CW Battle: Zoom vs. Trajectory, Reverse Flash & Rival

  • 64 results
  • 1
  • 2
Avatar image for deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d
deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d

3679

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Takes place in Central City.

No crossfire.

Trajectory isn't affected by v9 side effects and can fight at full-speed.

No time-travel shenanigans.

Who wins?

Avatar image for costy21
Costy21

1032

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Zoom maybe

Avatar image for deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d
deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d

3679

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Avatar image for costy21
Costy21

1032

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@costy21: Zoom is at least Mach 11 where the others are Mach 3. He might pull a win.

Avatar image for mrmonster
mrmonster

17564

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Team wins

Avatar image for peterparkerjr
PeterParkerJr

6767

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 3

#6  Edited By PeterParkerJr

Zoom. RF is his only real problem.

Avatar image for deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d
deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d

3679

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@peterparkerjr: Trajectory is faster than Reverse Flash, but with less experience which she bridges with her willingness to kill.

If RF is a problem, then so is she.

Rival also managed to tango with Flash for awhile; he should be somewhat of a threat too.

Avatar image for deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d
deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d

3679

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Avatar image for eto
Eto

5378

Forum Posts

6395

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

I have to go with the team. Yeah zoom may be faster, but it's still 1 speedster against 3 speedsters.

This is the way I see it: Trajectory is battling zoom, meanwhile Rival stomps from behind. Then the final blow by Eobard.

Avatar image for goldchamp101
Goldchamp101

8760

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Avatar image for deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d
deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d

3679

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Avatar image for vertigo-
Vertigo-

17971

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Zoom.

He's faster then everyone here, and better at using his powers then anything anyone demonstrated here.

Although Eobard is the best character-wise

Avatar image for mrmonster
mrmonster

17564

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@thehunter: I think the three of them are just too much for Zoom to handle on his own. Reverse Flash alone would give him a very hard fight, with Trajectory and Rival, I think the team would win just by numbers.

Avatar image for vertigo-
Vertigo-

17971

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

@thehunter: I think the three of them are just too much for Zoom to handle on his own. Reverse Flash alone would give him a very hard fight, with Trajectory and Rival, I think the team would win just by numbers.

Thawne was only a bit faster then season 1 Barry by feats. Zoom at his best was at least 3-4 times faster then anything Thawne demonstrated. How does Thawne give him any sort of trouble?

Avatar image for peterparkerjr
PeterParkerJr

6767

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 3

@thehunter:

RF is faster than them both. Plus he's smarter, more experienced, more disciplined, and has better combat feats.

Rival is the low man here. Flash would've probably beaten him faster in their fight if not for his memories disappearing.

Avatar image for edoubleu_e
EDoubleU_E

99

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@blackestnight93: There's a case to be made that Current Season 3 Thawne>Season 1 Thawne. Towards the end of Season 1 when RF was still stomping Barry, the tachyon device had long since stopped charging his powers so it's quite likely that he was stomping Barry while nowhere near 100%. The current RF never lost his connection to the speed force and is able to operate at 100% speed capacity all the time evidenced by his ability to time travel at will again. So while he needs new feats in order to rank him among the other speedsters, using his season 1 feats may not be concrete evidence.

Avatar image for vertigo-
Vertigo-

17971

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

#17  Edited By Vertigo-

@blackestnight93: There's a case to be made that Current Season 3 Thawne>Season 1 Thawne. Towards the end of Season 1 when RF was still stomping Barry, the tachyon device had long since stopped charging his powers so it's quite likely that he was stomping Barry while nowhere near 100%. The current RF never lost his connection to the speed force and is able to operate at 100% speed capacity all the time evidenced by his ability to time travel at will again. So while he needs new feats in order to rank him among the other speedsters, using his season 1 feats may not be concrete evidence.

yet, as of right now, his season 1 feats are all we have to go by. I hope he gets better feats in the coming season though, I really like the way they're developing his character. And there is still his upcoming appearance in LOT s2. So he'll get new feats one way or another

Avatar image for edoubleu_e
EDoubleU_E

99

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@blackestnight93: Very true and ehhh I kinda gave up on LoT although I guess I might watch whatever episode RF is in.

Avatar image for deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d
deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d

3679

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@peterparkerjr: How is Reverse Flash the fastest?

He lost to Season 1 Finale Flash, who was like Mach 2, whereas Trajectory was demolishing Barry.

And Kid Flash was stated to be around Mach 2, Rival pretty much ended him.

Avatar image for staticdwanyemcduffie
StaticDwanyeMcduffie

7026

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@peterparkerjr: How is Reverse Flash the fastest?

He lost to Season 1 Finale Flash, who was like Mach 2, whereas Trajectory was demolishing Barry.

And Kid Flash was stated to be around Mach 2, Rival pretty much ended him.

He didn't lose to season 1 finale Flash, Eddie killed himself which killed Eobard but before that he was stomping Flash

Avatar image for deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d
deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d

3679

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@staticdwanyemcduffie: He was? o.O

Sorry, my memory's a bit rusty of Season 1, but I remember them racing where the first particle accelerator exploded, where they both reached Mach 2.

Might need to rewatch it cos I dont remember in which bit Eddie shot himself in the first place.

Avatar image for theawesomeflashsandiego32
theawesomeflashsandiego32

2152

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@thehunter: rival ended KF from a sneak attack. with the tachyon enhancement he was stated close to light speed. Trajectory was only Mach 3 sooooooo.

Avatar image for green_tea
Green_Tea

10746

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

didn't zoom have trouble creating a speed mirage unlike Eobard who did it with no problem at all? I remember the former saying even he wasn't fast enough to accomplish that.

Avatar image for staticdwanyemcduffie
StaticDwanyeMcduffie

7026

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@staticdwanyemcduffie: He was? o.O

Sorry, my memory's a bit rusty of Season 1, but I remember them racing where the first particle accelerator exploded, where they both reached Mach 2.

Might need to rewatch it cos I dont remember in which bit Eddie shot himself in the first place.

I don't remember them racing do have video? My mind is kinda hazy

Avatar image for Linha-Fone
Linha-Fone

363

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#25  Edited By Linha-Fone

didn't zoom have trouble creating a speed mirage unlike Eobard who did it with no problem at all? I remember the former saying even he wasn't fast enough to accomplish that.

Zoom said he wasn't fast enough to create a speed-mirage on Earth-1 while he was on Earth-2, not that he couldn't do a normal speed-mirage.

Avatar image for lord-parallax
Lord-Parallax

4503

Forum Posts

90

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 3

Hunter. Thawne's experience and speed gives him major trouble.

Avatar image for supremegeneration
SupremeGeneration

13240

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Zoom stomps, all their speeds put together wouldn't be enough:

RF = Mach 2 (rounded up)

Rival = Mach 2.5 (KF was Mach 2, he beat him, so logical)

Trajectory = Mach... 10? Slightly higher? Mach 14?

Mach 18.5 is around Zoom.

Avatar image for edoubleu_e
EDoubleU_E

99

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@supremegeneration: Current RF and Rival are both faster than Mach 2. Season 1(Semi Depowered) RF was still able to stomp Barry 1v1 and Season 2(Less Experienced) RF was able to outpace Season 2 Barry in a flat out race.

I know s2 RF had a head start and got caught eventually but, Barry was able to catch up before RF simply sped up and he only got caught because Barry had knowledge of the battlefield and was able to cut him off instead of directly catching him.

Rival was >= Kid Flash who had much more impressive feats than Mach 2 Barry. One in particular that stood out was KF not only reacting to Rival's lighting, but also outpacing it entirely to save Barry. Barry on the other hand got completely blitzed when Zoom threw the lighting back.

RF is at 100% for the first time in the series so while he and Rival are being@supremegeneration: Current RF and Rival are both faster than Mach 2. Season 1(Semi Depowered) RF was still able to stomp Barry 1v1 and Season 2(Less Experienced) RF was able to outpace Season 2 Barry in a flat out race.

I know s2 RF had a head start and got caught eventually but, Barry was able to catch up before RF simply sped up and he only got caught because Barry had knowledge of the battlefield and was able to cut him off instead of directly catching him.

Rival was >= Kid Flash who had much more impressive feats than Mach 2 Barry. One in particular that stood out was KF not only reacting to Rival's lighting, but also outpacing it entirely to save Barry. Barry on the other hand got completely blitzed when Zoom threw the lighting back.

RF is at 100% for the first time in the series and while he and Rival are slower than Zoom they aren't complete non factors. Their added assistance to trajectory should allow the team to have a reasonable chance of winning.

Avatar image for vertigo-
Vertigo-

17971

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

#29  Edited By Vertigo-

@supremegeneration said:

Zoom stomps, all their speeds put together wouldn't be enough:

RF = Mach 2 (rounded up)

Rival = Mach 2.5 (KF was Mach 2, he beat him, so logical)

Trajectory = Mach... 10? Slightly higher? Mach 14?

Mach 18.5 is around Zoom.

Wasn't Trajectory only slightly above mach 3 though?

Avatar image for supremegeneration
SupremeGeneration

13240

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@supremegeneration said:

Zoom stomps, all their speeds put together wouldn't be enough:

RF = Mach 2 (rounded up)

Rival = Mach 2.5 (KF was Mach 2, he beat him, so logical)

Trajectory = Mach... 10? Slightly higher? Mach 14?

Mach 18.5 is around Zoom.

Wasn't Trajectory only slightly above mach 3 though?

I can't remember if Trajectory is post-Tachyon Barry or pre-Tachyon Barry, so IDK.

@supremegeneration: Current RF and Rival are both faster than Mach 2. Season 1(Semi Depowered) RF was still able to stomp Barry 1v1 and Season 2(Less Experienced) RF was able to outpace Season 2 Barry in a flat out race.

Current RF is featless, and Rival was not barely faster than Mach 2. S1 RF was technically amped, since he was feeding off the speed-force in the chair.

I know s2 RF had a head start and got caught eventually but, Barry was able to catch up before RF simply sped up and he only got caught because Barry had knowledge of the battlefield and was able to cut him off instead of directly catching him.

That logic or battleground doesn't work, since Eobard was from the future, he'd know the battleground.

Rival was >= Kid Flash who had much more impressive feats than Mach 2 Barry. One in particular that stood out was KF not only reacting to Rival's lighting, but also outpacing it entirely to save Barry. Barry on the other hand got completely blitzed when Zoom threw the lighting back.

Cisco said that Wally was Mach 2 (making the suit), and those statements are more believable than the fanfic being written here.

RF is at 100% for the first time in the series and while he and Rival are slower than Zoom they aren't complete non factors. Their added assistance to trajectory should allow the team to have a reasonable chance of winning.

The 2nd part of your post was literally the same thing, so...

RF is not at 100% b/c the prison was cutting him off from the speed force, and Zoom's speed makes all 3 speedsters put together look slow, so no, Zoom stomps.

Avatar image for vertigo-
Vertigo-

17971

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Avatar image for supremegeneration
SupremeGeneration

13240

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@supremegeneration: Trajectory was pre-tachyon Barry

Well in that case:

RF = Mach 2 (rounded up)

Rival = Mach 2.5 (KF was Mach 2, he beat him, so logical)

Trajectory = Mach 3 (still faster than pre-Tachyon Barry, who's fastest was Mach 2 till that point).

At this point, we could MULTIPLY all these numbers and Mach 15 is even slower than before, so Zoom MEGASTOMPS.

Avatar image for vertigo-
Vertigo-

17971

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

#33  Edited By Vertigo-

@supremegeneration: I thought Barry was a bit above mach 2 when he fought Trajectory? Like, mach 2.5 ish

Avatar image for supremegeneration
SupremeGeneration

13240

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Avatar image for vertigo-
Vertigo-

17971

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

@supremegeneration: yeah. But that was in relation to this bit:

(still faster than pre-Tachyon Barry, who's fastest was Mach 2 till that point).

Just saying that at that time, Barry had surpassed mach 2

Avatar image for supremegeneration
SupremeGeneration

13240

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@supremegeneration: yeah. But that was in relation to this bit:

(still faster than pre-Tachyon Barry, who's fastest was Mach 2 till that point).

Just saying that at that time, Barry had surpassed mach 2

Ah, my bad.

Avatar image for vertigo-
Vertigo-

17971

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Avatar image for edoubleu_e
EDoubleU_E

99

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@supremegeneration: on mobile so won't be quoting:

1. I know that but I assumed most recent version since OP didn't specify. Also, once his identity was revealed and he was captured, he never received another chance to charge his speed yet was still stomping Barry in the end.

2. It doesn't change the fact that Barry couldn't catch him naturally and exploited the battlefield to cut him off.

3. Sorry must've missed that part but, it isn't fan fic. Kid Flash completely outpaced the lightning while Barry got blitzed by itwhen Zoom threw it back at him. But not gonna argue with the writers, inconsistencies isn't really new when it comes to this show.

4. The fact that RF can time travel freely is proof that he has access to 100% of his powers. Season 1 RF couldn't time travel due to losing his speed force connection and Season 2 RF needed the tachyons to amp himself in order to time travel. It's true, his powers were cut off for as long as Barry kept him prisoner, but once he was released he had full access to his powers and didn't lose his speed force connection once traveling into the past for whatever reason.

Bonus: On the Trajectory thing, Flash achieved Mach 3.3 during their fight but it's unknown if he surpassed her speed since he didn't necessarily catch her but land on her. Either way OP states the effects of V9 don't effect her so this is the version of her that had blue lightning, a version that's featless.

I guess I'll concede Zoom wins since current RF and max Trajectory are featless but I still don't believe it'd be a stomp.

Avatar image for deactivated-5daa1992b8940
deactivated-5daa1992b8940

7

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@blackestnight93 said:

@supremegeneration: Trajectory was pre-tachyon Barry

Well in that case:

RF = Mach 2 (rounded up)

Rival = Mach 2.5 (KF was Mach 2, he beat him, so logical)

Trajectory = Mach 3 (still faster than pre-Tachyon Barry, who's fastest was Mach 2 till that point).

At this point, we could MULTIPLY all these numbers and Mach 15 is even slower than before, so Zoom MEGASTOMPS.

Where on earth did you get Mach 15 from? The end of season 2, Barry and Zoom were relatively the same speed, and Barry is nowhere near Mach 15

Avatar image for connordorian
ConnorDorian

1320

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

Zoom got this

Avatar image for theawesomeflashsandiego32
theawesomeflashsandiego32

2152

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

RF solos everyone.

Avatar image for deactivated-59d29c479f1ca
deactivated-59d29c479f1ca

4066

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Reverse FLASH : Barry was able to keep up with reverse flash at the end of season 1 .so his speed should be between mach 2 -3.

Trajectory : Barry was around mach 2.5 when he faced trajectory . So her speed should be between mach 2.5 - 3.

Rival : since I am not sure about kid flash speed at flashpoint . I am going with flash speed , after season 2 flash speed was around mach 16 . flash kinda struggled with rival at episode 2. So his speed should be little above mach 16.

Zoom : as wells told he is 4 times faster than Barry ( 4 x mach 2 = mach 8 ) and after taking the speed force from Barry his speed should be close be doubled ( 2 x mach = mach 16 ) , so his speed was around mach 15 - 16 .

By calculation Rival should be able to defeat zoom.

Avatar image for mrmonster
mrmonster

17564

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Avatar image for firestarlord73194
FireStarLord73194

5877

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@nightmare52: your calculations are wrong, they never said Zoom was 4x faster than Barry pre-tachion device, they said that when Barry got the tachion device it gave him a four times boost which they said was faster than Zoom, So Zoom at that point was less than 4x faster than Barry pre-tachion. However Barry jumped the bridge in his fight with Trajectory which he had to go Mach 3.3 to do. Once he gets 4x faster with the tachion device he's Mach 13.2. Then Zoom absorbs that speed so his speed is at least Mach 26.3 (Zoom at the most would have to be mach 13.1 if Barry was faster at mach 13.2) Barry comes back from the speed force faster than Zoom at this point which means he'd have to be at least faster than Mach 26.3 by the end of season 2

Avatar image for deactivated-59d29c479f1ca
deactivated-59d29c479f1ca

4066

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@firestarlord73194:

Harrison wells told that zoom was 4 times faster and 2 times stronger than Barry so I took from that when They met in season 2 beginning.

So I took 4 x mach 2 = mach 8.

Avatar image for firestarlord73194
FireStarLord73194

5877

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@nightmare52: the problem with that is... they never state Barry is mach 2 nor is that his limit, like I said he went at least Mach 3.3 in his fight with Trajectory to jump the bridge, and he's gotten so much faster since then

Avatar image for the_kidd
The_Kidd

12695

Forum Posts

3745

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Zoom, unless Legends give Eobard better feats. He was already stated to be better than Barry on LoT

@nightmare52:

Reverse FLASH : Barry was able to keep up with reverse flash at the end of season 1 .so his speed should be between mach 2 -3.

No. Season 1 Barry was never threat to R.F nor could Barry keep up.

Trajectory : Barry was around mach 2.5 when he faced trajectory . So her speed should be between mach 2.5 - 3.

Trajectory was mach 3.3.

Avatar image for deactivated-5daa1992b8940
deactivated-5daa1992b8940

7

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@nightmare52: your calculations are wrong, they never said Zoom was 4x faster than Barry pre-tachion device, they said that when Barry got the tachion device it gave him a four times boost which they said was faster than Zoom, So Zoom at that point was less than 4x faster than Barry pre-tachion. However Barry jumped the bridge in his fight with Trajectory which he had to go Mach 3.3 to do. Once he gets 4x faster with the tachion device he's Mach 13.2. Then Zoom absorbs that speed so his speed is at least Mach 26.3 (Zoom at the most would have to be mach 13.1 if Barry was faster at mach 13.2) Barry comes back from the speed force faster than Zoom at this point which means he'd have to be at least faster than Mach 26.3 by the end of season 2

Lmao that is idiotic thinking. Just because zoom took barry's speed doesnt just mean zoom is now as fast as barry's max speed + his own max speed. Thats not it works. Unfortunately you cant really calculate how much faster he actually gets. If we go by your logic, mach 26 is about 20,000mph.. You really think Barry runs that fast in the tv show?

Avatar image for thedarkking25
Thedarkking25

1212

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

If it's current rf he wins he's fought future flash