CW Supergirl VS DCEU Superman

@sexybayonetta22

Firstly it was literally said by Curtis ( or Wells ) she is nuke herself ( not solar blast but nuke/nuclear energy ) which will destroy entire Mid-West ( yes they said midwest and even by visuals this radical of explosion looked like likely to cover entire continent at max ) she wasn't even slightly wounded but passed out and woke up after 1-2 minutes tanking atmospheric entrance

RBT proved this to me earlier. It was a nuke that happened in space, so she was only hit with a wave of radiation.

Same Kara was selling Reign's probably max strikes while standing on the ground and it was confirmed by 30th century advanced computers Sam is draining magically power from Earth while standing on ground

Good for her. Clark was tanking hits from Zod that sent him to the tops of sky scrapers in 2-3 seconds. Striking feats for Reign? She seemed to only have decently better striking than Kara.

1 off screen feats ( done in possible future ) and 1 statement making her planet lvl.

I don't care. Clark is almost as strong, if not, as strong as Kara with better striking. Clark is a continent puller.

1. Magic power of all worldkillers to move moon out of orbit making solar eclipse

Ok?

Casually was with sword of juru ( to condense liquid matter in core ) and Harun-El ( to magically transform planet atmosphere, pedosphere, litosphere, core into Krypton ) creating deep craters which were reaching the core, instant city flooding tsunamis, people couldn't even stand on the ground, buildings including skycrapers were collapsing slowly, hurricane covering madagascar.

So she used magic to make the Earth shake and created natural disasters, your point? It's not like Clark is gonna be using magical attacks.

Reign was doing it casually + even being overpowered, by M'yrnn's with K'hollar Staff proves how powerful is martian magic of 666/death god of martian pantheon

Good for her

same power which can cast illusion, torture Martian Manhunter, reality warping via time manipulation and fire creation, energy absorbtion and reflection, teleportation, allowing skilled telepath to contact souls of death, containment of mystical sacred symbols ( analogy of biblical decalog ) + even Manchester admitted this divine relic can destroy the planet ( s3 finale shows Manchester wasn't lying like how M'yrnn turns himself into planet Earth to stabilize it, fix and trap Reign using full force of planet mass )

This is all magic. Its not like Reign has magic in this fight.

3. According to 2nd point Reign no sold M'yrnn's magic and escaped from magically enhanced core after 5-6 minutes

She's made of dark magic her self, you know?

4. In possible future ( if Reign succed ) destroyed entire other alien planet in hours.

And we literally have no idea how she does this.

5. Reign said she will crack world into half if she will kill Ruby

How exactly will she do this? Any specific details?

Kara's pure copy as basis training can create with normal punch casual 2-3 kilometers in radical earthquake making landslides in mountains or bridges to collapse and closer ground was getting to get crusshed into thousands of pieces.

With casual normal punches? I highly doubt you can give me proof of her creating Earth quakes with casual punches. We have no idea how she creates Earth quakes. To make it a striking feat is laughable.

Weakened can break Nth metal ( metal which can contain/release Central City one shoting blast and Brainiac said it is toughest element in existence + Legion rings from this metal are more expensive than entire future ship ) + more.

She did break nth metal on her own. She raised the building and dropped it which shattered it.

In conclusion, you didn't debunk anything.

I didn't ignore anything. You're just mad that you can actually prove she's country level.

@hulkbusterx9: Okay.

Yes. Yes it is. Their shock wave punches can send each other to the tops of sky scrapers.

seriously how is it there are many this shitty debaters on this site at one time? Back in the day randomsid aka RR79 was pretty unique in his ability to be a complete and total fucking moron and ignore everything you say....but now its like evvery other person on here debates like him. Im starting to think you were right and Arkham and Ridderlfan arent RR79.....there are just too many shitty debaters who debate like him

@death4bunnies said:

These... have legitimately never been more accurate.

Every other high tier ever sucks, guys. Comic high tiers break planets. But they don't make sHoCKwaVeSSSSSSSS. DCEU Superman >>>>>>>>>>>>> fiction. Let's ignore that other universes don't follow our physics.

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This is hands down, the dumbest things I’ve read on this site, and that saying something considering I read @rbt’s posts too.

@ourmanuel: I really wanted to say that, but it felt too mean. Glad someone did it for me.

@ourmanuel: You can't say that stuff here without context. People don't know you're joking. They don't know that you admire me as a debater and only say these shit as a joke.

Who says I’m joking tho?

Supergirl wins, obviously

@ourmanuel: Come on, now.

Like wow, Spiderfan and Hulkbuster really going all out in here.

After going through this thread, one can begin to understand why Ta Er does the things he does.

Not my fault you guys can't accept reality.

Truth

@supremegeneration: Lol you don't have a come back so you call me a wanker. Classic. If you wanna win a debate you just call em' a wanker am I right?

But but........... Statues dont fight back

Right, cause I totally called you that. Point out to me where I called you a wanker.

I don't think you're a wanker, just wrong.

In those gifs you posted, you did.

I quoted them, I didn't post them. When I called them accurate, I meant the mach cones bit, which is stupid, not the wanker part, but I guess technically I did.

@ourmanuel: Its not stupid, its facts. You all call me a wanker without proving how i'm wrong because you can't.

@death4bunnies: How is me debating for super man make me a wanker?

@hulkbusterx9: No offense, but CBM physics =/= RL physics. Shockwave =/= more powerful here. MCU Thanos is a great example.

Lol didnt call you a wanker.

In fact I didnt tag anybody.

But if you want a answer I think picking and choosing one special effect(the one the character your debating for has in spades) and saying this special effect(shockwaves/mach cones) are the Only thing that can make a strike impressive is a bit of wank.

Not that your a wanker, but the DCEU tendency to focus on DCEU style special effects is in my opinion wank.

Let me give a few examples of other ways to measure striking.

We can do a mass vs speed calculation.(this is the physics you seem to be focused on)

We can also determine a character or objects durability and see that a strike overcame that.

We can assess environmental damage.

I can keep going but I think you get my point; I think saying show me the shockwaves or it isnt impressive is a bit dismissive and kinda wankey.

@sexybayonetta22:

“This is not radiation because Overgirl physically exploded and got hitten with pure blunt force attack cmbining with head”

It was in space. Explosions release blunt force in the form of shock waves, which can’t exist in space because they have no medium to travel through.

“Reign like Kara was penetrating magic sortress sanctuary ( withstanding casually glacial mountain obliterating beam )”

And Clark casually backhanded a material that no sold re entry while weakened

“Legion ship ( withstanding blue star full radiation, sth like MCU Thor in Nidavellir )”

An energy resistance feat

“She is still vulnerable to kryptonite so physiologically not at all resistant. SHe broke through with brute strenght”

So a physiological feat?

“Yes they have equal strenght with punching but rushing strenght, lifting, heatvision, freeze breath she surpasses him. CW Superman already did that and even Winn Schott admitted it in first episode of S2. Kara surpassed him”

Clark is almost as strong, that was my point. You saying CW Clark also pulled a continent is unnecessary because Clark is almost as strong. Clark has better punching. Lifting doesn’t matter because the continent feat is way better than any lifting feat. They hardly use heat vision because it is draining, and they rarely use freeze breath.

“or was untouched after being 12 000 years underrock mass.”

How much rock? They are way more durable than rock.

“Bull rushing Reign is planet lvl at striking”

Lol if you actually believe that Kara has planet level striking then I guess I concede you win.

“Not at all. Those are powers of gods. Reign has also power of gods ( death god of kryptonian 666 “

Define powers

“She didn't really used magic. I explained to u. If magic was necessary to do it”

I hardly understand anything you’re saying because your grammar is so f***ing annoying and messed up. You said she used a magic sword to do those things, so what else am I supposed to believe?

“Yep u admit it”

Not a rebuttal

What about heatvision which casually one shoted Mon-El, Alura, Samantha as through piece of paper ? Power from the same dark valley dimension

She only did that while angry and full of rage with an adrenaline rush

Ok.

“emphasis of raw power which Reign has at her disposal. Pulling moon is Reeve Superman feat. That is practically above anything what has been shown in DCEU or MCU lool. “

So they used magic to move the moon out of orbit.

“Whaaat ? Did u even watch S4 ep1 beginning and finale ?”

How does she make earth quakes? Proof?

“She lifted building because was weakened by moon dust so tried to lift it in purpose to prevent Manchester killing Ben. She managed to do it and when building dropped she shattered it. Lool entire fabric wasn't even shattered or this solid puddle made of it and SOMEHOW metal covering her shattered. Woow definitely she didn't do it.”

All we saw was the building fall and the metal break, therefore the dropping of the building shattered the metal

“Yeah Kara is "weak" and "inconsistent".”

Never said Kara was weak, all I said was her striking is inconsistent.

Smh. Stop voting in the poll. It was 50-50 for such a long time. Don't ruin it.

Clark still stomps. This goes down exactly how Reign vs Kara went except Kara might not tag Clark as much.

@death4bunnies: There is a difference between being wrong and being a wanker. It’s not “a little wankey”, it’s just being wrong. I am the only one debating for super man so of course when i see your gifs I am gonna think it’s being directed at me. An object gains mass with speed, so it’s more impressive when it creates shock waves because it disrupts the air around the punch.

SG ftw

Again I understand the speed vs mass physics. I understand where the 'Air disruption' special effect comes from, and I can respect it as a valid measurement of force

I am just saying this is not the only way to measure striking.

You being wrong wasn't the problem, you explicitly refusing to accept any other measurements of striking force besides 'shockwaves' was the issue.

DCEU has done 'shockwave' special effect better than any live action universe I can think of; thats cool and all, but its not the be all end all.

Do you understand why I think its a bit wanky to only look to one special effect(that your character consistently creates) to determine striking power, or anything?

Let me give a couple examples of how this idea doesn't even hold up in the DCEU universe.

'Mach cones', Mach cones are real life physics that the DCEU has employed as a special effect to show mach+ speed. Including the often sited "mach speed punches"

Here DCEU Superman breaks the sound barrier, we get a mach cone, a sonic boom, the works.

Here DCEU Shazam doesn't make a mach cone, and he dam near outspeeds lightning.

Here DCEU Darla moves faster than lightning, and doesn't create a mach cone or a sonic boom, nothing.

Here DCEU Flash doesn't make a sonic boom, or mach cone; zero air disruption, Dianas hair didnt even move.

Do you see how different special effects were used; no one effect is more indicative than the others.

Is Supermans speed not great because he doesn't generate electricity, or is Flashes speed less than mach speed because he doesnt create mach cones. or Shazams because they use a blur effect?

'Shockwaves' similarly aren't the be all end all measurement of striking power, its just a special effect that you can glean some information from.

Durability of what your striking is another way. Environmental damage, distance you moved the mass of a object... these things all play a part also.

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I mean these are quotes from you correct?

"If there was no shockwave then it isn't as impressive."

"No shock waves = not as impressive"

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To be clear, Im perfectly cool with using shockwaves as a measurement of force; im less ok with acting like its the only measurement of force; and your explicit refusal to consider anything but a shockwave.

@rbt you getting all this?

@ourmanuel: Oh, I have been in front lines to hear those claims. Why do you think I no longer bother with the majority of AoS debaters?

@imgod_upoopoo: wow you’re so tough calling people names on a comic book site huh?

calling you names doesnt make me tough it just makes me truthful. Im not like the rest of the fools on here without a life. Im not going to sit here days on in saying the same shit to you knowing full well youre just going to ignore it and repeat yourself. being an irritating cunt. Im just going to call you an irritating cunt. The same shit deadbunny is telling you Me and sexy has told you days ago...

every fucking argument youve made in here has been destroyed...your response...oh you guys cant prove me wrong......theres no debating people like you.....im going to call you what you are a fucking dumb cunt...and move on. But before I do im going to show others how youre a dumb cunt (which i did days ago). It's not my responsibility to coddle and baby a cunt.

@hulkbusterx9:

Ok so let say that way, consistently:

Striking via punches: Superman

Striking via bullrushing: Kara

Striking via throwing: Kara

Lifting: equal or Kara

Durability: now Kara ut because of more screen time but next dceu movies may change it ( even kryptonite weakened one is still tough )

Striking via heatvision: Kara

Striking via Freeze breath: Kara

Combat speed: Clark or stalemate ( but Kara always adapts speed when sb is extremely fast guy )

Travel speed: Kara

Skills: Kara ( via training with J'onn or Alex )

Inteligence in combat: I agree Superman uses more brain in battle

But this is currently. Might change in future after new dceu movies and cw shows

Kara still clobbers him

@imgod_upoopoo: Is that really so? Where exactly were my arguments destroyed? Where exactly did I say you guys can’t prove me wrong?

@sexybayonetta22: How is Kara’s bull rush better? How is Kara’s throwing better? How is Kara’s heat vision better? How is Kara’s travel speed better? Clark is confirmed Mach 22-24. Zod threw Clark through multiple sky scrapers. Zods heat vision cut a building apart like butter. Clark is almost as durable because he shrugged off being hit to the top of a sky scraper and wasn’t crushed by a beam that was leveling the entire Earth. I agree with everything else though. This thread really made me respect Kara more thanks.

@hulkbusterx9: About lvl of destruction or mach speeds etc. in dceu or arrowverse special effects looks spectacular but there are movies on youtube showing real life logic/physics are different:

or super speed:

@hulkbusterx9: for instance in Shazam movie when Billy was lifting falling bus it is no way he could casually grab it by holding glass and put it normally. In real life glass would break easily and all people would die etc.

@imgod_upoopoo: You don’t have a life if you waste your time making new accounts to go onto a comic book website to throw around insults. You’re just going around spreading hate. You’re just as much of a cancer as the people you claim are trash and morons.

@sexybayonetta22: I agree Kara wins but don’t underestimate Clark.

No i don't underestimate him. Actually this is one of characters i instantenously get respect to him after fisrt his fight scenes ( like to DCEU Diana or DCEU Arthur or DCEU Diablo ). On the contrary to some CW guys ( like Martian, Diggle or Flash or Amaya Vixen )and MCU guys ( i only gained respect to Thor in IW but Endgame encourages me to lost respect to him, I had respect to solo movie Hulk and Avengers movie Hulk but rest he was getting much less savage ) i needed lot of time to get respect. True there are some mcu guys ( like Wanda, Iron man, Widow, Cap America, Cap marvel, Doctor Strange, Ant-man ) or CW ( Arrow, Constanitne, Sara, Mari Vixen, Steel, Supergirl/man, Atom ) i got respect to them instantly and still have