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Fight takes place on Asgard

Who wins

Savitar is disconnected from the Speedforce

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If Savitar has a weapon that can damage Hela, then he wins.

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#3  Edited By Rorgfist

Hela was night invincible in the movie, murderstomping whole armies of gods, in fact, with surtur as the only exception, hela doesnt seem to take damage by absolutely anything, and he gets hitted by pretty powerful guys, i think hela take this due to insane durability

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Savitar stomps

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Hela stomps.

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Phased through the heart

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@chaos239 said:

Phased through the heart

Which will do absolutely nothing to someone as durable as Hela.

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@mutant1230: Too bad she has no feats against durability ignoring attacks like CW phasing.

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@rorgfist said:

Hela was night invincible in the movie, murderstomping whole armies of gods, in fact, with surtur as the only exception, hela doesnt seem to take damage by absolutely anything, and he gets hitted by pretty powerful guys, i think hela take this due to insane durability

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@chaos239 said:

Phased through the heart

Which will do absolutely nothing to someone as durable as Hela.

So durable a random Asgardian blade pierced clean through her..

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Savitar just BFRs her to the end of time

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@chaos239 said:

@mutant1230: Too bad she has no feats against durability ignoring attacks like CW phasing.

So, following your logic Savitar could one shot Galactus since he has no durability feats ignoring attacks like CW phasing either. xD

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@rbt said:
@mutant1230 said:
@chaos239 said:

Phased through the heart

Which will do absolutely nothing to someone as durable as Hela.

So durable a random Asgardian blade pierced clean through her..

Because it damaged her so much... Oh wait!

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Savitar or stalemate. Hela is never tagging Savitar.

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@rbt said:
@mutant1230 said:
@chaos239 said:

Phased through the heart

Which will do absolutely nothing to someone as durable as Hela.

So durable a random Asgardian blade pierced clean through her..

Because it damaged her so much... Oh wait!

Do you get the difference between durability and pain tolerance? It would have been a durability feat if the blade didn't penetrate at all. But since it did and she no sold it, its a pain tolerance/regeneration feat.

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Wouldn't being disconnected from the speed force make him just a dude? Eh. Either way he can bfr her. I doubt she'll ever touch him. With no bfr I don't think he could hurt her.

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Wouldn't being disconnected from the speed force make him just a dude? Eh. Either way he can bfr her. I doubt she'll ever touch him. With no bfr I don't think he could hurt her.

When he was trapped in speed force, he was faster, could teleport and was invisible to anyone not connected to speed force. Later, after getting out of speed force, he was just a bit faster than Barry. I think that's what the OP means.

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@rbt: was likely uru or magic based, regardless we see her right after with no cut at all, so you did a good bringing up a great regeneration feat...

It was really the only time we had proof she could regen, since she received no damage the entire film except then and from surtur, thor’s strikes and even his biggest lightning bolt ever used did no known damage.

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#23  Edited By Mutant1230

@rbt: Bloody hell, fam. What part of getting stabbed and not being affected is so hard for you to get? I NEVER said the phasing would not work, I simply stated it wouldn't affect her. Just as the Blade didn't, your "evidence" proves my point ten fold...

If you're going to lowball a character, avoiding feats that illustrate their internal durability is probably a wise decision.

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@rbt: was likely uru or magic based, regardless we see her right after with no cut at all, so you did a good bringing up a great regeneration feat...

It was really the only time we had proof she could regen, since she received no damage the entire film except then and from surtur, thor’s strikes and even his biggest lightning bolt ever used did no known damage.

Yes, her healing is pretty good, but no one is denying that. Her durability, especially against piercing, isn't that great though like other Asgardian.

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@mutant1230 said:

@rbt: Bloody hell, fam. What part of getting stabbed and not being affected is so hard for you to get? I NEVER said the phasing would not work, I simply stated it wouldn't affect her. Just as the Blade didn't, your "evidence" proves my point ten fold...

If you're going to lowball a character, avoiding feats that illustrate their internal durability is probably a wise decision.

The part where you think its a durability feat. Wolverine getting cut up and healing in a second is not a durability feat, its a regeneration feat. How you are not getting that is beyond me.

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@rbt: Are we now resorting to Red Herring Fallacies now? What the hell does the semantics behind a "durability feat" have to do with Hela resisting Savitar's phasing? I'll give you a hint, there is none. She has internal durability/regeneration needed to resist it. Hence, he cannot actually hurt the Goddess of Death, and she stomps him even harder than she would Supergirl

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@rbt: Are we now resorting to Red Herring Fallacies now? What the hell does the semantics behind a "durability feat" have to do with Hela resisting Savitar's phasing? I'll give you a hint, there is none. She has internal durability/regeneration needed to resist it. Hence, he cannot actually hurt the Goddess of Death, and she stomps him even harder than she would Supergirl

And there you go.

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savitar curbstomps

@Mutant1230; I m pretty sure we ve been over this before. still relying on strawman I see.

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@Mutant1230; I m pretty sure we ve been over this before. still relying on strawman I see.

Are you referring to that dumpster fire of a discussion we had on the other thread? That:

  1. Wasn't even about if phasing can hurt someone, just if it could go through them.
  2. Went completely off topic by the end and was barely relevant to Speedsters or phasing in general.

Yeah, I remember. BTW Baselessly calling an argument a strawman with no rhyme or reason is actually a Strawman Fallacy in itself. Careful, Kroc.

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#32  Edited By kroczilla

@mutant1230: 1) yes it was about if phasing could both go through and hurt Hela which you failed to disprove (especially the part about her being more durable than cw supergirl whom Barry has phased through easily. Also that point about hela's internal organs being as durable as her externals which again you failed to prove)

2) I don't remember going off topic

You are bringing up a sky father tier character (galactus) into a match up between characters who frankly would be lucky to even make low Herald tier. How is that not a strawman?

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Savitar.

She can't touch this.

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Anything Savitar does to her, she'll just regen from. But she's never tagging him in a million years. Stalemate.

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@rbt said:
@Pokeysteve said:

Wouldn't being disconnected from the speed force make him just a dude? Eh. Either way he can bfr her. I doubt she'll ever touch him. With no bfr I don't think he could hurt her.

When he was trapped in speed force, he was faster, could teleport and was invisible to anyone not connected to speed force. Later, after getting out of speed force, he was just a bit faster than Barry. I think that's what the OP means.

That makes sense. I don't remember him hurting any non speedsters at that point.

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Hela stompith

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I'm just going to assume this is physical savitar.

Hela probably wins.

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Savitar cuts her into pieces in seconds.

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@kroczilla: I don't have to disprove what's yet to actually be proven. Speedster phasing by it's very nature only works on someone with a durability equal to or less than what their hand is capable of dispelling. The burden of proof is actually on you to show otherwise. I'll be waiting.

I also did prove that Hela's internal durability is extremely high since she tanked an Asgardian sword with no effect.

It's unbelievable. You made the exact same mistake as last time, I'm using hyperbole to illustrate a point. If we go with the broken logic that if nothing disproves Speedster phasing being fatal then it must be, where do we draw the line? Nothing proves Galactus a cosmic tier character would resist Savitar's phasing. Why does the logic not hold true with him? But it does with Hela? You completely took me out of context just so you could shamelessly assassinate my character because I'm not wanking the CW speedsters.

Overall, since my sarcastic attempts to show this went over your head, just because there's no example of Hela literally resisting Speedster phasing doesn't mean that she can't. The Goddess has feats more than proving she would be capable of it, the burden of proof is solely on you if you want to disprove this.

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#44  Edited By Rorgfist

savitar cant hurt her, hela would need considerable time and effort to be able to hit savitar, but savitar cant hurt hela and hela can hurt savitar, end of the line, is that simple, only the wankiest of all speedwankers could think this is even a fight

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Savitar is the Biggest Jobber to ever Job in the History of Jobbers

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@Mutant1230; " Speedster phasing by it's very nature only works on someone with a durability equal to or less than what their hand is capable of dispelling. The burden of proof is actually on you to show otherwise. I'll be waiting."

you don't say. I mean, it not like flash hasn't phased through Supergirl and even reverse flash phased through dwarf star alloy and killed the atom. those are clear instances of speedsters phasing through beings/objects more durable than Hela herself.

I already explained how phasing works which you failed to disprove. it's attack on at the very least, a molecular lvl. conventional durability doesn't mean crap.

I didn't take you out of context though. I used your exact words which basically compared mcu Hela to frickin galactus. call it whatever you like, it's a strawman by definition.

nothing proving that galactus can resist phasing except for the fact that even Herald lvl characters can resist absolute zero, matter deconstruction etc. basically attacks which like phasing also ignore conventional durability and you know that very well but for some reason still abuse the strawman fallacy.

" The Goddess has feats more than proving she would be capable of it"

so Hela has feats of resisting attacks on a molecular to atomic lvl? pray, do tell.