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#1  Edited By Eobard21

Morals off

Take place in metropolis

Lastest version of thawne

Post jl Superman

No prep

No knowledge

Who wins ?

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Sups gets the phase treatment. Thawne is faster, plus he has better knowledge on how to use his speed compared to the other dude.

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I'm guessing that Thawne is a lot faster than Superman. If he is then Superman dies by getting a hand phased into his chest.

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Eobard phases Clark.

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Same old Can speedsters phase through X or not.

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IIRC Superman is faster than CW Thawne, weren't his feats around Mach 2 - 3 level. Superman has gone far faster and can also enter Flashtime. He should stomp then.

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#9  Edited By Eobard21

@subline: No Thawne is far above Mach 2-3 and what do you mean by supes entered Flashtime ? Also thawne is close to s4 barry level

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@eobard21 said:

@subline: No Thawne is far above Mach 2-3 and what do you mean by supes entered Flashtime ? Aldo thawne is close to s4 barry level

I mean that Superman entered Flashtime when he was fighting the JL, when he fought DCEU Barry. What feats does Thawne have that put him at S4 Flash level. Remember, S4 Flash is almost if not faster than light.

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@subline: Well remember he fought Barry in the crossover and they seemed equals

They both went so fast that they fought Around the whole city while everyone/everything was frozen

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"does CW phasing work on live action powerhouses?" Thread #122356734168775.

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@subline: Well remember he fought Barry in the crossover and they seemed equals

They both went so fast that they fought Around the whole city while everyone/everything was frozen

The crossover happened 7 episodes before Barry's Nuke feat, so RF matching him isn't that impressive. As Barry back then didn't have much good speed feats. When Superman fought Flash in JL Wonder Woman was frozen in mid air and she was just thrown. And Thawne doesn't have anything on this level IIRC:

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@subline: Superman going as fast as Season 4 Flash? That's a good one. Also that's a travel speed feat, so that means very little here. Tis a bit of a wank going on

The fact you think Thawne is going at mach 2 or 3 shows how little you actually know.

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Depends on how eobard fights.

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@subline: Barry did have some good feats before the crossover not as good as the China feat/nuke feat but still

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@subline: Superman going as fast as Season 4 Flash? That's a good one. Also that's a travel speed feat, so that means very little here. Tis a bit of a wank going on

The fact you think Thawne is going at mach 2 or 3 shows how little you actually know.

Someone's salty... I said IIRC, and I don't remember saying Superman was as fast as Season 4 Flash, I proved that he's faster than Thawne while you just claim I know "little" yet you don't even provide feats. Smh.

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Boy, we've never had one of these thread before. /s

OT: Superman.

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@subline: Huh? You said Superman was going at Flashtime, which is primarily a CW invention. That implies you are saying that DCEU Superman can go at those speeds, which he clearly can't. Unless you mean DCEU Flash, which in that case isn't Flashtime at all (it's made up) nor is it any closer to the speeds that CW Flash can go at.

You didn't prove anything, you said that Thawne's speed was Mach 2 or 3....... that's so wrong, it doesn't need debunking. Any of Reverse Flash's feats beyond season 1 are far above that. To create Time remnants requires the person to be going at least above that, based on who has done it and the speed needed for time or dimensional travel.

Thawne also contended with season 4 Barry in a extremely close fight. You also saying that Barry had no impressive feats before Flashtime is a bit silly, season 2 Barry was able to beat Zoom, who was about Mach 19 in speed. Barry since then has been buffed by the speed force, so he is above that, making Thawne about the same speed as he was able to beat Barry the first few times they met in the crossover and were pretty much equal in their last fight. You gave one travel speed feat, which for obvious reasons, doesn't mean much here.

I'm salty because I contested your lack of knowledge with CW characters? Not sure you know what that word means.

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Superman snaps his neck.

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Huh? You said Superman was going at Flashtime, which is primarily a CW invention. That implies you are saying that DCEU Superman can go at those speeds, which he clearly can't. Unless you mean DCEU Flash, which in that case isn't Flashtime at all (it's made up) nor is it any closer to the speeds that CW Flash can go at.

What I was trying to say is that he can enter a Slow-Mo perception of time. I'm not comparing to current CW Flash, there's no need to bring him up.

You didn't prove anything, you said that Thawne's speed was Mach 2 or 3....... that's so wrong, it doesn't need debunking. Any of Reverse Flash's feats beyond season 1 are far above that. To create Time remnants requires the person to be going at least above that, based on who has done it and the speed needed for time or dimensional travel.

To create a time remnant all you have to do is time travel, time traveling in the CW requires a speed of around 900mph which is just above Mach 1. So, not very impressive.

Thawne also contended with season 4 Barry in a extremely close fight. You also saying that Barry had no impressive feats before Flashtime is a bit silly, season 2 Barry was able to beat Zoom, who was about Mach 19 in speed. Barry since then has been buffed by the speed force, so he is above that, making Thawne about the same speed as he was able to beat Barry the first few times they met in the crossover and were pretty much equal in their last fight. You gave one travel speed feat, which for obvious reasons, doesn't mean much here.

Yes he did, he contened with Season 4 Barry around 7 episodes before "Flashtime". So... if you're trying to say Thawne is almost as fast as light, he's DEFINITLEY not, or even near. What feats suggest Zoom is around Mach 19, as far as I'm concerned he's in the Mach 8 region. I actually just checked and CW Barry at the time he fought RF he was around Mach 1,100. Assuming he was even going that fast, then Thawne should be slightly below that. But there is nothing really to indicate that. Anyway, DCEU Superman has gone around Mach 900 anyway.

I'm salty because I contested your lack of knowledge with CW characters? Not sure you know what that word means.

Yet clearly I know more about the CW characters than you, most of your speeds were wrong, and I've provided more CW feats than you anyway, and I'm arguing against a CW character.

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@subline: Rather than respond to all of that guff, let me ask you a question- when has Superman went at Mach 900 in combat? To clarify, the speed of sound is about 331.3 meters per second, and Mach 900 is 298,170 Meters. Something tells me Superman isn't that fast in combat.

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Eobard phases his heart out.

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@diarrhearegatta:

Rather than respond to all of that guff

That's a great way to ignore my points but whatever.

let me ask you a question- when has Superman went at Mach 900 in combat? To clarify, the speed of sound is about 331.3 meters per second, and Mach 900 is 298,170 Meters. Something tells me Superman isn't that fast in combat.

He didn't go at that speed in combat, that's not what I said. But if you're going to say that, then neither has CW Flash or Reverse Flash, Flash has only gone at Mach 1,100 in terms of travel speed. But if you only include Combat Speed. They are the same speed. As their top combat speed is their slowed down speed, which can't be calculated but is practically the same. So if they're the same speed, Superman stomps, as he has every other advantage.

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@subline said:

IIRC Superman is faster than CW Thawne, weren't his feats around Mach 2 - 3 level. Superman has gone far faster and can also enter Flashtime. He should stomp then.

Lol,NO.

Unless u think Superman can fight along Barry who has mach 70K speed feat.

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Reverse Flash can blitz him all day long, but as every other CW speedster thread, he can't hurt people with high durability.

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@plotweapon16255: Smh, I'm not going to write my post out again in full. Read post #14, 18, 22 and 27. Then make your argument.

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@plotweapon16255: Smh, I'm not going to write my post out again in full. Read post #14, 18, 22 and 27. Then make your argument.

There is nothing in those post suggesting that superman has a chance against RF who fought Barry who has mach 70K feat.

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@plotweapon16255: Ok, so I guess you didn't read my post:

Yes he did, he contended with Season 4 Barry around 7 episodes before "Flashtime". So... if you're trying to say Thawne is almost as fast as light, he's DEFINITLEY not, or even near. CW Barry at the time he fought RF he was around Mach 1,100. Assuming he was even going that fast, Thawne should be slightly below that. But there is nothing really to indicate that. Anyway, DCEU Superman has gone around Mach 900 anyway.

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Superman gets blitzed

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#34  Edited By plotweapon16255

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@plotweapon16255: Ok, so I guess you didn't read my post:

None of ur post has anything relevant to what I said!!

Yes he did, he contended with Season 4 Barry around 7 episodes before "Flashtime".

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So... if you're trying to say Thawne is almost as fast as light, he's DEFINITLEY not, or even near.

Where did I say anything about light?

CW Barry at the time he fought RF he was around Mach 1,100.

Based on what exactly?

Assuming he was even going that fast, Thawne should be slightly below that.

Not disagreeing.

But there is nothing really to indicate that. Anyway, DCEU Superman has gone around Mach 900 anyway.

I have already mentioned u multiple times that superman has mach 3.4K feat, genius.

& Barry has mach 70K feat.

70K>>>>>>>>3.4K

Current RF >>>>> Flashpoint RF who did this.

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To someone who tanked a hit by a train at top speed carrying heaviest metal in the universe.

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@plotweapon16255: Please, just stop trying.

None of ur post has anything relevant to what I said!!

Ok -_-

The China feat was 4 episodes after Thawne fought Flash, Flash had no speed of feats on that level at the point that he fought Thawne.

Where did I say anything about light?

I was actually referring to the other guy, as it was quoted.

Based on what exactly?

Running to star city and back in around 5 seconds was his best feat then. Which is around Mach 1,100.

Not disagreeing.

Cool.

I have already mentioned u multiple times that superman has mach 3.4K feat, genius.

& Barry has mach 70K feat.

70K>>>>>>>>3.4K

Ok, just so I don't have to write it another 100 times. I'll write it in caps: BARRY COULDN'T GO AT MACH 71K AT THE TIME HE FOUGHT THAWNE.

Current RF >>>>> Flashpoint RF who did this.

Ok, nice striking feat. But I don't see what you are getting at here. Superman has far better striking feats. Also, stopping a train isn't a durability feat.

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@subline said:

@plotweapon16255: Please, just stop trying.

???

The China feat was 4 episodes after Thawne fought Flash, Flash had no speed of feats on that level at the point that he fought Thawne.

Running to star city and back in around 5 seconds was his best feat then. Which is around Mach 1,100.

Ok, just so I don't have to write it another 100 times. I'll write it in caps: BARRY COULDN'T GO AT MACH 71K AT THE TIME HE FOUGHT THAWNE.

Barry did both feat casually without breaking a sweat & he clearly didn't get any amp in speed during those episode so considering that entire city was frozen while they were fighting it pretty much says they are fighting at top speed.

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I was actually referring to the other guy, as it was quoted.

Again, Barry did both feat casually & there is nothing suggesting he wasn't using top speed.

Ok, nice striking feat. But I don't see what you are getting at here.

He could potentially one shot.

Superman has far better striking feats.

Nope.

Also, stopping a train isn't a durability feat.

Getting hit is a durability feat.

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Thawne stomps.

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@plotweapon16255:

Barry did both feat casually without breaking a sweat & he clearly didn't get any amp in speed during those episode so considering that entire city was frozen while they were fighting it pretty much says they are fighting at top speed.

So just because they are frozen, that means they are almost light speed according to you. As he "clearly didn't get any amp". Well, I guess Superman is also light speed then, as Wonder Woman and Aquaman were frozen when he fought Flash, even after they had just been thrown.

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He could potentially one shot.

Ok. He'll one shot a guy who tanked hits from Kryptonians at Super Speed. Makes sense.

Getting hit is a durability feat.

He stopped the train, it's more of a strength feat.

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thawne was scared of the evil supergirl. there is no way that he is beating the dceu superman.

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Will since they don't know anything about each other I say Superman

Im thinking Thawne wouldn't try to phase through his chest from the start

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@subline said:

@plotweapon16255:

So just because they are frozen, that means they are almost light speed according to you.

As he "clearly didn't get any amp". Well, I guess Superman is also light speed then, as Wonder Woman and Aquaman were frozen when he fought Flash, even after they had just been thrown.

Nobody is talking about light speed,

Ok. He'll one shot a guy who tanked hits from Kryptonians at Super Speed. Makes sense.

Considering that he took down a guy who took full load of dwarf star alloy train at top speed.

He stopped the train, it's more of a strength feat.

After getting hit by it.

Ur childish straw man argument isn't gonna work here.

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@plotweapon16255:

Nobody is talking about light speed,

Well, I remember you saying that CW Flash didn't get an amp since the crossover. And current Flash is light speed. And you said that Flash & RF were at top speed just because everyone is frozen. And Flash's top speed is light speed. So using that logic, DCEU Superman is light speed too as everyone was frozen.

Considering that he took down a guy who took full load of dwarf star alloy train at top speed.

Well the feat is unquantifiable. We don't know it's density or anything important about it, we just know that it's strong. So the feat is basically him getting hit by a train.

Call me childish if you want. Fact is Superman is the better Striker, he is Stronger and More Durable. RF is slightly faster. That won't give him the win.

Tell me when RF can tank hits like this:

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Tell me when RF can hit like this, he would die here:

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And Superman is no slow coach:

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@subline said:

@plotweapon16255:

Well, I remember you saying that CW Flash didn't get an amp since the crossover. And current Flash is light speed. And you said that Flash & RF were at top speed just because everyone is frozen. And Flash's top speed is light speed. So using that logic, DCEU Superman is light speed too as everyone was frozen.

Stop ur light speed bullshit.

No one is light speed at this point, it's a well established fact.

Well the feat is unquantifiable. We don't know it's density or anything important about it, we just know that it's strong. So the feat is basically him getting hit by a train.

It's a train carrying 8+ full load of dwarf star alloy which is the heaviest metal in the world.

& he was barely phased by it.

Call me childish if you want.

Ur not just childish, ur pulling childish straw man argument.

Fact is Superman is the better Striker, he is Stronger and More Durable.

Again, he doesn't have any durability at this moment near that train feat.

RF is slightly faster. That won't give him the win.

RF is at least 20 times faster than Clark.

Tell me when RF can tank hits like this

It's never gonna happen.

Tell me when RF can hit like this, he would die here:

Already explained.

And Superman is no slow coach:

Lol, he would be a statue to RF.

I am not gonna reply to u if ur gonna continue this straw man argument & stupid trolling.

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@plotweapon16255:

Stop ur light speed bullshit.

No one is light speed at this point, it's a well established fact.

Lol. Barry's nuke feat put at around 99% of Light Speed. Then the Picosecond feat placed him above Light Speed.

It's a train carrying 8+ full load of dwarf star alloy which is the heaviest metal in the world.

& he was barely phased by it.

Unless you can say how much it weighed (you can't) the feat is disregarded.

Ur not just childish, ur pulling childish straw man argument.

Wow, thats ironic. Considering in your previous post you said "Instead of replying to all that" and then just ignored around 75% of my comment.

Again, he doesn't have any durability at this moment near that train feat.

The feat that is unquantifiable therefore disregarded?

RF is at least 20 times faster than Clark.

Smh. RF is at max Mach 1,100 by inaccurate scaling. DCEU Supes is at Max Mach 900 by a proper feat.

It's never gonna happen.

That's right.

Already explained.

Debunked.

Lol, he would be a statue to RF.

Says the guy with no calculations (You) to the guy with calculations (Me).

Seriously I feel like you're the one trolling, you repeatedly disregard my calculations and half of my posts. While I reference every part of your argument. Yet mine is the "Straw Man" argument according to you.

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Not gonna reply to ur bullshit.

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C'mon guys lets agree to disagree

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Thawne slaughters him

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Reverse flash stomp.