CW Arrow vs Jason Todd (Under the Red Hood)

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@ubercoffeetime: Don't make it sound like its a bad thing. Sometimes, the bait is so retarded, you are better off dodging it.

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@rbt said:

@ubercoffeetime: Don't make it sound like its a bad thing. Sometimes, the bait is so retarded, you are better off dodging it.

Mhm.

Joe West w/ family force > Samuroid > Wally West > S1 Barry >= Mr. Queen

Also Samuroid managed to avoid Season 4 Barry who in the same episode is stated as leagues beyond Wally, so its consistent.

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Joe tears Oliver apart easier than he tears apart metal:

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WHAT IS YOUR BASIS FOR SCALING OLIVER TO JOE ANYWAYS? ASSUMING YOU WANT TO DODGE ALL THE JOE STUFF???

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@ubercoffeetime:

Also Samuroid managed to avoid Season 4 Barry who in the same episode is stated as leagues beyond Wally, so its consistent.

Are you saying Samuroid can keep up with Barry?

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#54  Edited By UberCoffeeTime  Online

@rbt:

Evidently it can to a degree

EDIT: also answer this pls

WHAT IS YOUR BASIS FOR SCALING OLIVER TO JOE ANYWAYS? ASSUMING YOU WANT TO DODGE ALL THE JOE STUFF???

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@rbt said:

@ubercoffeetime: Then how come Barry was able to statue it later?

I don't recall Barry statue'ing it. Also can you answer this:

WHAT IS YOUR BASIS FOR SCALING OLIVER TO JOE ANYWAYS?

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I might back Oliver via intent. @rbt Mind breaking down the intent like you did in the Batman thread?

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@ubercoffeetime:

I don't recall Barry statue'ing it. Also can you answer this:

Of course, you don't. It doesn't go with your argument.

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I might back Oliver via intent. @rbt Mind breaking down the intent like you did in the Batman thread?

Oliver is the main hero. Jason is a sidekick. Main hero>sidekick. Ollie wins via intent.

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@rbt said:

@ubercoffeetime:

I don't recall Barry statue'ing it. Also can you answer this:

Of course, you don't. It doesn't go with your argument.

Regardless of that, how does Oliver scale to family force Joe?

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@rbt said:

@ubercoffeetime:

I don't recall Barry statue'ing it. Also can you answer this:

Of course, you don't. It doesn't go with your argument.

Regardless of that, how does Oliver scale to family force Joe?

Mag tier dodge. KoL when his argument gets debunked- "Regardless..."

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@rbt said:
@ubercoffeetime said:
@rbt said:

@ubercoffeetime:

I don't recall Barry statue'ing it. Also can you answer this:

Of course, you don't. It doesn't go with your argument.

Regardless of that, how does Oliver scale to family force Joe?

Mag tier dodge. KoL when his argument gets debunked- "Regardless..."

I actually don't know what you're referring to and you haven't shown it either so I'm moving on to Part B of the argument.

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@rbt:

Mag tier dodge. KoL when his argument gets debunked- "Regardless..."

also does this mean you admit you dodge....because you still haven't answered on why Joe scales to Oliver....like if your reasoning he's a police captain and Oliver's something else, you could also argue Joe does stuff well out of the range of a regular police captain.

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Yeah, gotta say, after watching the Fearsome Hand of Four fight, Oliver could never take on a group with so much combat speed, agility, skill, power, and strength. Even in his prime. He could maybe take on one or two - maybe even defeat one or two on their own. But all four? With the team cohesion they have? Oliver could not take on and hold off those guys like Jason did. It's out of his league.

I say that as a huge fan of Arrow.

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#68  Edited By WhatIsWritten

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@allstarsuperman said:

@nickzambuto: The guy who stomped a superhuman robot chick, who could deflect bullets off her swords, loses to Arrow? I think not.

Literally everything you mentioned here as Jason's feat has been replicated by Joe West...

Why're u making it seem like

1) Joe's feat isnt an obvious outler

2) that ollie could rep the feat

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#69  Edited By RBT

@rbt:

Mag tier dodge. KoL when his argument gets debunked- "Regardless..."

also does this mean you admit you dodge....because you still haven't answered on why Joe scales to Oliver....like if your reasoning he's a police captain and Oliver's something else, you could also argue Joe does stuff well out of the range of a regular police captain.

As for this, James Bamford has pretty much said that Oliver was one of the best hand to hand combatant on his Earth, if not the best. I mean, if you are going to argue that Joe is intended to be more skilled than Oliver, then to each their own.