CW Arrow vs Doc Ock(Raimi)

Doc ock crushes.

Ock and this is spite

Obviously Oliver is completely screwed if he allows Ock to get up close. He's really never ever fought anybody anything like Otto before. But at the same time, Oliver has so many options for neutralizing Otto before Otto gets anywhere close enough to reach him, so unless Oliver is jobbing, it has to be him.

Oliver.

Ollie.

ock stomps

I assume Ock would be able to block arrows with his arms, if he can keep up with Spider Man fine, so unless this takes place in an environment where Ollie can use some sort of stealth, don't see how Ollie reliably wins this. He's way out of his weight class here

This is ridiculous, Oliver is not beating someone who beat Spiderman.

ABC logic. Spider-Man and Green Arrow are not the same, they're completely different with completely different skillsets.

It shows that Doctor Octopus is in a separate tier entirely. Oliver is out of his weight class.

Ock.

No way. That is ABC logic. You know the old example.

Character A, beats Character B, who beat Character C. So does that mean Character A can automatically beat Character C as well? No, because he might have beaten Character B specifically using fire powers, which Character B is weak to, and Character C is not.

Now let's apply this frame to the battle at hand.

Doc Ock beat Spider-Man, who can beat Green Arrow, so can Doc Ock beat Green Arrow? Not necessarily, Doc Ock beat Spider-Man because Spider-Man is limited in his skillset and played right into Doc Ock's strength. Having four mechanical limbs makes him a powerhouse in CQC, and Spider-Man had no choice but to engage in CQC. But Green Arrow does have a choice. He can use, A) stealth. B) archery. C) trick arrows. D) environmental traps. Doc Ock has never shown what he can do to defend against such tactics.

Sometimes, it's the more adaptable fighter who wins out over the more powerful fighter. And Green Arrow is nothing but adaptable.

fine

Yeah that's right kid.

Octavius is faster, his robot is stronger, Oliver has almost no chance.

Doc Ock

Doc Ock stomps. No amount of scaling is going to help Ollie here.

if doc ock can beat spiderman (spiderman can curbstomp green arrow) tell me what chance does green arrow have. doc ock would break his bows then his toss him around like a ragdoll get out of here kid

ABC logic. Spider-Man and Green Arrow are not the same, they're completely different with completely different skillsets.

You have it reversed. Ock is the one who needs to rely on scaling from Spider-Man. On his own, he has no feats to show how he'd defend against A) stealth. B) archery. C) trick arrows. D) environmental traps.

@nickzambuto: sorry but wroooooooooooooong

spiderman AND doc ock out class green arrow in literally everything strength speed intelligence fighting style

they arent different they are just a million times better get out of here with your logic

I've seen enough hentai to know where this is going.

Green arrow.

No way. That is ABC logic. You know the old example.

Character A, beats Character B, who beat Character C. So does that mean Character A can automatically beat Character C as well? No, because he might have beaten Character B specifically using fire powers, which Character B is weak to, and Character C is not.

Now let's apply this frame to the battle at hand.

Doc Ock beat Spider-Man, who can beat Green Arrow, so can Doc Ock beat Green Arrow? Not necessarily, Doc Ock beat Spider-Man because Spider-Man is limited in his skillset and played right into Doc Ock's strength. Having four mechanical limbs makes him a powerhouse in CQC, and Spider-Man had no choice but to engage in CQC. But Green Arrow does have a choice. He can use, A) stealth. B) archery. C) trick arrows. D) environmental traps. Doc Ock has never shown what he can do to defend against such tactics.

Sometimes, it's the more adaptable fighter who wins out over the more powerful fighter. And Green Arrow is nothing but adaptable.

@nickzambuto: no you really need to change your perspective on how your viewing this listen carefully

this isnt some pokemon battle like fire and water and grass but if it was it would be fire and ice > grass (green arrow)

but thats not what i said look at their stats. Strength oliver loses to ock speed oliver loses to ock intelligence oliver loses to ock also if spidermans webbing cant work on ock what makes you think trick arrows will. and doc ock would detect arrow in stealth and environment traps

Don't care if arrow is a adaptable fighter he loses badly get over it

Ock wins.

If Arrow spams explosive arrows then he has a chance, cause nothing in his arsenal can put Doc Ock down consider than latter's durability and strength

@rogueshadow: You and me both pal. You and me both

Ock rips him apart.

No way at all to tell unless we know location and starting distance.

The Arrow wank is ridiculous smh.

Ock wins in strength. That's it. He doesn't win in speed, he didn't keep up with Spider-Man, he had four flexible arms and Spider-Man still outmaneuvered him the majority of the time. Oliver wins in tactics, skill, versatility, adaptability. Basically all the important aspects. But Otto is definitely stronger, that's true.

Felicity somehow disables arms and solos

Intelligence??? what would arrow do if he was in the final scene of spiderman 2

Save the day.

Irrelevant. You two are debating Ock vs Ollie. We're not comparing if either one can duplicate the other's in-movie feats. There are plenty of examples when one character can beat another character but cannot duplicate the beaten character's feats. Also, Ock's intelligence is in science and more specifically, his expertise in nuclear fusion. He's book-smart which doesn't necessarily translate to tactics & strategy on the battlefield. Oliver has shown multiple times he's an expert strategist when it comes to field battles.

But to answer your question, Arrow can find a way to sink the reactor in the end of Spiderman 2 via explosive arrows or some other way. He can improvise and use his surroundings. In the end scene of Spiderman 2, the goal was essentially to make sure the reactor goes in the water. Something Ollie is capable of doing. One example I aforementioned is explosive arrows. Ollie is quite skilled and intelligent and quick when it comes to finding solutions using the environment around him. One example is how he beat Flash simply by using his battlefield intelligence.

arrow beating flash is dumb and you know it they nerfed him to the max

They did nerf Oliver for Barry to stand a chance, but that makes it even more impressive how he still won.

thats not impressive to me besides you said save the day? like how he did this season? or season 1? Lolll

Ollie.

LOL!

i rest my case

great debating with you though

Yeah you too mate! Lol!

@nickzambuto: I don't really know what Oliver could do to beat Ock. His only option is to shoot arrows at him, and I am sure Ock can cover his whole body with his arms.

Obviously he can't. His arms aren't anywhere near that thick.

Ock was being shot at by bullets and was just fine and people think that Oliver's arrows are going to do better smh. The wank has gotten disgusting. Ock is fast enough and strong enough to handle Spider-Man and people think a human archer is going to make a difference

If ock gets his hands on Oliver then he wins, otherwise green arrow.

If Ollie lets Ock get close he is dead.

His trick arrows... might... hurt him, he's gonna have to be willing to go for the killshot to win.

Oliver get's stomped due to morals, if he's willing to kill he could win. Maybe just nostalgia but people are really overrating how fast Spider-Man (and by extension Ock) was in the Rami movies.