THUNDER
DEATHSTROKE
RULES
- Morals Off
- Fight to K.O. or Death
- Fighters Start 20 Feet Apart
- Deathstroke has Mikaru Serum
CW CaV: Thunder (GearSecond659) vs Deathstroke (Blackpantherisb)
THUNDER - THE METAHUMAN BRUISER
Anissa Pierce is the daughter of Jefferson Pierce, the superhero known as Black Lightning, and received metahuman powers by inheriting his altered genetics. When she awakened to her powers, she felt a strong desire to help the people of her community, and became the superhero Thunder to do just that. She assists her father in fighting the gangs and organizations that may threaten the city of Freeland.
STRENGTH
SHOCKWAVE
DURABILITY
CONCLUSION
Thus, Thunder wins for the following reasons
- Thunder is morals off and is more likely to abuse the distance and use her shockwaves to keep Deathstroke at bay, or even to one shot Deathstroke
- On the off chance that Deathstroke engages in h2h, Thunder has the physicals to tank anything Deathstroke can throw at her and return the favor to a greater extent
CW Deathstroke
Bio
Slade Wilson was an ASIS agent (Australia's version of the FBI) and he and his partner Billy Wintergreen were the best in the agency. He and Wintergreen then crashed on the island Lian Yu, where he was stranded for many years. On the island, he met Oliver Queen, a billionaire playboy who had been shipwrecked there. They tried to escape the island together, but their plan failed. It was because of this that Slade met Shado, another prisoner on the island, together they trained Oliver, and they fell in love. When Slade is injured and they are separated from Oliver Shado takes care of him. She then saves Oliver and Sara Lance from Anthony Ivo, who had vast amounts of a powerful super soldier serum known as mirakuru. To save Slade, who is slowing dying, they inject him with the serum, and right before doing so he professes his love for Shado. Then later when attacking Ivo's ship Oliver opts to save Sara instead of Shado. When Slade discovers this he vows revenge, and attempts to kill Oliver, however, Oliver ultimately gets the better of him and stabs him through the eye. Believing Slade to be dead Ollie leaves him, but Deathstroke survived and swore that he would someday find and kill Oliver.
Damage Output
Now let's start out with Deathstroke's guns since they are a fairly standard way for Slade to open up the fight, his standard guns as Deathstroke are two modified Uzis, that are far more powerful than most regular guns:
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One: A couple of shots from DS's uzi is enough to make a man who was already in the air totally change course and move several feet into a self. Two: A short burst of shots lifts a man off his feet, 6-8 feet backward and a couple feet up, and straight into a wall. This is way-way-way more powerful than even high-end snipers/shotguns/assault rifles considering the fact that no bullet can even lift a person off of their feet, let alone many feet away. So let's see how Thunder handles gunfire
Thunder has no sold gunfire on several occasions. A prime exemplification of this was when she no sold machine gun fire, a feat that speaks for itself.
No selling machine gun fire is highly impressive, though none of those shots were even half as powerful as the blasts that came out of Deathstroke's uzis, so whilst I doubt that she will get pierced by his shots unless she has better feats of no selling gunfire, she will get hurt and staggered by them.
Moving on to Deathstroke's main weapon: his sword. Now obviously if Thunder can no sell bullets she must have a very high level of piercing durability but actually withstanding bullets does not mean that you can tank sword/knife attacks, that's the reason why bulletproof vests can be stabbed by knives and why stab-proof vests can be pierced by bullets. The two are literally totally different types of damage this is clearly evidenced by the fact that Slade's sword cut clean through bulletproof vests like they weren't even there:
As you can see Deathstroke casually cut down his first assailant who was in a thick bulletproof vest by cutting clean through his chest, Slade then proceeds to take down two more men until he comes up against his last assailant, whom he kills by stabbing clean through the bulletproof vest and then tossing him using his strength. So the sword could probably pierce Thunder even if it was totally normal, but it actually has better feats than that:
Here we actually see Slade cutting steel arrows clean in half with his sword, even cutting an arrow clean down the tip of the arrowhead to the back of the shaft. Now obviously steel is both knife and bullet proof, so casually slicing it to pieces means that the capabilities of Slade's sword are well above the capabilities of other swords. So if Slade does manage to land an attack with his blade, he will cut clean through Thunder like she's butter. Now for Slade's raw physicals:
Now in terms of blunt force damage, Thunder no sold a hit from a metal baton. That same metal baton later broke against her body when Syonide tried to hit her with them again. So Deathstroke better have some damn good striking strength feats or else he will quite literally break his arm trying to punch her.
LOL, a baton breaking on her is the best feat you've got? When Slade only had had the Mirakuru serum for 5 minutes his physicals were massively better than baton level, in his first fight ever using it he was doing stuff like this:
In an impressive display of brute strength, Slade tosses a man several feet into a tree so hard he bounces clean off it, he then proceeds to kick a man dozens of feet and off the screen, he then snaps a thick, metal AK-47 in half like it's a graham cracker, and finally, he punches clean through the chest of the final mercenary. So if the best Thunder's got is tanking a metal baton, then I don't see why Slade can't brutalize her.
Durability
In terms of striking strength, Thunder is no slouch in that department either. Even before she really knew how to use her powers, she was capable of shaking a gargantuan pile of scrap metal with one punch.
Ehh that's pretty hard to quantify, and it is probably not actually impressive, the garbage pile wasn't particularly well constructed or balanced, so she probably just moved some pieces around to much which set of a chain reaction that destabilized the whole mound. Anyway beings objectively inferior to Slade can tank far, far worse. As you can clearly see a single dose of the Mirakuru cure was instantly KOing Mirakuru users:
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-Arrow: Season 2
Whenever a user of the Mirakuru serum was injected with it they would instantly fall to the ground unconscious, yet due to Slade's experience with the serum, which probably improved his abilities significantly, he was shown to be able to fight through it:
As you can see, while Slade is hurt by the serum, he isn't KOed, and seconds later he's ready to fight, even taking on Oliver and giving him a brutal battle. Granted, Deathstroke did lose the fight, but he still gave Arrow a hard time, and he would be significantly weakened due to the effects of the cure. All of this should tell us that an experienced Slade, who's had the serum for 6 years, should be scaled directly above all other Mirakuru users, and they have crazy good durability feats:
Cyrus Gold effortlessly no sold several bullets, steel arrows bent on his skin, and Felicity even confirmed that he is at least as durable as concrete (Start at 39 seconds). But Cyrus is actually way more durable than concrete since he withstood the weight of a centrifuge that was so heavy that when he was carrying it his feet went clean through the concrete (Start at 2:20). And other average Mirakuru soldiers have also tanked absolute onslaughts, and they should also scale directly below Slade. Roy takes no damage from multiple tons of metal stage equipment falling on him at high speeds, Ravager tanks being hit 30+ feet by a van moving at high speeds, and Caleb Green even tanks being buried by several tons of rubble falling on him at incredible speed, and the only damage he receives are burns from the fire.
I would say that being more durable than beings who tanked onslaughts like this should mean that he can easily no sell the garbage pile shaking hit from Thunder.
For something a bit more quantifiable in terms of attack potency, here is Thunder demolishing a brick wall with relative ease.
That's a much better feat, though I would still argue that the feats above show that he could tank a blow of that caliber, other, less experienced users have been shown to have better durability than concrete, and have withstood attacks that would also demolish walls, like enormous amounts of concrete rubble falling on them at high speeds, or 3+ ton vans slamming into them at dozens of miles per hour. Through I would argue that Slade could actually no sell it due to some of his stand-alone feats:
And Roy has ridiculous striking power, it should be on par with, if not above Thunder's, he can punch clean through brick and concrete like its tissue paper, and even bust clean through reinforced bomb-proof metal fairly casually. So no selling a hit form a pissed off mirakuru Roy, who has equal, if not superior striking power to Thunder, means that he can easily no-sell all of Thunder's hits. Moving on to her Thunderclaps:
Here Thunder destroys a good portion of a monument with a shockwave. This feat is noteworthy because of not only what was destroyed, but how it was destroyed. The shockwave Thunder created literally caused a statue to burst apart, which is impressive for a multitude of reasons. One is the sheer power of the shockwave, as despite Thunder being a good distance away from the monument, the shockwave was still potent enough to cause the statue to explosion. Another thing to take note of is the precision behind Thunder's shockwaves. She focused her shockwave at a specific part of the monument, that being the figure on the top of the monument, so this is also a good showing of concentrated AP as she concentrated the force of her shockwave to one one target and nothing else, resulting in a more powerful attack overall.
That statue looked like it was just made of standard construction stone, I've proven that Deathstroke is massively more durable than even enhanced bomb-proof metal, so I really don't think that a shockwave that busts a stone statue would be able to take out Slade, though it would certainly stagger him. But also those stronger shockwaves took far more buildup for her, time which Deathstroke could use to close the gap and kill her with his speed/skill, the ones that she uses in combat are far less potent:
As you can see her close quarters thunder clap only launched a woman 10+ feet through a door, whilst it is a solid feat, Slade could easily no sell this caliber of shockwave, and her larger shockwaves take far to long for her to charge up, which would allow Slade to stun her with his gunfire, throw his sword into her, get out of the blast radius, or just blitz her. In fact, he could easily just blitz/outmaneuver her right off the bat.
Speed & Skill
This is overall what will give Deathstroke the win before Thunder can get off a powerful shockwave, he could easily shoot her before she can, just outright blitz her and chop her to shreds, let's start out with his draw speed:
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One: Draws his gun and takes out two security guards before they can react, keep in mind that this is also an accuracy feat, they were 30+ feet away and behind a window, yet he still landed headshots on both of them a very high speeds. (Arrow: Season 2) Two: Slade pulls out his guns and mows down a half a dozen people without missing a shot in less than three seconds total, all before any of them could return fire. (Arrow: Season 2) So he should absolutely be able to shoot her accurately looonnng before she can get off a shockwave, and considering the fact that his bullets are far stronger than other bullets (as I've already explained) they should be able to damage/stun her, which would allow him to use his raw speed and skill to blitz/outmaneuver her, and ultimately chop her to pieces. And in terms of both reaction and combat speed, Slade is a monster:
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One & Two: Deathstroke casually reacts to Oliver's arrows, and chops them clean out of the air. Keep in mind that Ollie's arrows are far faster than regular arrows. I can provide proof if necessary. (Arrow: Season 2) Three: Even without the Mirakuru serum Slade has insane reflexes, he actually manages to bullet time. Whilst it may not be clear in the GIF if you look at the screenshot breakdown you can see it clearly, he moves his arm explicitly after the bullet has been fired to block the bullet from hitting him in the head, which is the most vulnerable part of his armor. (Arrow: Season 6)
So clearly Slade's reaction speed is massively, massively above Thunder's, but while reaction speed will help him humiliate her in CQC it won't help him close the distance gap, but fortunately, DS also has insane movement/combat speed:
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Arrow: Season 2
As you can clearly see Slade can effortlessly blitz down a group of guards before they can even react or move, and cover dozens of feet in a fraction of a second while moving at FTE speed. If he decides to use his speed like he did in this instance, he could end the fight before Thunder even processes what's going on.
Now that I've established that he can close the gap long before she can get off even a standard shockwave, let alone a more powerful shockwave the requires buildup and that she can't keep up in CQC, I'll finally display that Thunder has no hope of contending for even 5 seconds in CQC, due to the massive skill gap:
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As you can see Slade can effortlessly embarrass large groups of League of Assassins ninjas, most impressively in the final GIF, he wrecks five who are all attacking him at once. And LoA ninjas aren't just average fodder, each is highly, highly skilled. First of all LoA ninjas are high-level aim dodgers, here a ninja acrobatically dodges shots from Detective Lance at close range, very few fodders have speed/agility feats on this level. As for pure combat, a single League ninja was shown to be able to stomp Lyla, who was the head of ARGUS at the time, which is the most elite government organization in the USA. Single ninjas also beat Laurel in combat, and she's pretty skilled, in fact, she can wreck three thugs attacking her at once {1}{2}, and one ninja has also beaten Arsenal in the past (the encounter is brief). The same Arsenal who can solo three guys in a single move. Two were able to overwhelm Sara Lance as Black Canary and if Oliver hadn't shot the weapon out of one of their hands she would have lost. {1}{2} Keep in mind that even as Black Canary Sara was an expert in 16 different fighting styles and could easily fodderize several military mercenaries attacking her at once, so overwhelming her with just two ninjas is a crazy good feat. But the best skill feat I could find for a LoA ninja was taking on Sara and Oliver at the same time in combat, even beating Sara and giving early Season 2 Ollie a hard fight. {1}{2} Granted if Sara had her metal staff he wouldn't have been able to cut through it and defeat her like he did, but the fact that he was able to outmaneuver her and disarm her whilst taking on Ollie is a pretty insane skill feat.
So fodderizing large groups of them casually is a skill feat above what most Live Action fighters can accomplish, but Slade actually has even better feats than this, such as matching post season 2 Oliver even without the Mirakuru serum:
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As you can clearly see Slade is more skilled than a postseason 2 Ollie by a good margin, Oliver had a one-shot weapon with the taser, yet Slade still disarmed and defeated him, putting him in a hold. And I think we can agree that even at this point Arrow>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thunder in skill this means that Slade>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thunder in skill, she won't last 5 seconds in CQC.
Conclusion
Damage Output
- Deathstroke can stun and hurt Thunder with his guns based on what you've shown so far since they are far far more powerful than regularly powered guns.
- He can also cut her to shreds with his sword, which can pierce kevlar and cut steel.
- Based on the durability feats you've shown thus far I honestly don't see why he can just one shot her with his raw strength.
Durability
- Due to Slade having far more experience with the serum he clearly has better mastery over it/is more powerful than regular Mirakuru soldiers, so he can be scaled above them in every category, which is demonstrated by the fact that he tanked the cure whereas everyone else was oneshotted.
- His durability is so great that he should be able to casually tank/borderline no sell Thunder's strikes.
- Whilst Thunder's large shockwaves would hurt Slade, she rarely uses them in CQC, and they take far to long to charge up, and her smaller shockwaves won't do him much damage at all.
Speed & Skill
- Slade could easily shoot her long before she could even attempt a shockwave, which would stun her right off the bat, and he always opens up his fights by either shooting or speed blitzing.
- Once he's stunned her he could effortlessly blitz her with his FTE combat speed and close that gap, hell she doesn't need to even be stunned, he's just that fast.
- In CQC she doesn't stand a chance, she will get killed instantly, he is way faster and laughably more skilled.
The only real way for Thunder to win is if she uses her most powerful shockwaves in repeated succession, I sincerely doubt that she will be able to land even one, as Slade will either blitz and kill her off the bat, or stun her with his gunfire and blitz her then, and she won't be able to do anything to stop him from killing her once he's in striking distance.
REBUTTAL: THE DEFENDER OF FREELAND
THUNDER'S DURABILITY VS DEATHSTROKE'S ATTACK POTENCY
THUNDER'S ATTACK POTENCY VS DEATHSTROKE'S DURABILITY
SPEED
CONCLUSION
Overall, I don't see Deathstroke winning this fight. Given the 20 foot distance between Thunder and Deathstroke, she will likely abuse the distance and use shockwaves, which can heavily stagger if not one shot Deathstroke. Now, even if Deathstroke is able to close the distance, as unlikely as it is, his weapons won't do anything to her and Thunder has the speed and strength to overwhelm Deathstroke.
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