CW Citizen Steel vs Endgame Prof. Hulk

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Poll CW Citizen Steel vs Endgame Prof. Hulk (37 votes)

Steel beats the living daylights out of the Hulk 32%
Hulk dabs/tacostomps the Tin man 68%
Stalemate 0%

Stright up fight

H2h only

Win by K.O or death

EG battlefield

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Nate barely uses his powers anymore and when he does he's weak. Even hulk should beat him

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@angeljax said:

Nate barely uses his powers anymore and when he does he's weak. Even hulk should beat him

this. I hope Post Crisis Steel will regain his balls back

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Hulk wins. Current Nate is featless. because he is Post Crisis. Only 7 paragons, Jennifer Pierce and Spectre are the same as from Pre.

I only hope Nate will regain his balls in Post Crisis era

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Hulk should be able to stop a train easily. He is bigger and stronger than Steel. He wins easily and solos the Legends.

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Hulk wins. Current Nate is featless. because he is Post Crisis. Only 7 paragons, Jennifer Pierce and Spectre are the same as from Pre.

I only hope Nate will regain his balls in Post Crisis era

Very interesting. Not a lot of people have really been acknowledging the pre crisis Arrowverse and the post crisis Arrowverse as separate entities like we do for the comics. Really all the characters should start over in feats and none of their old feats are canon anymore, which is how we do it for the comics.

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Professor hulk can solo CW universe.

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EG hulk can beat spectre.

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@the_hajduk: This is how i interprete. Because i remember when even J'onn J'onnz was inputting memories to Ray Palmer he gave him memories of Conroy Batman, Routh Superman and even image of restart og multiverse and MMH with rest of paragons survived physically, mentally with whole soul. But got maybe merged or replaced with Earth-Prime doppelgangers. Even Mobius tried to kill paragons just to restart his agenda once again. So those on 99,99% must be same as Pre recreation. As we saw Oliver needed their literal presentations to hold the line and subconciously "ignite the sparkle" to recreate the multiverse. [a bit too complicated but hope in future seasons of Legends or in S5 Lucifer they will explain more Spectre's powers].

Jennifer Pierce literally survived the Crisis and landed in Earth-Prime universe. But curious what happened to Earth-Prime version of Jennifer:

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@the_hajduk: U see only 7 paragons and Jennifer are canon/not retconned. So all feats Kara, J'onn, Barry ( including alternate timelines even pre flashpoint where 38th wasn't affected also post Elseworlds ), Sara ( including her 2+ years in Nanda Parbat ), Kate Kane are canon with their abilities and feats.

Mia Smoak seems to regaining her abilities and skills since Laurel inputed her mind haxing device replicating powers of J'onn J'onzz. But no idea does she has same lvl of stats, condition etc. Because this is not now as same fighter who was trained by Nyssa Al' Ghul and trained as Blackstar in Star City 2040

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Hulk still wrecks...

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Nate not going Steel (same as Ray not going ATOM or Firestorm not showing up a lot) is more budget than anything IMO. Gonna be interesting when Sara Lance gets her powers.

Hulk does stomp tho.

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Steel has a chance of winning based on the degree of which you considered his ability to One-Shot a Dominator.

The problem here is how Dominators differ in power. As we have seen some getting oneshot by Heatwaves gun, or a hit from Vixen, while others can take several hits from Steel and Supergirl, while also managed to gain the advantage against them.

The Dominator that Steel KO'ed had already been blasted by Heatwave, however, the Dominator remained standing until Steel jumped in.

Heatwave had mentioned prior for them to capture a weak one, leaving the Legends to just go after the last Dominator, though from how the Dominator withstood the blast, its clear that this Dominator is not as weak as some of the other. Though we have no clue just how powerful this Dominator truly is.

If you consider the Dominator that Steel defeated to be as powerful as the power that CW Supergirl had trouble to put down, than this would give Steel more than enough striking power to defeat MCU Hulk.

If the Dominator he defeated is NOT to a similar degree as the one Supergirl had fought, than Steel will have no shows to prove he can manage Hulk.

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Steel, however still can manage to hold is own considering how much faster he is than Hulk. As seen in Thor Ragnarok that Thor was easily able to outspeed Hulk, though alot of this was thanks to Thor being a skilled fighter, whom of which Steel doesn't compare to, and without the Dominator feat in Steels favor, Steel would lack the capacity to defeat Hulk even with a speed edge.

Though if the punch is considered than Steels speed edge would further push the point of his winning. Oddly enough Steel being a bullet timer is one of the most consistent feats in all of the CW... He has also been able to deal with lasers shots, but its tough to say if they were even on par with a bullet... and its a leap to assume them to be relative to actual laser speeds.

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There's some other bullet speed showings, but I can't find a gif of them, but i'm sure these should be enough.

Steel also can be seen moving in the final fight against the Dominators when Flash is moving while time is slowed down, along side other bits that show bullets also moving slowly. By no means am i saying Steel can manage S3 Flash speeds, but his exclusive reaction speeds in these scenes being along with how bullets are represented backs him being a bullet-timer.

Hulk has shown to be able to perform a Thunder Clap, but it isn't a method he commonly uses, and doesn't remove or counter Steel's commonly displayed speed edge.

Though as I said already, these don't matter unless he manages to have a striking power relative to Supergirl, since if his striking force isn't high enough, all of this doesn't matter against Hulk.

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Supergirl also does have some great striking feats, I don't understand why everyone only uses lifting feats for her. SG is able to physically harm and KO other kryptonians who are relative to herself. At a high-end we have seen Supergirl take a point blank explosion when Overgirl blew up in the Earth X finale. This explosion was stated by Curtis (Mr. Terrific) that Overgirl would explode with enough force to wipe out the entire middle east.

Though this feat is quite the high-end, and some could argue that Overgirl exploding due to overloading with sun radiation, and the claim of it being a radiation nbuild up, might provide SG with a resistance to the feat.

Supergirl still has many other durability feats though, and since she is able to strike down someone with durability similar to her own, Steel having a potential striking force similar if not great than SG's would allow him the power to overcome MCU Hulk.

If Steel has high-end considered striking its a 9.5/10 in his favor, with Hulk potentially able to still get a win due to Professor Hulk maybe managing a win since he has a reach advantage and still has the power to harm Steel. Though Steel is wearing a dwarfstar alloy suit, so that might help protect him against Hulk...

If Steel doesn't have the high-end considered striking power, than Hulk takes it 10/10 with Steel not having an ways to get an honest KO.

- Interesting enough, Hulk can't manage to KO steel. Due to how his metal skin works in relation to skin and the required force to actually cause the means to KO him, the numbers on that are out of MCU Hulk's weight-class. But Hulk could still manage the brutalize Steel with enough effort towards other parts of his body. And at the very least can always manage to cripple Steel, allowing for a win through resolving the targets threat level entirely.

- Also... while MCU Hulk has show to be able to he stronger the more mad he gets, and to have a healing factor, they are not too the same insane degree of the comics, nor do we get much of an actual strength buff from his anger to prove to be able to massively grow in power. Yes i am very aware he managed to overcome Abomination, but that power amp was nothing to a degree that proves he boosted his power fore-say tenfold. While it is clear that Hulk does get stronger when he is upset, it is not to a massive degree in the MCU like many understand from his other iterations. Also, with it being Smart Hulk, its probably gonna be unlikely for him to manage a notable power-up due to how level headed Banners control is.

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#15  Edited By Ccbm2208

@crimson_comet: I Don't watch CW shows ( and will never do ) but I must admit very quality post with nice and detailed arguments

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@crimson_comet: Also i remember Supergirl said to Dreamer like she was going serious against Dominator in S3. S3 Kara by feats is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hulk. And Dreamer has beaten this Dominator faster

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Citizen Steel gets clapped. A mortar round knocked him out of his steel state. A 200 ton punch kills him outright.

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#19  Edited By Rosalinagalaxy3

@worldsgreatest said:

Citizen Steel gets clapped. A mortar round knocked him out of his steel state. A 200 ton punch kills him outright.

Low ends inputting to high up other side ? Professor Hulk couldn't even destroy a car and supposedly massive gamma ray power which logically should amp him just overfried him making him passing out + needed krioteraphy to neutralise pain. And same snap Tony Stark was fried to lesser extent and easier withstood/ignored the pain. It didn't even desintegrate Stark but just fried too.

Either we use both at their best or both at their most pathethic state. But nice try

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@rosalinagalaxy3: Citizen Steel getting knocked out of his metal state isn’t an outlier. There’s no indication that Professor Hulk is weaker than his previous self.

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@rosalinagalaxy3: Citizen Steel getting knocked out of his metal state isn’t an outlier. There’s no indication that Professor Hulk is weaker than his previous self.

Ok and human level Stark resisted easier the sna than Hulk.

Either we use both at their best or at their most pathethic state. Professor Hulk in Endgame has feats like holding for seconds crumbling facility with healthy arm, i have heard in deleted scene on Disney+ could stop 2014 Cull, also ( forgetting this outlier of stark ) ressited the snap where according to calculations it is about 5876 megatons of TNT force ( or could be higher ).

So as Steel has this train feat and not normal train but this was fuull of dwarf star alloy where according to Ray is densest material in universe and in Arrow S8 dwarf star alloy was already a material able to create quantum arrows or even give Lyla some Harbringer powers. Also Nate survived penetration through temporal zone and this needs power of time drive/disruptor, Damien Darhk couldn't really smash/choke him and Damien has some good feats. So both have good feats

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#23  Edited By Crimson_COMET

@worldsgreatest: almost everytime Steel has his metal dropped its in a situation that is clearly done for the plot.

That’s just budget limitations, and holds little in this fight.

Also, everytime Steel does go ‘down’ it is still within his lower end feats, something Hulk also has.

Professor Hulk should be relative to his stronger form, as he mentions that his smart Hulk state is the best of both. The savage and feral behaviour is a downgrade since it does allow for better rage and lethality, but they should be comparable.

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@rosalinagalaxy3: Absolutely helps to scale Steel higher, especially since the Dominator he went up against proved to not be a fodder dominator.

We also see in the most recent Season of Legends that Steel was able to be the conductor for the Wave Rider

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Not sure how much power this is, but its the energy of a hypersonic time ship.

Does help to display a massive pain tolerance.

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Steel wins with mid diff

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Steel claps now

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This by no means is a decider. Just felt like dropping it in.