beat by Dibny that's enough to know any SG tier would splatter the Thinker.

That's a durability feat, Thinker isn't about brute strength and Ralph only beat him with the Sonic Scepter which again, is the most powerful tuning fork in the entire CW multiverse, repeating the same points over and over again doesn't help at all, you need to actually watch The Flash and not jump to conclusions, Thinker can solo with Luck manipulation, TP, TK, Techno manipulation, power-steal and that's only naming a few.

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@rampagethefirst: E1 couldn't do crap to Kara as shown multiple times and stated multiple times. Kara in the battle of EX Crossover tagged RF and took him out with a single throw.

Do you even watch SG? Because you sound incredibly ignorant. No one has TP resistance? Martians and Kryptonians do have mental resistance much better than that crappy reject mental power which needs to combine tear drops to control someone lol. Martian TP is a lot better than Devoe's TP.

Luck manipulation ain't doing jack as they ain't falling on marbles or missing punches straight to the face. Dude has been tagged consistently with Luck manipulation and you think people far stronger and faster than Country Chick and Dibny can't?

It produces sonic waves clear point blank. Sonic waves are his weakness, and the sonic wave that was produce wasn't even powerful. It just shot the dude across the room lol. Even Laurel has better sonic feats than that Sonic sceptor.

What durability feat? Taking a hit that only sends you across a room gives him the durability to take hits from someone who can launch you across an entire city and through sky scrapers??? What? The dude is getting splattered in one punch by any SG tier threat. He has zero durability showings but getting launched 10-15ft across the room.

I actually watch the Flash but it seems you don't watch anything about Supergirl. SG >>> Flashverse and has been explicitly stated and backed up by actual feats. Techno is only working on maybe Cyborg Superman and that's it. The rest stomp badly. TK?

Power steal only works on dark matter which none of the heroes from E38 use lol. Are you sure you even watch the Flash?

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Thinker clears

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@jdogg:

E1 couldn't do crap to Kara as shown multiple times and stated multiple times. Kara in the battle of EX Crossover tagged RF and took him out with a single throw.

Lol when was this, link me the video please.

Do you even watch SG? Because you sound incredibly ignorant. No one has TP resistance? Martians and Kryptonians do have mental resistance much better than that crappy reject mental power which needs to combine tear drops to control someone lol. Martian TP is a lot better than Devoe's TP.

Yes I do watch SG, you can't seem to get a point across without trying to sound condescending. Okay, show me a scene where Kryptonians and Martians in the CW have resisted TP attacks powerful enough to take down Barry while he's charging in, and Barry has resisted Grodds TP on more than one occasion and Grodds TP is substantially better than MMH's TP and he doesn't need the Weepers tears to control someone, that's not what TP is lol.

Luck manipulation ain't doing jack as they ain't falling on marbles or missing punches straight to the face. Dude has been tagged consistently with Luck manipulation and you think people far stronger and faster than Country Chick and Dibny can't?

Do you know what luck manipulation is? how can it not effect them? it literally had the potential to effect the entire world, it wasn't country level, her luck manipulation was on a planetary level and you're saying they're exempt from it because you can't come up with a better argument than that, they accidentally kill each other due to it, lol there were no marbles on the floor initially when Flash first entered the casino but within a matter of seconds, a lot of things went wrong in a chain reaction sequence and it eventually ended up with Barry in the cuffs and the dude has way superior reaction time feats lol, you're deliberately ignoring his feats to tip the scale in the duos favour, rookie mistake.

It produces sonic waves clear point blank. Sonic waves are his weakness, and the sonic wave that was produce wasn't even powerful. It just shot the dude across the room lol. Even Laurel has better sonic feats than that Sonic sceptor.

It was meant to do that, the second strike was supposed to kill, it was literally designed like that, did you not hear Cisco explain how it worked? It doesn't kill the person in the first strike lol and are you saying they called it the most powerful tuning fork just for the lols? I heavily suggest you start paying attention to whats going on rather than jumping to conclusions.

What durability feat? Taking a hit that only sends you across a room gives him the durability to take hits from someone who can launch you across an entire city and through sky scrapers??? What? The dude is getting splattered in one punch by any SG tier threat. He has zero durability showings but getting launched 10-15ft across the room.

That's a durability feat for the duos and as I said, Thinker isn't about brute strength, he doesn't need durability to win against anyone, he has so many hex abilities, Kudo's on completely misinterpreting the post.

I actually watch the Flash but it seems you don't watch anything about Supergirl. SG >>> Flashverse and has been explicitly stated and backed up by actual feats. Techno is only working on maybe Cyborg Superman and that's it. The rest stomp badly. TK?

I actually do watch SG and I think that SGVerse>>Flashverse is a ridiculous assumption, Supergirls villains are powerful but they're not above Flash's villains and most of Flash's everyday villains have continent level potential and some of them have planetary level potential as well and how is this claim been backed up by actual feats lol, you cannot simply make an entire verse superior to another verse by nitpicking the performance and using ABC logic on a couple of characters of the respective verses, that's pretty stupid since none of that applies for everyone in the supposed superior verse, if LW doesn't have TP res then she does NOT have TP res and nothing can change, not even your failing argument and how does the rest stomp badly, you're actually lowballing harder than Madballer lowballs DCEU.

TK?

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#21  Edited By plotweapon16255

@mutant1230 said:

What are all of DeVoe's powers again?

  1. Lucky
  2. DNA manipulation
  3. Gravity manipulation
  4. Size manipulation
  5. Sound manipulation
  6. Dimension manipulation
  7. Animate non living things
  8. Techopathy
  9. Telepathy
  10. Elasticity
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#22  Edited By plotweapon16255

@rampagethefirst: Caitlyn lost her power when there is no dark matter in her body & she also mentioned dark matter triggers killer frost using adrenaline.

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@rampagethefirst: There's now such thing as a Meta gene in Flashverse. All metas are byproducts of the dark matter released by the particle accelerator or by Barry coming out if the speed force.

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#25  Edited By RampageTheFirst

@plotweapon16255:

Ah thanks for correcting me, I forgot about that part but nonetheless, Thinker doesn't really need power-steal anyways.

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@jdogg said:

Luck manipulation ain't doing jack as they ain't falling on marbles or missing punches straight to the face. Dude has been tagged consistently with Luck manipulation and you think people far stronger and faster than Country Chick and Dibny can't?

He needs to use luck ability to make himself lucky like most of his powers.

It produces sonic waves clear point blank. Sonic waves are his weakness, and the sonic wave that was produce wasn't even powerful. It just shot the dude across the room lol. Even Laurel has better sonic feats than that Sonic sceptor.

It was clearly mentioned "The Sonic Scepter mimics Izzy Bowin's sonic frequencies, so we can penetrate a impenetrable force field of DeVoe."

Where the force field was able contain Barry who can easily shatter star labs container which also contained black siren.

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What durability feat? Taking a hit that only sends you across a room gives him the durability to take hits from someone who can launch you across an entire city and through sky scrapers??? What? The dude is getting splattered in one punch by any SG tier threat. He has zero durability showings but getting launched 10-15ft across the room.

He has elastic physiology which is completely no sell to blunt force & piercing attack.

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@plotweapon16255:

He has elastic physiology which is completely no sell to blunt force & piercing attack.

Not true. There is obviously some limit otherwise Barry would never have been able to knock Dibny out.

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@rbt said:

@plotweapon16255:

He has elastic physiology which is completely no sell to blunt force & piercing attack.

Not true. There is obviously some limit otherwise Barry would never have been able to knock Dibny out.

He was electrocuted by Barry's lightning.

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@rbt said:

@plotweapon16255:

He has elastic physiology which is completely no sell to blunt force & piercing attack.

Not true. There is obviously some limit otherwise Barry would never have been able to knock Dibny out.

He was electrocuted by Barry's lightning.

That's a very interesting find. I'll take this explanation for now.

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@rbt said:

@plotweapon16255:

He has elastic physiology which is completely no sell to blunt force & piercing attack.

Not true. There is obviously some limit otherwise Barry would never have been able to knock Dibny out.

He was electrocuted by Barry's lightning.

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I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that

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#32  Edited By JDogg

@plotweapon16255: Still got tagged three times.

Her powers are still sonic. When did she break out of the Meta container? Pretty sure she has never done that.

Ralph got KOed by a punch and no, that was not an electric punch either. That was just the residual energy of the speed force. He's done that same punch on several villains and not once was it stated to have electric powers behind it. He also has never survived SG level punches at all since no one in Flash is as strong as her.

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#33  Edited By plotweapon16255

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@plotweapon16255: Still got tagged three times.

Coz he didn't use it.

Her powers are still sonic.

Her power is sound manipulation which is way different from sonic scream.

When did she break out of the Meta container? Pretty sure she has never done that.

Black siren was contained by star labs container.

Barry broke it who was contained by thinker force field.

Izzy's attack can penetrate thinker force field which is no sell to phasing.

So, izzy's attack > Barry phasing > black siren scream.

Ralph got KOed by a punch

No he didn't.

Considering that he was no sell to izzy's attack, city block level explosion, etc.

and no, that was not an electric punch either.

Barry disagrees.

That was just the residual energy of the speed force.

Which is lightning.

He's done that same punch on several villains and not once was it stated to have electric powers behind it.

None of them were having residual electricity like Ralph DID.

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#34  Edited By JDogg

@rampagethefirst: It was during EX fight when they fought the Nazis in the warehouse. The one where they were trying to hurt was in the first Dominator crossover when they were training against her. They said none of them could hurt her at all and she would dominate them easily.

Watch season 2 and 3 of SG where Martian Manhunter has numerous TP battles against far better TP assault and it was stated in S1 that Kryptonian have mental resistance against MMH's mental powers. Barry's not immune to Grodd's TP he actually gets caught in it and then resists it (usually he snaps put of it). It is again not on the level of MMH.

So now we are talking about potential powers instead of actual concrete feats? No one in the Flash has strength above building level let alone Country.

His durability is crap which means he gets laid out in one punch. Blitzed and punch. Dibny and Cowgirl tagged which means anyone in this gauntlet can.

That wasn't TK, that was helium girl's power to make you bones inflate with helium and turn into a balloon. He did the opposite of her power to pin Flash into the ground.

I cannot go into a back and forth convo when you clearly think the Flash villains are continental and planetary in potential despite the feats having them at wall-building level at best.

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Thinker clears with ease.

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@plotweapon16255: Still got tagged.

Sonic scream are sound powers. Sonic is sound.

Why the hell are you trying to say Barry's feat of breaking out the container as hers? The heck kind of backwards thinking are you doing? His force fields cannot block sonic powers which is the reason why Izzy powers bypass his. It has nothing to do with blunt force of her attack being stronger than Barry's. You have to show feats of her breaking out the Meta cage to say she can break out not try to scale off a person with a completely different powerset.

Show me where it says those punches are electric. Wally and RF do those same speed enhance punches as well.

No, Barry needs to gather a lot of it to create an actual bolt of lightning. The residual of effects itself does not have the impact nor effect of lightning. He'd be shocking people he runs past or touches otherwise.

His punches have been the same for several season bruh. Not once did it say he has an electric effect. That would also be new move and we know how the Flash explicitly explain new moves.

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#37  Edited By plotweapon16255

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@plotweapon16255: Still got tagged.

Coz he didn't use it.

Sonic scream are sound powers. Sonic is sound.

Sound manipulation.

Why the hell are you trying to say Barry's feat of breaking out the container as hers? The heck kind of backwards thinking are you doing? His force fields cannot block sonic powers which is the reason why Izzy powers bypass his. It has nothing to do with blunt force of her attack being stronger than Barry's. You have to show feats of her breaking out the Meta cage to say she can break out not try to scale off a person with a completely different powerset.

Izzy's attack > Barry's phasing.

End of discussion.

Show me where it says those punches are electric.

Lightning over Ralph proves it.

Wally and RF do those same speed enhance punches as well.

Which doesn't cause lightning residue on target.

No, Barry needs to gather a lot of it to create an actual bolt of lightning. The residual of effects itself does not have the impact nor effect of lightning. He'd be shocking people he runs past or touches otherwise.

New upgrade to Barry's power set.

His punches have been the same for several season bruh. Not once did it say he has an electric effect. That would also be new move and we know how the Flash explicitly explain new moves.

New upgrade.

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@jdogg:

It was during EX fight when they fought the Nazis in the warehouse. The one where they were trying to hurt was in the first Dominator crossover when they were training against her. They said none of them could hurt her at all and she would dominate them easily.

Again video link and the none of them could hurt her durability wise, Barry phases her heart out any day of the week and she's MASSIVELY slower than Season 4 Barry and Barry has phased through Kryptonian flesh so wherever you're getting this SGVerse>>>Flashverse is purely BS.

Watch season 2 and 3 of SG where Martian Manhunter has numerous TP battles against far better TP assault and it was stated in S1 that Kryptonian have mental resistance against MMH's mental powers. Barry's not immune to Grodd's TP he actually gets caught in it and then resists it (usually he snaps put of it). It is again not on the level of MMH.

Again, you have to provide video evidence the same way everyone else on this site does and Kryptonians have TP res against Martians, she got mindraped by literally every telepath in CW lol. Barry resists Grodds TP, that's a TP res feat, stop lowballing, and Grodds TP is well above MMH that it's not even funny, Grodd was simultaneously controlling a whole village while mindraping the legends from miles away and Barry has resisted his TP twice IIRC and DeVoe dropped him instantly.

So now we are talking about potential powers instead of actual concrete feats? No one in the Flash has strength above building level let alone Country.

Are you serious? you were the one who started this and talking about actual concrete feats, you haven't provided much to support your failing argument anyways and Strength is not the only factor when estimating the range or potential of their abilities, you seem to be hell-bent on proving everything revolves around strength, even DeVoe taking everyone out can only be done via strength feats and therefore dismisses every other feat he has.

His durability is crap which means he gets laid out in one punch. Blitzed and punch. Dibny and Cowgirl tagged which means anyone in this gauntlet can.

Um the same "cowgirl" was able to do this...and not to mention, didn't I already post a gif of DeVoe dropping Barry mid-blitz? and he has reacted to Barry's speedblitz's of multiple occasions and nobody in this gauntlet is faster than S4 Barry.

That wasn't TK, that was helium girl's power to make you bones inflate with helium and turn into a balloon. He did the opposite of her power to pin Flash into the ground.

Yeah I thought so too which is even more deadly since nobody in this gauntlet except for Superman and Reign can survive in space.

I cannot go into a back and forth convo when you clearly think the Flash villains are continental and planetary in potential despite the feats having them at wall-building level at best.

Wall-building? do you even know what the term "potential" means, you literally answered your own question and yes, weather wizard was city-level and that was Barry's first villain lol, his Tsunami was gonna wipe out the entire city and his tornado's too, and we all know Hazard was planetary, it was literally confirmed by Cisco and Harry and wall-building level at best? nice lowballing, you don't even try to hide it lol.

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#39  Edited By JDogg

@rampagethefirst: You can take two seconds to look up the videos lol. Not on a computer therefore I cannot link the video.

Bcs their strength actually has feats lmao. He gets pasted from a punch and he has nothing to stop them.

Cowgirl never tagged Barry she only tagged the disc he threw up. Tgis was also training so Barry aint hust going to dumb fast on her. Devoe prepped on Barry and was tagged two times by people who aren't even anywhere near as fast as even S2 Barry.

They can fly lol therefore the helium powers ain't doing jack.

Weather wizard wasn't city level he about town for tsunami feat which he needs time to produce. He also has human level durability.

Hazard was never planetary (that means she can bust a planet which she can't). Yes bcs Barry or any meta besides WW with a tsunami can bust mote than a building? And can any take building busting punches? Ah no so the metals cap at wall-building lvl. Durability 99% of the time is human level.

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#40  Edited By JDogg

@plotweapon16255: Still got tagged.

Still sonic powers.

Speed force > Izzy sonic powers. Speed force is also a completely different power than sonic powers. He was also put him in a cage made for a speedster not for sonic meta. There is also the other fact that Izzy powers didn't bust through his shields but bypassed it. You whole point is moot.

Guess Barry shocks everyone by touching them. Means he can't carry people or he accidently shock them to death. He also touched everyone on team Flash with the residual effects in Flash point and none of them were shocked. The residual effects aren't electric unless concentrated. He has also shown to do this same punch for several season and has never shocked anyone with it.

No confirmation therefore fan speculation.

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Not gonna waste time with a troll.

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@jdogg:

You can take two seconds to look up the videos lol. Not on a computer therefore I cannot link the video.

I'll wait then.

Bcs their strength actually has feats lmao. He gets pasted from a punch and he has nothing to stop them.

What has this got to do with anything? you just completely dodged the entire question and also, I love a nice biased response from a rookie on CV, you're deliberately ignoring Thinkers feats..How do they punch him, he literally has a million hex abilities to win him the fight, are you slow?

Cowgirl never tagged Barry she only tagged the disc he threw up. Tgis was also training so Barry aint hust going to dumb fast on her. Devoe prepped on Barry and was tagged two times by people who aren't even anywhere near as fast as even S2 Barry.

That's still an impressive feat and I don't see anyone doing that except for maybe Clark so her tagging DeVoe is not a low showing as much as you make it out to be and regardless, doesn't matter if Barry wasn't going "dumb fast" on her, he was still going fast enough to blitz literally anyone in this gauntlet, DeVoe simply perceived Barry, why is so hard to admit he has better reaction time skill than anyone in this gauntlet? it's not that hard, stop being biased and Ralph tagging DeVoe was part of his plan, he literally says it right before he takes DeVoe's body lmao.

They can fly lol therefore the helium powers ain't doing jack.

LW and Silver Banshee can't fly, LW can only levitate which doesn't help you to get down and even if you do have flight, you still wont be able to cross out the gravitational impact with flight, doesn't work like that lol, it's common sense.

Weather wizard wasn't city level he about town for tsunami feat which he needs time to produce. He also has human level durability.

Central city, Cisco and Barry already dumbed it down for people like you by explicitly stating that it was going to destroy Central City lol and his durability has nothing to do with my post.

Hazard was never planetary (that means she can bust a planet which she can't). Yes bcs Barry or any meta besides WW with a tsunami can bust mote than a building? And can any take building busting punches? Ah no so the metals cap at wall-building lvl. Durability 99% of the time is human level.

Hazard was planetary and no, you don't necessarily have to bust a planet to be considered planetary level, her powers were planetary, her powers were increasing and had not stopped her, it would've effected the whole world as shown on the star labs radar and are you even listening to yourself right now? you're being so biased, and you're not even trying to hide it. You don't have to bust a planet to be considered a planetary level threat, and I said they had the "potential", I never said they actually did it (obviously because barry stopped them).

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@plotweapon16255: His lowballing is just so obvious, it's like arguing with Madballer, they ignore everything you say just to add their redundant argument that you already debunked.

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Clears with ease. RIP Dibny he's a nice guy when i liked him they killed him damn

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@tjakrabirawa: He's confirmed for next season, he's likely to be the only bus meta they save.

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@rampagethefirst:

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Need more evidence because there is a plethora of statements that state SG is the strongest of them all.

Because they can oneshot while Deveo has zero attacks that can actually oneshot. The dude get one punch and he dies.

Martians are on SG tier in stats and Livewire is as well that means they can most def blitz. Izzy nor Ralph are not anywhere near S2 Flash let alone current Barry.

The attack wasnt going to take out all of Central City, just the port side. Again needed prep so it's useless in a battle.

Potential is still squat in a battle. None of them have shown to affect or destroy a building and now you're trying to say the bus metals can affect country to planetary level because of pontential. That would be Planetary AoE as well not Planetary level.

Funny how you call me a lowballers yet it has been stated and shown numerous time that E1 is inferior to E38, and that Flash cannot hang with SG tier threats while she can easily dispatch Flash tier threats.

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Yeah he should clear.

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@jdogg: She can still perceive RF, she's not a complete statue and Barry is way above RF that it's not even funny so Kara throwing RF like that doesn't prove anything lol and regarding the 2nd scene, nobody even says she's the strongest of them all, and yes, she is stronger than the "legends", and legends aren't a part of the Flashverse anymore lol, like they stopped being a part of Flashverse way before that episode and I like how you're actually trying so hard to prove your point by conveying false information and just expecting me to take it at face value, Supergirl literally beat a bunch of people that have peak-human durability lmfao, except for Atom lol, who might I add was completely fodder against Eobard.

I'm not going to argue with you since you're obviously trolling and your lowballing is super obvious, I can provide evidence and you would just ignore them as you've done throughout this whole argument.

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@rampagethefirst: RF keeps up with Barry in several scenes therefore he's close to Barry in terms of speed.

Caitlin later in the episode says none of them can stop SG and that she is invincible to them.

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You are the opposite of a lowballer lol considering you hand out potential feats like nothing. And it seems you lack massive knowledge on every crossover or blatantly ignore clear statements that say SG is above every hero on E1 easily.