CW Heavy Hitters vs MCU Heavy Hitters

@gohindasuperman:

Please shorter.

I'm not here to read an essay.....

@gohindasuperman: Ok

CW heavy hitters win

Dont mind me, eating my popcorn, this is getting gud.

The reverse flash, flash, and firestorm(while being the only ones who can survive), are strong enough to win. It's arguable that the first two can blitz, and firestorm's matter manipulation abilities should secure him as a powerful opponent too.

not knowledgeable on supergirl(stopped watching it in S2), so she might be strong too idk.

@gohindasuperman:

The problem as I wrote in our another discussion that Speed Force is metahuman ability, while Hex is real magic. Meta =/= magic and it was stated by Oliver, Damien, etc. several times. Kara never fought someone like Damien, Nora, John Constantine, Fortuna, Mallus etc.

Kara overcame Psi only by logical contradiction and due to Alex words, while Psi then affected Reign, who was > Kara and was created via magic actually.

All Kara feats are actually countering technological mind manipulations like Myriad or Brainiac/Lena devices, not magical, especially, which scales to Big Bang.

Sara is Paragon too. Rip used simple device to KO her. She was absolutely helpless every time when faced Damien as magic user. Every time. She hasn't resistance to TK/TP of true magic user. Remember that I wrote to you about Oliver and Fortuna, yes?

Yes, Barry and Kara can stop time in verse, but remember that Hex scales above multiversal reality, which includes all realities and verse in one of which that guy from 5th dimension lives.

Barry time manipulations can be predicted like she predicted Ultron plan.

Barry can stop time, while Wanda still can warp reality and use her TP, TK and all other abilities in time stop.

I agree that w/o Wanda CW wins, but not with Scarlet Witch on MCU side. And I don't write that this is stomp or something else. This is a hard battle for SW, because all in her team would be taken out pretty quickly. They are just no match for Barry or Kara, but I can see Wanda tips the scales in MCU team favor.

@professorrespect: CW speed advantage counters via TP prediction.

@vinervvvvv: Actually all CW mind control resistance in main part based on feats only of resistance to technological/ metahuman powers, but not real magic powers.

And Hex scales to Big Bang, so I can't see how they can resist this reality warp, lol.

Also, Wanda probability field manipulation scales at least on multiversal level.

MCU team stomps

Flash solos. Lock this mismatch.

Captain marvel solos and im dead serious.

@emperor99 said:

if this battle is speed equalized then wanda can solo - i don't think anyone is really denying this fact

problem is it's not speed equalized and 3 of the cw team are capable of statuing with enough attack potency to kill every single person

with even one of the three being thousands of time faster than light by feats

Many powerful CW heavy Hitters are missing yet they still win lol.

@vinervvvvv: This is MCU Wanda abilities from Civil War and Wandavision

@emperor99: Yes?

MCU Wanda isn't multiversal

@vinervvvvv: Hex scales to Bing Bang by statements. Big Bang created all multiverse. Probability manipulation creates new parallel verses in theory of quantum physics and MCU leans it.

@emperor99:

When/Where was stated that MCU Wanda's hex scales to the Big Bang?

@vinervvvvv: In Wanda vision was stated that energy of hex has the same signature with it

@emperor99:

Statements can sometimes be wrong. Does she have any multiversal feats?

@vinervvvvv: As SW she hasn't multiversal level feats currently, but her powers has universal level feats.

@emperor99: universal you say?

CW stomps.

Team 2.

@gohindasuperman: So, this is the main problem of our discussion. Bcs we can't decide how to compare MCU and CW magic in terminology.

Bcs in other thread we compared Wanda with Darhk, whi is a true magic user in CW, while her we compare her with meta powers at most.

1) At first SHIELD/HYDRA explanation about Wanda magic are irrelevant after "Wandavision" for obvious reasons.

2) SHIELD/ SWORD can create some techno-magical weapon to counter and harm Asgardians, but they weren't able to handle with Wanda power at all, which means that her Chaos Magic =/= something, which can be explained by science.

3) As I showed on Sara example, Paragons can be affected by true magic: TK (Damien), hypnosis/ possession (Mallus), some kind of reality warping (Nora).

4) Now about hex. Not say that we scale it to BB due to relict bcs Hex showed at least one ability from every Infinity Stone (IS).

IS have versal level feats.

Field probability manipulation should affect in multiversal level by logic from quantum physic.

5) Now Barry. Why someone like Speed Force wraith effect can't be countered via reality warp, which includes probability manipulation?

6) Only one point where I can agree with you is that we still haven't enough knowledge about MCU cosmology.

@hydratedfubuki6: yes, *universal. IS have universal level feats. They have the similar signature and abilities with hex(despite hex is only "city level"), and it was a reason why mind stone showed Wanda her powers.

@gohindasuperman: Energy attacks, thunderclap, phasing, laser blast, freeze breath - all these things counters via psionic shield and transmutation.

Since when is Manchester Black a heavy hitter? anyway, CW speed is too much for MCU team, CW wins.

@thorwins1875:

Phasing so Supergirl could pass through Flash, is not proof he could actually phase/damage her or MCU characters of super durability. The Savitar armor was thin and hollow, so phasing through it/damaging it shouldn't be a problem. Ultron is not hollow metal. Using speed force against a metal meant to absorb energy, might not be a good idea.

CW team wins

@gohindasuperman:

Eh, Hela's wound closed up (no blood loss) as soon as Uru blades and Odin Spear were removed.