CW Gods vs MCU Gods

Unsure how the MCU team would deal with Mxy and Music Meister. I think the two of them are too much honestly.

I don't know Manny or the spear's capabilities, but Thanos should solo the rest by himself. He is universal.

The most powerful character here is Sara with the Spear.

@the_hajduk: What did she do?

Actually someone who is made of dark magic.

With spear she can rewrite reality!

To what extent?

Reverse Flash used the spear to completely change the universe to serve him. Sara later got the spear and changed things back exactly the way they were.

@the_hajduk: Hmm, if it's the entire universe, then I guess the spear holds more power than the gauntlet

@plotweapon16255 said:

@lord_titan_ said:

@plotweapon16255 said:

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@plotweapon16255 said:

@lord_titan_ said:

The spear of destiny has no feats to suggest it can affect extradimensional entities

MCU team has has no feats to suggest it can affect extradimensional entities either.

True, but your statement does not hold weight, because no one on the cw side has shown feats that suggest they can comfortably defeat the mcu side,

Lol,NO Reign, Amazo, Supergirl can solo majority of the team just by blitzing.

Dormammu will be the only survivor who is basically featless.

whereas the mcu side does

Show me feats to suggest they can affect extradimensional entities!

They aren't beating dormammu

What durability he has to say he can tank meteorite busting heat vision!?

and blitzing thanos with a complete gauntlet wouldn't work,

Reign, Amazo, Supergirl are gonna blitz there is nothing Thanos can do about it!

even if it did they still have no way to beat dormammu, who actually does has feats

Of nothing impressive to hurt a kryptonian!

Unless they realise what the gauntlet does right from the start they lose instantly, thanos can control the gauntlet consciously, thats faster than they can react and it would be foolish to try and debate otherwise when science agrees with me

And as usually im used to your trolling, you still have brought nothing to the table as to how amazo and reign are going to take down dormammu especially if he just decides to start feeding off their dimension or worse than that, he just allows thanos to use the infinity gauntlet to amp him

Pretty sure all thanos has to do is snap his fingers and that spear would not longer exist

Mcu would win this pretty easily.

MCU Team lol at universal spear it's hilarious

I'm going with the CW gods, they have actual reality warpers.

Like stormbreaker no longer exists,right!?

Spear has completely rewritten entire universe simultaneously changing everything even versions of all characters, creating stable universe.

well the gauntlet broke when he used it on half the universe

and the Spear changed the entire universe multiple times

Lol, and I thought Beast > Thor was stupid. Now Reign and Amazo > Dormammu? Then again, DianaAllMighty made both the former, and this thread as well

OT: Dormammu eats them unless they can dimension-bust. Dark Dimension is not within the local MCU, so apply all Cytorrak and Shuma arguments here.

@mrnoital: the gauntlet still works, it just can't do universal feats on the scale of the snap without damage to itself an it's user. Like, he probably can't unsnap everyone or snap again without losing use of his arm. But the stones work fine individually. The issue has always been harnessing their power.

UR so hilarious. Wooow u literally either troll or u don't studied Arrowverse well. Spear of Destine by feats itself is universal warping device. Loool. angel Manny itself is time and mind manipulator. Reign is planet shaker so she is greater opponent for Ego. Music Meister is spiritual being who knows the future completely. U want mention celestials so John Constantine villains are match to them

@rebake: but the other thing about Thanos is he holds back, he didn't kill anyone he hit with the power stone or anything

IIRC manny isnt allowed to interfere so useless

Amazo is a jobber who looses to everyone

Both Reign and SG can be taken out by Strange with a single spell. For those who say they blitz wheres a single feat of them blitzing out of the gate??

Sarrah only has one feat with spear and while she rewrote reality she had a whole season to prepare for what she wanted to do (i.e to know what she wanted to do) how does she even know what to warp reality too here ?? Its not like the spear gives cosmic knowledge of it did Thawne would have known to protect his realitt from the Legends.

Combination of Dorms,Ego and Thanos with full gauntlet win. MM and Mxy are yet to show power on the same scope

Mxy LITERALLY has no feats other than goddamn parlor tricks. HE WAS OUTSMARTED BY SUPERGIRL. Someone with an IQ of like, 16. Both dormy and thanos have shot beams, thrown large masses, and literally any sorcerer from dr strange would shit themselves in front of dormy. The ancient one drew power from him without him even giving a shit. Dorm definitely solos. And we know for a fact, he’s his own dimension. That puts him above any mcu, dceu, cw or fox character.

As for the spear of destiny, that is limited to universe 1. And Dormammu+The Dark Dimension is not of that universe, so it wouldn’t even work. Nice try.

Hah, no, I don't studied the Arrowverse well. Shuma would one-shot Constantine's villains in his own realm, and so could Cyttorrak. You don't studied the 616 mystics do ya.

You are throwing arguments all over the place, but you are trying to shift the debate to Ego and not Dormammu. In the Dark Dimension, there is no future, no past, no time. Unless you use something like Time Stone and make time. And that didn't even hurt Dormammu, it just locked him in the dimension. Can Manny make time? Feats for Manny making time? I'll tell ya what, alt, I'll give you one for you. Manny will make some time for getting eaten by Dormammu.

Why are you debating in your own thread? Did you get offended when I mentioned "Beast > Thor?" We all know that you are DianaAllMighty, might as well admit it.

@rajjar:

You don't studied the 616 mystics do ya

This is Movie versions , why are you even mentioning comics?

@beatboks1:

IIRC manny isnt allowed to interfere so useless

and obviously, in this situation, he in a battle and in so would interfere. This is OP battle and not CW's battle, this would not apply. That like saying you can't use the watcher in the fight because in 616 he's not supposed to interfere, come on.

How is Dormammu solo'ing? the dude barely has any feats and Thanos can't harm 5th dimensional beings with IG unless he has feats of doing so. If we take statements for feats into account, Mxy is virtually omnipotent aside from his own rules.

That goes into a whole mess of Marvel's multiverse theory, which is a headache that this thread isn't worth.

The reason I am mentioning it is because the thread's creator is baiting me with "John Constantine villains match 616 Celestials."

Virtually omnipotent. Except for the 4 instances (weaknesses) he won't be, and that counts in the battle till DianaAllMighty says it doesn't. And that is an unfair burden of proof for Thanos that NLF's the 5th dimension, which has been cut off from Mxy before.

@rampagethefirst: It was stated by Wong that Dormammu is a universal threat. And was also stated to be a being of infinite power.

@matthew660: Mxy was stated to be omnipotent aside from the rules he imposes on himself and CW has a Multiverse, being omnipotent in a Multiverse>>>>having infinite power in a Universe.

Name those 4 instances where he showed a weakness and I will debunk every single one of them, if it has anything to do with that 5th dimensional power dampener then don't even try.

Again, it doesn't count in a battle if its something like a 5th dimensional object that specifically dampens their power.

Thanos NLF's the 5th dimension? what? Thanos never affected the 5th dimension and Marvel doesn't have the 5th dimension, it has a quantum dimension and a living dimension and that is about it, unless you can show me scans of IG affecting higher dimensions, that point is moot.

@rampagethefirst: MCU has a multiverse too, and was “omnipotent” the exact word used for mxy?

@matthew660: MCU doesn't have a Multiverse lol. It has a singular Universe with a couple dimensions which we've seen Strange go through when he meets The Ancient One, unless it has been mentioned in a movie or something?

Something along those lines.

@plotweapon16255Can probably quote me on that?

@rampagethefirst: Wong said “Word of the ancient one’s death will spread throughout the multiverse”

@matthew660: Really? how many Universes does it have? CW's Multiverse has 52.

what actual feats does CW mxy have?

@rampagethefirst: Aren’t there more than 52? Earth X is one that also exists and Earth 90 is also a thing....

@matthew660: They're part of the 52 Universes...or it could be infinite, although they've stated that it has 52 Universes, things could have changed, not sure.

MCU is a single universe. The mystics are aware of the universes outside their Earth 199999 standpoint, otherwise known as the MCU, and they handle threats from the outside coming in.

@rajjar:

Fine. Make that 3,

You still haven't listed those 3 weaknesses.

but it still means he has a power source with a link,

Yup, it's called being from the 5th dimension lol.

that if cut,

Not possible without an equipment from the 5th dimension itself.

will result in him getting depowered.

Yeah, well you need the power dampener from the 5th dimension itself..nobody in the MCU team can access the fifth dimension or make it from 3rd dimension equipments.

Mxy has a limit against TP'ing people,

He TP'ed an entire planet, when did he show a limit?

can't make them love him or drink orange juice,

Why is that relevant here though? he's not going to make MCU team fall in love with him or make them drink orange juice, and that's a self-imposed rule, he wants love from people without forcing them and the orange juice one is just for comedic reasons, regardless, it's self-imposed and not a limit lol.

his prescience/awareness is human-level,

No? he has explicitly stated on multiple occasions that he cant be harmed if he doesn't want it, and it's plausible since he's clearly from a dimension higher than the ones MCU team reside in.

and there is the classic banishment weakness.

That's not a weakness, that is a self-imposed rule, same goes for comic Mxy. People who don't know much about him think it's a weakness when it isn't a weakness but a rule he imposes on himself to make it fair.

Sorry about that.

About what?

"That" was referring to the burden of proof.

I don't get it man, what burden of proof?

As long as Thanos doesn't have to have feats with the 5th dimension,

He does, the whole episode revolved around Mxy being portrayed as a God-like being with planetary reality warping and TP and not to mention, nobody could harm him until Mon-El used the 5th dimensional power dampener which can only be made from 5th dimensional equipments.

then it is relatively fair as a burden.

What? the burden of proof lies on you to prove that Thanos can even harm Mxy without a power dampener and no, he can't be outsmarted since he wont be imposing any rules on himself in a regular battle.

However, that is only relevant if dimension manipulation is argued for the IG.

IG can't affect higher dimensions and Dormammu is getting blinked out of existence since he hasn't shown any resistance to planetary reality warping.

Mxy makes everyone his toys with a snap. Nobody on the MCU Team has shown resistance to planetary reality warping and they cannot harm Mxy since they have no means of doing so.

Yup, thought so.

Dormammu's only feats where killing strange and summoning his new minions to the dark dimension and transforming them; I should add: minions who had already willingly enslaved themsleves to him, making themselves vulnerable to his control.

I agree he is powerfull, but does lack solid feats. I'd argue if he could warp reality in the traditional sense, he could have found a way to stop strange.

Thanos is MCUs best bet, featwise, but contending with Mxyzptlk and Music Meister's will be tough. Sara is a glass cannon here, usefull unless she gets hit (if she were smart, she would buff herself)

@drgnx: He couldn’t stop strange, because time was a new concept to him. And he was confused as to how strange was manipulating time. The dark dimension exists outside of time.

Dormy solos.

@matthew660: Yup, and Thanos did manage to wipe out half the universe without changing the existing timeline (ex: he didn't make it like they were never born) ...

A lot of times, reality warping involves historical changes, it's as if the warping/change takes place in the past to alter the present. If any of the others, with the ability, used this type of warping, it puts Dormammu at a disadvantage, even if it just confuses him. Ex: Sara, could certainly do it, assuming she doesn't squashed (glass canon). The main argument would be that Strange didn't need to be alive for his spell to work.

@rajjar: ah ok, thank you for the clarification.

The MCU get blitzed again. Easy win.