@dr_duby: Oh, well the speedsters and Kryptonians can obviously keep the gas away with funnels and super breath, but I don't think they can hurt him in that form.
Cw Team Runs The 616 Gauntlet
@bladeoffury: Well, dead Odin came back to save Thor from Hela so I guess he doesn’t rely on physical body that much? Thanos probably has instant shield though but even if he doesn’t, he is beyond the cosmic norm and with his future self’s help he can jump back from death just like this and become flesh again.
Please note that before this comic was even published in previous Run Death made it clear that both Thanos and Adam are outside of cosmic norms and her control and it was Future Thanos’s Plan from the start that all of these had to happen so Death wasn’t the only determiner to bring Thanos back. Thanos can come back more powerful every time or perhaps he might not even die from being phased based on His current state.
@dr_duby: Odin could have taken a while to come back from the dead, and he's actually going to have to function without a brain or regenerate it if he's to be of use. Same for Thanos. What makes you say he comes back more powerful each time?
I definitely feel like it's easier to argue for the speedsters here, if operating under the assumption that phasing bypasses durability.
@bladeoffury: Beause his Bio said so.
Odin didn’t take any while to come back from the dead. He fought being the dead itself Many times....And I don’t think it will slow him down or anything if they keep killing him because he is in Valhalla.... Thanos can return to life and fight them again if he dies. But wiping out his outer shell didn’t kill him when he was assaulted by the power fatal to Eternity and Galactus recently. I think losing organs is an issue to him now...
Well, I don’t know.
Can’t get past ice man
@dr_duby: Odin could have taken a while to come back from the dead, and he's actually going to have to function without a brain or regenerate it if he's to be of use. Same for Thanos. What makes you say he comes back more powerful each time?
I definitely feel like it's easier to argue for the speedsters here, if operating under the assumption that phasing bypasses durability.
Have Flash or anyone in CW team ever affected 616 Odin and Thanos level beings with their phasing ability? No, there phasing his useless here. They haven't phased anyone close or on par with 616 Thanos, let alone Odin. So, the phasing argument is moot here.
@tonystark6999: 616 Odin and Thanos level in what aspect?
Smallville Superman is fodder. He has no striking power or durability and his best speed feats are perceiving explosions and moving faster than them. Even Extremis Iron Man could do that and Bleeding-Edge is an upgrade.
His punch tossed zod FTL.
@tonystark6999: 616 Odin and Thanos level in what aspect?
Every aspect, power wise especially.
@tonystark6999: Damage output, speed, and strength are obviously irrelevant, and the argument for phasing is that it bypasses durability as well. It's a type of hax, which the characters need to show resistance to.
For example, does a telepath need feats of affecting someone as physically strong as a powerful character to take him out with TP? No, because physical strength is irrelevant when it comes to TP - it gets bypassed. TP is a type of hax, which the characters need to show resistance to.
@tonystark6999: Damage output, speed, and strength are obviously irrelevant, and the argument for phasing is that it bypasses durability as well. It's a type of hax, which the characters need to show resistance to.
For example, does a telepath need feats of affecting someone as physically strong as a powerful character to take him out with TP? No, because physical strength is irrelevant when it comes to TP - it gets bypassed. TP is a type of hax, which the characters need to show resistance to.
There is a thing called NLF. Since, Living Tribunal or the Beyonder haven't shown any resistance to phasing, I guess Flash solos them too?
If you want to me to believe that Flash can beat Odin or Thanos with his phasing, then you have to show that he can affect such powerful characters.
Affecting some Country to Continent level people with his phasing isn't the same as affecting some easily Solar System - Galaxy (Thanos) level beings with phasing.
@tonystark6999: How is the fact that the characters are "more powerful" relevant? The whole point of the phasing argument is that these aspects are bypassed. Would you say that MCU Dr Strange can't BFR 616 Thing with a portal because he's never BFRed anyone as "powerful" as Thing? Yes or no?
Affecting some Country to Continent level people with his phasing isn't the same as affecting some easily Solar System - Galaxy (Thanos) level beings with phasing.
Ur making NLF by assuming that high tier are invulnerable to phasing just because they are high tier.
@tonystark6999: How is the fact that the characters are "more powerful" relevant? The whole point of the phasing argument is that these aspects are bypassed. Would you say that MCU Dr Strange can't BFR 616 Thing with a portal because he's never BFRed anyone as "powerful" as Thing? Yes or no?
BFR is something different. Dr. Strange can't even BFR MCU Thanos with his portals let alone 616 Thing.
There is a thing called "No Limits Fallacy". Here's an explanation, https://topstrongest.fandom.com/wiki/No_Limits_Fallacy
Anwser this: Since, Living Tribunal or the Beyonder haven't shown any resistance to phasing, Flash solos them too?
Affecting some Country to Continent level people with his phasing isn't the same as affecting some easily Solar System - Galaxy (Thanos) level beings with phasing.
Ur making NLF by assuming that high tier are invulnerable to phasing just because they are high tier.
There is a huge difference between Country and Galaxy level beings. Does it make sense to you, when somebody says that a Continent level being (Flash) can beat a Galaxy level being (Thanos) with his phasing ability, just because the latter hasn't shown any resistance to said ability?
If you imply that Flash can affect Galaxy level beings with his phasing, then show some evidence to back up your point, I will gladly concede.
Affecting some Country to Continent level people with his phasing isn't the same as affecting some easily Solar System - Galaxy (Thanos) level beings with phasing.
Ur making NLF by assuming that high tier are invulnerable to phasing just because they are high tier.
There is a huge difference between Country and Galaxy level beings.
how that difference matter to a hax that bypasses durability?
If it make sense to you, when somebody says that a Continent level being (Flash) can beat a Galaxy level being (Thanos) with his phasing ability, just because the latter hasn't shown any resistance to said ability?
If you imply that Flash can affect Galaxy level beings with his phasing, then show some evidence to back up your point, I will gladly concede.
No, phasing works by moving through the space between atoms.
Unless you saying they aren't having space between atoms phasing should absolutely work on them.
Black Bolt stops them in their tracks.
Thinker can redirect back to BB using portal like he did to vibe.
http://imgur.com/2arrzgj
how that difference matter to a hax that bypasses durability?
If it make sense to you, when somebody says that a Continent level being (Flash) can beat a Galaxy level being (Thanos) with his phasing ability, just because the latter hasn't shown any resistance to said ability?
If you imply that Flash can affect Galaxy level beings with his phasing, then show some evidence to back up your point, I will gladly concede.
No, phasing works by moving through the space between atoms.
Unless you saying they aren't having space between atoms phasing should absolutely work on them.
Again, anwser this: Since, Living Tribunal or the Beyonder haven't shown any resistance to phasing, Flash solos them too?
BFR is something different. Dr. Strange can't even BFR MCU Thanos with his portals let alone 616 Thing.
BFR is a type of hax, one that doesn't need to overcome a character's durability to work. Wdym he can't BFR Thanos with his portals? Did he try?
There is a thing called "No Limits Fallacy". Here's an explanation,
https://topstrongest.fandom.com/wiki/No_Limits_Fallacy
"It usually means a certain ability is elevated to heights it was never shown to be capable of achieving." This refers to setting no limits on an ability regardless of the opponent's resistance to that ability. In our case, the opponents have no resistance to that ability so it isn't stretched to infinite levels, or any levels at all.
Here is an example they provided: "If you break wood with a kick, does that mean you can tear through steel with a kick?" See, they changed the object's (the wood's) resistance (durability) to the attack (the kick), and this resistance is actually applicable to this type of attack. But if, instead of increasing the applicable type of resistance (durability), they increased an irrelevant one (let's say they put a fire-proof cloth around the wood), the would would still be broken. Regardless of how heat resistant you make the wood to be, your kick will work just as well, as the resistance they're increasing isn't relevant to the type of attack. Same here, where changes in durability (or "power") don't affect the success of phasing, as that resistance isn't relevant to this type of attack.
Anwser this: Since, Living Tribunal or the Beyonder haven't shown any resistance to phasing, Flash solos them too?
If they have physical bodies, organs, and need those organs to stay conscious, he probably does (according to this argument). I don't know anything about those characters though, so I can't really say.
Black Bolt stops them in their tracks.
Thinker can redirect back to BB using portal like he did to vibe.
http://imgur.com/2arrzgj
Has thinker ever blocked a planet busting attack using his shields? Ill wait
@lord_titan_: Blocked? He didn't block anything. He created two portals to redirect the attack.
@lord_titan_: Blocked? He didn't block anything. He created two portals to redirect the attack.
Hes never redirected an attack on that scale
@lord_titan_: Blocked? He didn't block anything. He created two portals to redirect the attack.
Hes never redirected an attack on that scale
I don't get it. What does the potency of attack have anything to do with it traveling through space?
how that difference matter to a hax that bypasses durability?
If it make sense to you, when somebody says that a Continent level being (Flash) can beat a Galaxy level being (Thanos) with his phasing ability, just because the latter hasn't shown any resistance to said ability?
If you imply that Flash can affect Galaxy level beings with his phasing, then show some evidence to back up your point, I will gladly concede.
No, phasing works by moving through the space between atoms.
Unless you saying they aren't having space between atoms phasing should absolutely work on them.
Again, anwser this: Since, Living Tribunal or the Beyonder haven't shown any resistance to phasing, Flash solos them too?
Again, if their atoms aren't dense enough & can be killed by damaging/Removing organ.
Yes, he can potentially solo them.
nO lImIT FaLlAcY dOeS nOt eXiSt dErP
BoF with his bait smh
@professorrespect: Bfr is not allowed.
@millanine20: then dat luck manip would win then
@plotweapon16255: Where is the proof that Zod was launched at light speeds there?
@noone1996: Didn't Clark move a planet the size of Saturn or something?
@noone1996: Didn't Clark move a planet the size of Saturn or something?
yea, pushed it out of the atmosphere at pretty ludicrous speed - A bullrush of that magnitude should one hit anyone here
@plotweapon16255: Where is the proof that Zod was launched at light speeds there?
Zod's frozen heat vision while getting tossed.
Black Bolt stops them in their tracks.
Thinker can redirect back to BB using portal like he did to vibe.
http://imgur.com/2arrzgj
Has thinker ever blocked a planet busting attack using his shields? Ill wait
Why does he needs to block when he can redirect BB Sonic attack against him??
@noone1996: Didn't Clark move a planet the size of Saturn or something?
yea, pushed it out of the atmosphere at pretty ludicrous speed - A bullrush of that magnitude should one hit anyone here
WBH destroyed a planet as a side effect of his fight with RSH, they didn't even directly hit the planet, so he was tanking hits far above standard planet level, that bullrush ain't doing shit.
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