Fight to the death
Battle take place CW central City
1. Do we scale Kal's haxes to Kara's haxes/versatility ?
2. If so then only Doctpr strange BFR will work.
Otherwise Superman blitzes
Surfer solos
In what ? I don't recall from him any impressive feats. Galactus busting is not impressive since this Galan was trash without his prep time help
@yunobogoronhero: that's true, he still solos this soppy supes, he is casually way faster and he could depower supes.
Oh and nice alt
Surfer solos, Jean solos, Wanda might be able to solo if she can TP him, or use her reality warping outside the Hex. Dr Strange would be the only one getting blitzed, but he can easily BFR him if while he's distracted, not that he would need to.
@yunobogoronhero: that's true,
yyy Thank You ? ( i guess this is how should i reply )
he still solos this soppy supes,
Yummy 🧂🧂🧂🧂🤤🤤🤤 ! Give me more salt over here 👉\ _ /
he is casually way faster
WHere ? What is best Silver Surfer's non framecut/scene-transition feat ( however it has context how fast was it happening ) ?
1. He can only do that on the board + this is only travel speed, not combat unlike supes has.
2. He needs time to boost his speed during travel unlike SUpes who can do that anytime.
and he could depower supes.
Oh really ? When did he do that ?
If you mean that feat with "casting spell" on Human Torch of power swap touch this doesn't mean he can depower. Nothing was stated he can depower beings. Mechanism of that power was about making molecules to be in state of flux and it is said his cosmic radiation can transform matter.
This won't help since biologically/conceptually and DNAwise scaling to his cousin Kara already resisted leagues more powerful subatomic matter manipulation/transmutation of Biomax nanites which can filtrate subatomic particles of mystical kryptonite on planetar scale in 1-2 hours.
Oh and nice alt
Well i allowed my little sis to surf on internet and allowed her to enter CV so accidentally she deactivated mine account
Surfer solos,
I debunked this above
Jean solos,
If we use that "cosmic energy" wank i can agree unless we use his Quantum Tower upcharging feat which scales leagues above ( featwise, statementwise, scalingwise ) anything ever existed in MCU and Fox including Dormammu
Wanda might be able to solo if she can TP him,
First off needing upcharge her attack for 40-50 seconds to do that it is not useful not even close
or use her reality warping outside the Hex
Ep7 makes this questionable because of Agnes plot twist and Superman resisted fully concetrated reality warping on universal scale across whole history from Dawn Of Time + universes in DC are infinite expanding to greater infinity unlike finite MCU universe
. Dr Strange would be the only one getting blitzed, but he can easily BFR him if while he's distracted,
Only portal to another planet ( despite he himself said he can't teleport across planets while Endgame debunked it )
Mirror Dimension BFR is cool but he would close himself too with him.
not that he would need to.
@yunobogoronhero: yeah I agree with everything you are saying, just wanted to see what kind of arguement you would have because honestly this Surfer is overhyped on the vine.
Oh I better get that salt 😂
@yunobogoronhero: yeah I agree with everything you are saying, just wanted to see what kind of arguement you would have because honestly this Surfer is overhyped on the vine.
Oh I better get that salt 😂
Thank you
@stupidcoconut: I did not even realise phoenix Force Jean was in this lol. Yep that's a game changer
Woow busting random celestial object. How big then ? Maybe it could be kilometers in size.
Additionally mental quick thoughts projection is cool but it just makes facts seem to be portrayed faster than in reality.
Silver surfer or jean can solo CW universe.
Woow:
1. Bust a featless space fart whose best feat is slightly staggering fragment of Saturn's rings in pure space with zero gravity.
2. He wasn't even at the centre of that explosion which didn't have any context would it affect Earth ( like no threat )
3. Still needed upcharge his attack for 30 seconds while Galactus was waiting and doing nothing
4. Galactus's "brain" durability doesn't have to be same as rest of his corp
5. Lot of beings can oneshot that space fart from CW universe
@yunobogoronhero: He kill kryptonians.
@yunobogoronhero: He kill kryptonians.
Creative gif i admit 😀. WHy movie CGI makers don't hire you ?
Also Kara has tank leagues worse matter transforming/manipulating blasts ( can't make gifs since can't find on youtube ).
@yunobogoronhero: Phoenix kill him.
@yunobogoronhero: Phoenix kill him.
If we use that statement of giving spark to life in universe i can agree, but also about that busting celestial object we need to know the size.
Smallest habitable world like moon Enceladus is in diameter just as big as Great Britain. So this is not gonna really change anything.
Silver surfer or jean can solo CW universe.
Woow:
1. Bust a featless space fart whose best feat is slightly staggering fragment of Saturn's rings in pure space with zero gravity.
Can easily destroy planets.
2. He wasn't even at the centre of that explosion which didn't have any context would it affect Earth ( like no threat )
Surfer WAS the explosion.. In a sense.
3. Still needed upcharge his attack for 30 seconds while Galactus was waiting and doing nothing
And Superman isn't coming anywhere near him.
4. Galactus's "brain" durability doesn't have to be same as rest of his corp
He can dish out planet busting attacks, and survive himself by those attacks so he got planet level durability.
5. Lot of beings can oneshot that space fart from CW universe
None can, besides the universal destroying reality warpers..
Silver surfer or jean can solo CW universe.
Woow:
1. Bust a featless space fart whose best feat is slightly staggering fragment of Saturn's rings in pure space with zero gravity.
Can easily destroy planets.
Galan has only somehow staggered fragments of those rings. THis could be like gigatons of force by staggering such mini fragment.
Entire plot of movie was about starving galactus seeking out planets to eat organic and thermal energy from those sink holes which Norrin was preparing him for week. So this would make no sense that starving, weaker every second Galan can like Asura Destructor/Chakravartin style oneshot planets. So why he needs Surfer then ? This would be against whole plot of the movie.
2. He wasn't even at the centre of that explosion which didn't have any context would it affect Earth ( like no threat )
Surfer WAS the explosion.. In a sense.
Ok so explain me mechanism of that since we didn't see anything at all in zoomed mode. They didn't care to explain how did he manage to beat him. He could destroy his centre which was vulnerable resulting in some kind of chain reaction explosion were Surfer was far from centre of explosion.
Or explain me that mechanism.
3. Still needed upcharge his attack for 30 seconds while Galactus was waiting and doing nothing
And Superman isn't coming anywhere near him.
oh so Norin can instantly upload that attack ? Can he upload that attack simultaneously moving ?
Ah if this is your only counter then don't worry i can still strike with feats like stopping global Earthquakes caused by Crisis wave or uploading Quantum Tower. But not gonna use outliers.
Spoiler alert: Norrin is useless without board by statements of scientists, context and showings in the movie and Norrin has no feats to take absolute zero ( Max Lord statements ) freezing or lasers ( well parody of Super Skrull easily has roasted with heat Victor Doom with Surfer's powers ).
4. Galactus's "brain" durability doesn't have to be same as rest of his corp
He can dish out planet busting attacks,
Like what ? Firstly how large planet, secondly still needed long time to eat organic and thermal energy from it for a while leaving random planet ( prepped to extract by Surfer week earlier ).
and survive himself by those attacks so he got planet level durability.
Woow because he was so extremely far away from that so must be planet lvl durability. Well that means we all have black hole durability since all of solar system orbits Sagittarius A.
5. Lot of beings can oneshot that space fart from CW universe
None can, besides the universal destroying reality warpers..
Also beings who mess with time, kryptonians, martians, telepaths, cosmic forces like Speed Force, beings with prep technology.
@byondeon: As i see you seem not to be eager of replying then dude/ma'am listen. I am not trying to lowball, but we can't just use simple assumptions without canon confirmation from the movie/show/comicbook. Because Galactus look terryfying mainly due to size and is portrayed in foreground of destroyed planets well it is terryfying, but:
1. This doesn't imply instantly you have power like Death Star/Asura Destructor/Chakravartin/Bayonetta-Sheba style to oneshot those celestial objects crunbling into pieces spreading in all directions.
2. If you have heralds/servants then you always must have a purpose. In comics Surfer just checks on worthy planets then Galan eats on his own, but here Surfer just prepares planet to extract from the crust for unknown time period.
3. Galan is starving so this must weaken him. I find this moment as plothole when creation without explanation oneshots creator considering whole time as superior ( this is why movie failed and was hated generally ).
4. If you are near planet destruction you must take into consideration a distance, way of planets crumbling, dnesity. Some planets crumbling ends in super explosion with fragments rampaging at you but sometimes it gets crumbled slighlty
5. Don't assume every planet ever in fiction is like Earth in size, density, gravity, orbital trajectory, comprisal just like with moons or other habitable worlds. I wanna remind you habitable worlds can be as big as Titan, Mars, Europa or Encaladus ( moon smaller than Great Britain island ).
6. Fact that Surfer powers look cool, but they need to be explained. How can you tell me Surfer really phased thorugh glass, he could melt or destabilised it then or sth. How can we assume he absorbed the missile or maybe he just transformed into energy or sth else. Cool that Surfer was flying across space so what ? Superman also flew off screen across space without using his own kryptonian pod left in Fortress ( during Myriad ). But what if Surfer need time to access super speed. Surfer might have needed time to access it or maybe in space he can do that. Same for Supes there is no context.
Such assumptions are literal No Limit Fallacies. I know fans love using No Limit Fallacies toward "cosmic level characters ( despite idk who created this definition which i reject )", but i don't buy them and never will.
That's why i will keep "downplaying" reality warpers, magicians, power cosmic users either from DC/Marvel/Dragon Ball/video games.
Either we get some explanations like magic in Harry Potter ( exact limits, exact capabilities, counter spells, modifications etc. ) or we get such lame plotholes which fanboys use them as No Limit Fallacy.
Edit:
One thing i forgot to mention connected to NLFs. If are assuming facts out of nowhere without any confirmation this is no really debate, but fanboyism. This is the reason why i always roast viners in debates, because they use personal feelings like biased love to character wanking ( or vice versa with downplaying hatred ).
Feats with context, scaling with context and details, statements with context and sense to entire plot >>>>>>>>>> personal feelings, fan theories, WoG out of context.
This is why i currently constantly roast MCU Scarlet Witch fans and her fallacious reality warping or telepathy not even wanting to accept the plot twist of ep7 where Agatha confirms how was she influencing her life.
Woow busting random celestial object. How big then ? Maybe it could be kilometers in size.
Additionally mental quick thoughts projection is cool but it just makes facts seem to be portrayed faster than in reality.
Okay. I’m gonna have to step in here.
1) “Woow busting random celestial object. How big then ? Maybe it could be kilometers in size.”
You clearly didn’t watch the movie. That is the D’Bari planet. You should have asked instead of guessing.
2) “Additionally mental quick thoughts projection is cool but it just makes facts seem to be portrayed faster than in reality.”
That’s the purpose to begin with. CW Flash, Smallville, Justice League, and many, many movies and television shows uses this method to demonstrate the perspective of someone faster than your average person.
Woow busting random celestial object. How big then ? Maybe it could be kilometers in size.
Additionally mental quick thoughts projection is cool but it just makes facts seem to be portrayed faster than in reality.
Okay. I’m gonna have to step in here.
1) “Woow busting random celestial object. How big then ? Maybe it could be kilometers in size.”
You clearly didn’t watch the movie. That is the D’Bari planet. You should have asked instead of guessing.
I know that, i wanted that Altlord to get away from it. He constantly haunts CV with his Alt accounts. Well D'bari is planet, but how big then. Even worlds as big as UK or Texas can be habitable
2) “Additionally mental quick thoughts projection is cool but it just makes facts seem to be portrayed faster than in reality.”
That’s the purpose to begin with. CW Flash, Smallville, Justice League, and many, many movies and television shows uses this method to demonstrate the perspective of someone faster than your average person.
I know it is fast, but sometimes it projects things just too see facts quickly. But not denying your point
Dark Phoenix effortlessly wrecks superman, Silver Surfer beats superman, Wanda dies unless she catches him with her telekinesis, hmmm? Idk about Strange I haven't finished the Doctor Strange movie yet.
Woow busting random celestial object. How big then ? Maybe it could be kilometers in size.
Additionally mental quick thoughts projection is cool but it just makes facts seem to be portrayed faster than in reality.
Okay. I’m gonna have to step in here.
1) “Woow busting random celestial object. How big then ? Maybe it could be kilometers in size.”
You clearly didn’t watch the movie. That is the D’Bari planet. You should have asked instead of guessing.
I know that, i wanted that Altlord to get away from it. He constantly haunts CV with his Alt accounts. Well D'bari is planet, but how big then. Even worlds as big as UK or Texas can be habitable
2) “Additionally mental quick thoughts projection is cool but it just makes facts seem to be portrayed faster than in reality.”
That’s the purpose to begin with. CW Flash, Smallville, Justice League, and many, many movies and television shows uses this method to demonstrate the perspective of someone faster than your average person.
I know it is fast, but sometimes it projects things just too see facts quickly. But not denying your point
1) That is false. It takes only the right sizing, locations, and circumstances to create a habitable planet. Why do you think there have been no planets out there in the real universe with evidence of life beyond maybe some single celled organisms? Earth is unique in its structure due to the perfect conditions it holds in our solar system. I would presume that since no information on D'Bari was given, it should have at least similar enough conditions to Earth to be capable of holding life.
2) If it happens sometimes, then I have not seen it personally. Needless to say, I am pretty sure the intent and portrayal, nitpicking aside, is supposed to be exactly what is on-screen.
1) Earth is well sized but scientists have been researching there are planets smaller than Earth ( or moons ) which can be habitable. Like Enceladus moon of Jupiter is as big as Great Britain but habitable by logic. But not denying your statements. You can assume it is Earth like, but i don't like taking that risk
2) Agree to disagree
Why?
Jean likely solos but rest don't solo. Superman still esisted infinites greater reality warping than Wanda super meltdown strike
Superman can not resist any ****. Team stomps, not even a matchup. Whoever created this battle must be really hate Superman.
SUperman resisted infinities better reality warping/retcon from destiny book when Deegan was thinking "bigger" to destroy Superman his rival. So technically paragons scaling above him with hax should survive better like True Form Atropos power no selling like Sara did.
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