CW: Al Sah-Him vs MCU:The Winter Soldier

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  • Al Sah-Him gets composite feats from S1-3. Winter Soldier gets composite MCU feats w/ the titanium arm.
  • Both are in-character.
  • Both have no knowledge.
  • Win by death or K.O.
  • EDIT: Forgot to add starting distance... and a location.

R1: H2H. 3ft. Start in the street, no cover.

R2: Oliver gets a sword and a bow & quiver with 10 regular arrows. Winter Soldier gets a sawed off shotgun with 6 rounds in it. 10ft. Oliver starts in the left building WS in the right. Both are covered from the other's sight.

R3: Both get full access to their standard weaponry, with 24 arrows / bullets and a machete. 45ft. Opposite ends of the street.

Final Round: They get full access to all of their weaponry. WS starts on the very top of the building on the right - Oliver starts in the floor just below the top on the left.

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Al Sah-Him all rounds.

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#4 nfactor1995  Online
  1. Bucky
  2. Bucky could win via shooting him some rounds, but if Oliver gets close, he'll win due to the sword.
  3. Eh. I could see arguments for either winning.
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#5  Edited By ANTHP2000

Bucky R1. Oliver R2. I would favor Bucky in R3 but Oliver likely has a shot. Bucky for the bonus obviously.

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#6  Edited By The_Magister

Bucky the first round, Oliver the second round, Bucky the third round

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1 - Bucky in a tough fight.

Oliver the rest

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1 - Bucky in a tough fight.

Oliver the rest

Never thought the day would come when i agree with tonymartial

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#10  Edited By The_Magister

Bucky's gonna have a tough time with Oliver in unarmed combat now?

I knew Arrow wank was bad, but... bruh. C'mon.

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Bucky's gonna have a tough time with Oliver in unarmed combat now?

I knew Arrow wank was bad, but... bruh. C'mon.

Wait...why wouldn't he have a tough time?

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@the_magister: That's been a thing for like 2 years now when RBT said it first I think.

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Bucky stomps round 1, Oliver wins the rest.

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I can't imagine Bucky having any difficulty with Oliver.

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#16  Edited By ourmanuel  Online

@the_magister: That's been a thing for like 2 years now when RBT said it first I think.

RBT doesn't wank

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Oliver gets his shit kicked in so badly in R1 he prays for a return to the hellish years on Lian Yu. The rest are his for the taking though.

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Hydra assassin

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  1. Bucky wrecks.
  2. Oliver, better accuracy and speed.
  3. Oliver, same reason as round 2.
  4. Same as 2 and 3.
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Bucky wrecks him in the first round, Oliver destroys him in the other three, including the bonus.

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@1kingjerry: how does ollie put him down?

He can choke him out via submission holds - Bucky is a skilless brute, stats aren't the only thing that win you a fight

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@supremegeneration: ........

He can choke him out via submission holds - Bucky is a skilless brute, stats aren't the only thing that win you a fight

You think ollie can actually put Bucky in a hold and keep him there?

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@subline said:
  1. Bucky wrecks.
  2. Oliver, better accuracy and speed.
  3. Oliver, same reason as round 2.
  4. Same as 2 and 3.

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He can choke him out via submission holds - Bucky is a skilless brute, stats aren't the only thing that win you a fight

What feats does Oliver have to say he can do that to someone as strong as Ollie?

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@ourmanuel:

Yea. You don't need to have superior strength to out-grapple someone, it happens all the time in real life. Even when people are fighting giants that are seven feet tall or weigh 300 pounds. Cap put Bucky in a choke hold fairly easily and yea Ollie's not as strong but he has managed to disarm and snap the necks of people physically comparable and superior to him. Oliver also has experience fighting people he couldn't put down - In Season 5 he pulled off an armbar against Stardust and in Season 7 he dislocated his joints so he couldn't fight back.

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@1kingjerry said:

He can choke him out via submission holds - Bucky is a skilless brute, stats aren't the only thing that win you a fight

What feats does Oliver have to say he can do that to someone as strong as Ollie?

Well he did it to Stardust who's stronger than Ollie

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@ourmanuel:

Yea. You don't need to have superior strength to out-grapple someone,

A 5 year old cannot keep an adult in a hold. Ollie is the 5 year old here. Guess who's the adult.

it happens all the time in real life.

Not with this difference in stats

Even when people are fighting giants that are seven feet tall or weigh 300 pounds. Cap put Bucky in a choke hold fairly easily and yea Ollie's not as strong but he has managed to disarm and snap the necks of people physically comparable and superior to him.

Those people werent this strong.

Oliver also has experience fighting people he couldn't put down - In Season 5 he pulled off an armbar against Stardust and in Season 7 he dislocated his joints so he couldn't fight back.

Putting someone in an armbar requires a lot of strength too. It just works so well irl cuz you need to be much stronger than your oppponent to get out of it. Hence my 5 year old vs adult example.

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Buck stomps R1. Either can win other rounds

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Winter Soldier all rounds

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@ourmanuel:

I don't think you really understand how choke holds and that sort of stuff actually works, yea I guess you need strength for a choke hold but its not required for the actual choke itself. It's necessary to apply pressure to the carotids. Once a choke is in that's it, the guy is tapping out. You're exaggerating the gap between Oliver and Bucky, I don't think the gap is larger than that of of an adult and a 12 year old girl.

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even Nat who's clearly weaker, not as skilled, smaller in size and not as good as a wrestler as Oliver almost successfully choked Bucky out. The dude's face was red from lack of oxygen

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@sargeras: What's the starting distance? That's an important factor

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@ourmanuel:

I don't think you really understand how choke holds and that sort of stuff actually works, yea I guess you need strength for a choke hold

This is true, i was referring specifically to the armbar one.

but its not required for the actual choke itself. It's necessary to apply pressure to the carotids. Once a choke is in that's it, the guy is tapping out. You're exaggerating the gap between Oliver and Bucky, I don't think the gap is larger than that of of an adult and a 12 year old girl.

In the vid you posted, they arent allowed to hit the person trying to choke them out. Bucky has options like using his metal arm to punch ollie's different body parts, his eyes, his adams apple etc.

even Nat who's clearly weaker, not as skilled, smaller in size and not as good as a wrestler as Oliver almost successfully choked Bucky out. The dude's face was red from lack of oxygen

Further proof that Nat beats Ollie and Anthp was right all this time

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#36  Edited By KoLKent

@ourmanuel:

In the vid you posted, they arent allowed to hit the person trying to choke them out. Bucky has options like using his metal arm to punch ollie's different body parts, his eyes, his adams apple etc.

Firstly, ANTHP tier

Secondly, how is the skilless brute gonna use his arm when he's in positions like this

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Oliver has parried hits, grappled and disarmed Vandal Savage, parried blows from and resisted strength from Mirrakuru soldiers, and fought and defeated Dominators in close quarters. Strength is not the issue - Skill is, and Bucky is practically devoid of any

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@1kingjerry: you accuse me of using anthp tier logic, yet your final paragraph is on par with "nat tanked hits from hulk"

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Bucky wins round 1, Oliver wins the other 3.

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@1kingjerry: you accuse me of using anthp tier logic, yet your final paragraph is on par with "nat tanked hits from hulk"

In other words you concede to submission holds and win via incapacitation. Concession accepted.

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@bladeoffury i saw that

no u didn't.

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#44  Edited By Sargeras

@geekryan said:

@sargeras: What's the starting distance? That's an important factor

Just posted. Check OP.

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#46  Edited By geekryan

With the clarified rules in mind...

R1: Bucky destroys

R2: Likely also Bucky. From 10 feet, Bucky is doing more harm with a shotgun than Oliver can with an arrow.

R3: Oliver has a good chance, but Bucky can shoot him right off the bat from 45 feet as Oliver has not shown to bullet-time.

R4: Oliver's best chance. If he plays it smart and relies on stealth, he can win