CW Green Arrow vs AoS Kasius

Vs.

• Random encounter. No knowledge.
• Kasius is on Odium.
• Morals off.
• Win by KO/Incapacitation/Death.

Rounds:

1. Unarmed combat.
2. Oliver gets his bow as a melee weapon.
3. Oliver gets his bow with regular arrows.

Maybe Oliver can occupy him long enough for him to die from the odium.

1. Beats him by submission hold
2. Same thing
3. Puts a few arrows in him

Kasius no-sold a shotgun shell to the chest. Try harder.

@bleidd:

He no sold it because the odium helps ignore pain. You made him morals off here so lethal shots are an option for him, or he could cut his tendons like he did to Sampson. This isn't a lethal shot.

Your turn, I guess

@king_hellstorm: Looks close enough to me. And keep in mind it was a shotgun shell not a bullet. And I'm not gonna debate on my own thread. Btw, Oliver is not beating him with a submission hold either unless you could show me Oliver beating someone much stronger than him with a submission hold.

@bleidd:

Btw, Oliver is not beating him with a submission hold either unless you could show me Oliver beating someone much stronger than him with a submission hold.

He put Sampson in a submission hold in Season 5, in Season 7 he beat him by dislocating his arms so he couldn't continue to fight. Sampson had confirmed superhuman strength and pinned Oliver to a wall using only one arm casually in their first encounter.

Looks close enough to me. And keep in mind it was a shotgun shell not a bullet.

Even if you disagree with the idea of lethal shots wearing him down. Severing his tendons and submission holds is still an option for him and he's demonstrated he can do both facing a similar opponent.

OgCaptain, is that you?

@king_hellstorm: Don't recall any superhuman physical feats from Sampson. He just didn't feel pain. You don't have to be a superhuman to overpower Oliver.

@bleidd:

He was specifically stated as being superhuman tho...

physiology changed. Enhanced strength and I don't think he can feel pain.

Arrow 5x3

You asked if Oliver ever put someone stronger than him in a submission hold - Regardless of whether or not you think he's superhuman (which I don't know how you can deny) he was stronger than him.

I asked you if Oliver ever beat someone much stronger than himself by a submission hold. Sampson may be stronger than Oliver but he isn't superhuman by live action standards. Enhanced strength could be due to increased adrenaline as well, not saying that's the case here, but it doesn't make one superhuman.

Ollie all. And as Anthp said, Odium is basically a time bomb. Not that Oliver needs it. He would punch Kasius down before Odium could kill him.

And no, Odium isn't doing shit against an arrow through the brain.

Oliver can stall for long enough for the odium to induce a heart attack. In the last round, he just lights Kasius up with a few explosives.

Normal arrows only.

@bleidd: My bad. Still, he can just put a couple into his chest, and when that doesn't work, one in the skull.