CW: Green Arrow and Constantine vs Flash and Supergirl

If Oliver and John have prep and work together, can they defeat the superpowered duo?

How much prep time do you think they would need? Would they need the element of surprise too?

Supergirl & Flash curbstomp.

Mismatch.

This, I don't see prep changing anything since they haven't been told about kara's weakness to green k(or what it is) and even if they did superman took it all off their earth anyway.

I can see Constantine pulling something out of his hat.

@the_hajduk: what prep feats does constantine have?

@watcher5000: I dunno lol

Flash is extremely easy to beat with prep.

Supergirl is the issue and the one they probably can't put down. Kara probably solos (unless somehow they have knowledge and means to acquire Kryptonite).

No amount of prep can save them. Constantine is geared towards fighting mystical beings and Oliver's never dealt with people this powerful (and no season one flash is not comparable to current flash).

But he beat season 1 Flash with next to no prep at all.

He also beat Atom easily with no prep.

When he has longer-term prep he goes against someone like Damien Darhk along with all of HIVE and wins.

@the_hajduk: He only beat Darhk because of the magic tattoo Constantine gave him. Flash has gotten way faster since season one, and Ray had a easily exposed weakness. Also none of those people are as powerful as super girl.

What did the tattoo do again? I remember Oliver seeking out a magician called Fortuna and having her teach him how to repel magic. She said he would never pick it up even in a million years, but he did almost immediately because he's a damn badass.

@the_hajduk: It gave him immunity to Darhks powers but he had to think of hope when he did it. IIRC he thought of felicity.

I just checked the scene for clarification. The tattoo was vital because it served as Oliver's idol, but if he never got the tattoo, he could have just gotten a different idol. Remember that in the original plan for season 4, Constantine was not part of the story. CW got the rights to introduce him after they had already started filming, so they just squeezed him into the season. This means that Constantine HELPED Oliver but he was not NECESSARY, Oliver would have gotten his own idol if Constantine did not provide one. It's not like finding an idol was the hard part, learning how to do it was. It's a lot more complicated than just thinking about hope, Fortuna explains that the technique can not even be described using words, the only way for Oliver to learn it was... if he can just learn it. And Fortuna ultimately concluded that the answer was no, Oliver would not be able to learn it, and she left... but then he picked it up anyway, all on his own, only a few hours later. THAT is impressive.

@the_hajduk: Where would he have gotten another totem?

I dunno where does he get anything? Where did Darhk get his totem from? Oliver at that point had contacts with ARGUS, at STAR Labs, Vixen, the League of Assassins as well as Talia's faction, the Bratva who are a lot more powerful in Arrow than in real life, the Legends of Tomorrow, and his girlfriend had an endless supply of money and resources. I don't imagine getting a totem is the hard part, especially since we were never told what exactly a totem is and what constitutes as a totem. They could be commonplace for all we know and merely require empowerment through some means. But even if they are rare, Oliver has the contacts to find one, the resourcefulness and strength to go on some Indiana Jones adventure to retrieve it, and then at that point the story picks back up with Fortuna. A totem is just a tool, it isn't the hard part. Learning how to be a damn magician is the hard part.

They have no hope of beating Kara without Kryptonite. Even then, its doubtful she'd go down without taking them with her.

Oliver can seduce her and make her give up. Psychological tactics.

That's one way to win.

But Kara might counterattack and seduce Oliver back! What happens then??? #SuperArrowRising

Oliver has a weakness against blondes with glasses. Who knows.

Street levelers are always underestimated but you know if this happened in the show, Oliver and John would win.

Are you kidding or do you not know I am Nick?

Omg, I thought you were kidding. You really didn't know? This entire time? Looks my undercover skills are better than I thought.

That's why I'm so confused lol. You recognized the content and tone of the posts, so much that you didn't even look at the username.

@the_hajduk: Only because it happened doesn't mean it should happen.

^^^ What are these guys are on about? With prep, Constantine solos with ease.

Team two wins.

@the_hajduk: He beat barry when his max speed was around 200 mph. multiply that speed by 150 and now you get something around his current speed.

@tj849:

Comic version of Constantine definately would, but CW version... I just can't see him pulling that off.

CW Arrow stomps via omnipotence, because he can do no wrong and is a prep-time god with absolutely no limits.

The thing is that the tactics Oliver used the first time were created to bypass speed entirely. Barry can be supersonic or mach one million, Oliver never did anything that challenged his speed directly. All of his tactics bypassed speed entirely.

@the_hajduk: those tactics wont touch him now.

More speed doesn't give Barry eyes in the back of his head.

@the_hajduk: but he can definitely hear it.

If u give preperation at least 2 minutes then Archer with magician stomps, otherwise Alien and metahuman obliterates

I haven't kept up with legends but unless johns done something impressive with prep him and Oliver get wrecked.

I would recommend at least 3 days of prep with full knowledge. Constantine would practically solo. He would make a deal with First Of The Fallen and they automatically kill Barry, or give John and Oliver complete immortality and immunity.

Or give John a spell he could cast on Barry to mind control him and make him phase Kara’s heart out and afterwards tell him to kill himself.

1 green arrow trap flash and super girl in a room coverd by red light.

room is anty gravity

2green arrow use a flash and sonic arrow (super girl is week against sonic arrow)by green arrow enough

time to knock out flash and manage to use the kriptonit to knock out supergirl

time is a dangerous weapon for likes of GA and batman

3 GA can mix anti speedster gun and kriptonit and use

them to defeat both of them

and with constantin around Their victory is certain😎