CW Arrow team vs the Defenders

Battle is in a large warehouse

Morals are on

Roy and Deathstroke do have the Mirakuru

Standard Equipment as well

Arrow team for comfortable majority. Borderline stomp

Roy and Slade stomp.

Arrow team with low/mid diff. But Luke Cage and Iron Fist make it hard.

@highaccuser: Do you happen to recall Mirk Roys best durability feat? In that case I dont see him beating Danny or withstanding the fist

Luke is the only problem here.

Why does he need to tank to tank the Iron Fist? Danny doesn't start with that and with no knowledge he'd likely get one-shotted before he uses it.

@highaccuser: do you actually look at battles subjectively or are you blinded? Genuine question because normally your level headed in everything apart from superman

A 4x4 hitting a mirakiru user not only hurt her but killed her......Luke cage stood in the way and not only didn't take any damage but stopped the speeding 4x4

Cage solos

And the fact you think Danny would be one shotted is false too when he has a significant speed advantage here granted a few good hits from Slade would do the trick

@royal_warrior:

A 4x4 hitting a mirakiru user not only hurt her but killed her......Luke cage stood in the way and not only didn't take any damage but stopped the speeding 4x4

When did that happen?

@royal_warrior:

@highaccuser: do you actually look at battles subjectively or are you blinded? Genuine question because normally your level headed in everything apart from superman

Bit of a random question when I actually like the Netflix shows more.

A 4x4 hitting a mirakiru user not only hurt her but killed her......Luke cage stood in the way and not only didn't take any damage but stopped the speeding 4x4

You mean Isabel? It didn't kill her just stunned her, also Diggle went toe-to-toe with her and Slade one-shotted him so she's clearly not on his level.

Cage solos

Nope, Slade and Roy have better stats.

And the fact you think Danny would be one shotted is false too when he has a significant speed advantage here granted a few good hits from Slade would do the trick

Danny doesn't have a speed advantage unless he's in zen mode. At best he has a reflex advantage by high end feats. It wouldn't take a few good hits, one casual hit should get it done.

@rbt: been a while since season two but wasn't that how Felicity save Diggle and killed Isabel by running her over?

No. Felicity rammed a van(much bigger than the SUV Cage stopped) into Isabel and she got up in a few seconds showing no injury whatsoever. Nyssa killed her after hitting her with cure.

@highaccuser: your contradicting yourself

Saying Isabel isn't on Slade's level which I agree as I think his pure blood form was above all other users but then say Roy has better stats....yet Roy couldn't even budge Slade on a cheap shot...

There's no debate to be made, Cage is significantly stronger and more durable he's only lacking speed and has a skill disadvantage however as you said there's no prior knowledge so Slade will not clock his sword is useless vs him

As of now Arrow team don't have the necessary feats to support they could harm Luke

@rbt: yeah damn your right however the bit about van is inaccurate, the average SuV is nearly double the weight of your average Van that they had and there's a lot more power behind a 4x4 drive than a van, plus she was injured and defo dazed whereas e stopped a heavier vehicle with more power behind it with my even a scratch

Luke's feat is more impressive because it was his strength combined with durability. He was aware of the SUV closing in and had time to brace himself. Isabel didn't. She was hit by a pretty big van going pretty fast and all it did was stun her for a few seconds. Also, the van she was hit with would most likely weigh more than the SUV Luke was hit with. SUVs generally aren't that heavy. That's the whole point of a SUV.

@highaccuser: I didnt see the morals on part...my bad

@royal_warrior:

@highaccuser: your contradicting yourself

Saying Isabel isn't on Slade's level which I agree as I think his pure blood form was above all other users but then say Roy has better stats....yet Roy couldn't even budge Slade on a cheap shot...

The difference is Isabel unlike Roy has a performance directly comparing her to Slade. Also I doubt she was as physically imposing as most Mirakuru users were before getting amped.

There's no debate to be made, Cage is significantly stronger and more durable he's only lacking speed and has a skill disadvantage however as you said there's no prior knowledge so Slade will not clock his sword is useless vs him

He's might be more durable, Slade and Roy are stronger though. If physical stats are that debatable Slade would easily beat him with the skill advantage, Luke is fodder to him in that area.

Bump. Should I take morals off for the defenders to make it more fair?

I'll take defenders here. Danny would fair better against the mirakuru users than he did against Luke because they're not as durable or strong. But it'll be hard fought since Slade is a killer and the Defenders pull punches. Taking off morals would be better but would mean that the Defenders STOMP

Eh. Two Mirakuru users are too much. Arrow for a comfortable win.