CW Green Arrow VS MCU Killmonger

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Oliver Queen

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Erik Stevens

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  • Both armed with twin blades as seen in their pictures
  • Fight takes place on a mountain with a beautiful sunset
  • Starting distance 10 feet
  • Must fight shirtless just like the trials they participated in
  • Obviously no suit and herb for Erik
  • Oliver is pre-LoA training not pre-season 3 as a whole
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#3  Edited By Stormdriven

Wrong forum

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#4  Edited By blackspidey2099

Is "Erik Stevens" a spoiler for Black Panther or did you mean Erik Killmonger? Either way, sorry but I haven't watched BP yet so can't comment. I'll definitely come back after watching because I'm interested to see how this battle goes.

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@rogueshadow: Thank you, what're you're thoughts on the match if you don't mind me asking?

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Hmm.......I'm thinking Erik takes this in an absolute slobberknocker of a fight.

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Wrong forum

I honestly could've sworn I made this a battle.

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Killmonger

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Will be back after I watch it.

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Hard to make a case for Killmonger without the herb. We need a better understanding how good T'challa is without the herb and his one feat is beating M'baku. If M'baku gets more feats in infinity war this would help Killmonger be more established.

I'll back Oliver for now. If Killmonger had the herb he would wreck.

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#15 rogueshadow  Moderator

Oliver would probably be better going unarmed or with a bow at this point in his career. Then again, trying to beat a swordsman as skilled as Ra's at his own game was bound to end tragically but Erik isn't as skilled as Ra's so it would likely be far less damning.

I'll go with Oliver.

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Oliver would stomp herbless and suitless T'challa or Killmonger

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#17 krisbishop  Moderator

Is "Erik Stevens" a spoiler for Black Panther or did you mean Erik Killmonger? Either way, sorry but I haven't watched BP yet so can't comment. I'll definitely come back after watching because I'm interested to see how this battle goes.

Erik Stevens is just his real name in the movie. Killmonger was his nickname.

@jashro44 said:

Hard to make a case for Killmonger without the herb. We need a better understanding how good T'challa is without the herb and his one feat is beating M'baku. If M'baku gets more feats in infinity war this would help Killmonger be more established.

I'll back Oliver for now. If Killmonger had the herb he would wreck.

This ^

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OP states Oliver is Pre LOA training. Pretty sure Killmonger wins this. Herb enhances abilities, but you still have to know how to do all that stuff. Think Cap after his super soldier serum. Sure he was strong and quick, but he didnt know how to fight. Killmonger knows how to fight, and not only that, Defeated TChalla straight up, and TChalla defeated MBaku. What feats does Pre LoA Training Oliver have with swords? He got wrecked easily.

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Yeah herb-less Erik/T'Challa have no feats.

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Yeah herb-less Erik/T'Challa have no feats.

T'Challa beat M'Baku, Erik has quite the history in killing as well.

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OP states Oliver is Pre LOA training. Pretty sure Killmonger wins this. Herb enhances abilities, but you still have to know how to do all that stuff. Think Cap after his super soldier serum. Sure he was strong and quick, but he didnt know how to fight. Killmonger knows how to fight, and not only that, Defeated TChalla straight up, and TChalla defeated MBaku. What feats does Pre LoA Training Oliver have with swords? He got wrecked easily.

What do you mean by this? Keep in mind I said pre-LoA training, Oliver has had Malcolm train him in sword fighting after he came back from the dead.

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Oliver would stomp herbless and suitless T'challa or Killmonger

I wouldn't say stomp. T'Challa is roughly on par with Cap and Buck who have gone up against characters one tier above them. So basically it's no different from a peak human martial artist like Oliver taking on an enhanced opponent since they close the stat gap through skill.

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@marvelanddcfan24 said:

Oliver would stomp herbless and suitless T'challa or Killmonger

I wouldn't say stomp. T'Challa is roughly on par with Cap and Buck who have gone up against characters one tier above them. So basically it's no different from a peak human martial artist like Oliver taking on an enhanced opponent since they close the stat gap through skill.

I think being depowered makes a huge difference. T'challa has spent 8-10 years with the herb so fighting without it he has to change his fighting style drastically. He can't perform movements like this:

He would also feel weaker and slower than normal. Plus the herb also gives the user super human instincts so it actually enhances fighting ability. I think T'challa beating M'baku is a good feat when you consider all of this however we need a better understanding of how good M'baku is. He beat up some fodder and showed some really impressive strength.

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Literally just got to the movies. I'll reply later. Y'all give a man no time lol.

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@jashro44: I see where you're coming I just don't think he'll be stomped.

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Pre-LoA Oliver loses while Al-Sah-him Oliver stomps.

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Just saw BP and Monger doesn't have the feats to take Ollie. T'Challa doesn't have the feats without the herb either.

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@danieldaripper: So this is Oliver after his training with Malcolm but prior to his training with Ra's?

Oliver should take it in a good fight then.

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Literally just got to the movies. I'll reply later. Y'all give a man no time lol.

Well you've seen it. What's your opinion?

Damn, B! I just walked through the door. Can I take my shoes off first?

Why? Just answer the question. Nobody's waiting on you.

Fine. So this is pre-LoA training, but post-Merlyn training Ollie, right? I think he beats Killmonger in a good fight. Killmonger is probably better than Oliver with bladed weapons since IIRC it still took Oliver and Thea to hold their own in a spar with Merlyn, but Oliver is still better in just about everything else (though obviously there's not much to go on with Erik).

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I feel people are underestimating Erik. He was basically stated to be an elite super assassin capable of destabilizing governments. He's also a genius and has fought all over the world. I think he can take this.

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@danieldaripper: So this is Oliver after his training with Malcolm but prior to his training with Ra's?

Oliver should take it in a good fight then.

Yes, someone finally gets it.

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Oliver should win

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Ollie >>>>

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#34  Edited By Komboing

Okay. I almost didn't see the "pre loa training" and was about to comment spite. Oliver should still win handily, current Oliver Godstomps him.

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Oliver handily

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Erik wins. He bested T'Challa, who unlike Oliver has extensive training and experience with the sword.

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@komboing said:

Okay. I almost didn't see the "pre loa training" and was about to comment spite. Oliver should still win handily, current Oliver Godstomps him.

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Killmonger stomps

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Isnt fair for ollie

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#40  Edited By godzilla44

Ollie still wins just a much closer fight with out LOA training

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Green Arrow wins.

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Killmonger

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Oliver

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#44  Edited By The_Justiciar

Taking back what I said earlier. Oliver wins.

Erik lacks significant feats, though this should be a good fight just based on how good he is supposed to be in-universe.

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Al Sah Him

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Okay. I almost didn't see the "pre loa training" and was about to comment spite. Oliver should still win handily, current Oliver Godstomps him.

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#47  Edited By anthp2000  Moderator

Oliver is not replicating Erik's showing against the Dora Milaje, at all. And his feats against superhumans are trash so he doesn't really have anything going for him.

edit: Lol this is Pre-LoA training? Oliver gets murdered.

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Oliver without trying.

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Oliver, but only because I’m more biased towards Arrowverse.

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#50 krisbishop  Moderator

I'm biased towards MCU and I'd still say Oliver. But it'd be a good fight.

His showing against the Dora Milaje was impressive but the fact he was on panther steroids needs to be taken into account.