CW Al Sah Him vs MCU Proxima and Corvus

Why is this Al Sah Him such a popular thing on the boards? Just do Green Arrow at the end of the series.

Nyssa fodderizes Corvus like Okoye did then Oliver beats Proxima in 1v1

Either of the duo can solo.

They both rival Captain America in strength who stat wise puts even Deathstroke to shame.

Agreed.

There' like 7 sevens to choose from. I don't recall Al Sah Him even being stronger.

@worldsgreatest: How does Captain America put Deathstroke to shame? Oliver asked him how he escaped Lian Yu and the man just said “I swam.”

As described in the book this man swam from north China sea to Australia through reefs that tore his skin to the bone and through waves the size of buildings (which is over 100 tons).

This one feat shows the full gambit on strength, speed, endurance, healing, and athleticism all on a level above super soldier.

Those guys weren’t just super soldiers, they were Miracle Men. If anything Deathstroke would have been closer to Corvus than Cap was.

Either solo

Corvus is a fodder who got fodderized by Okoye and was struggling to outskill Cap despite ambushing him. Nyssa fodderizes him like the fodder he is.

Proxima gets an arrow to her face.

@rbt: pretty sure cap was the one ambushing, even with that corvus quickly took the upper hand (literally throwing him back and forth) before vision stepped in saving caps life. Endgame...great movie but some major PIS for the black order side. Flat out/no BS alien team clean house

I don't think Okoye beating Corvus is at all PIS. It shows that if you are faster and more skilled than a physically superior opponent and have a weapon that can hurt them, you can win comfortably. Which is what Okoye did. She took him down before his stats even came into play. And Nyssa is faster and more skilled than Okoye. Should be even easier for her.

Flat out/no BS alien team clean house

Not if we go by feats, they don't.

That'd be an outlier at best.

You don't simply survive 100 tons of force being dropped on you and then be vunerable to headshots.

Cap dwarfs him in every stat.

@worldsgreatest:

You don't simply survive 100 tons of force being dropped on you and then be vunerable to headshots.

Wonder Woman says hi.

@rbt: I don't care about WW. Different verse.

Outlier feat as I said.

@worldsgreatest: Alright there are several things wrong with that argument.

First of all the difference between blunt force and piercing. Many characters can withstand crazy blunt force but they are not bulletproof.

Second it is left ambiguous whether a headshot would even work on Slade. You’re acting like it’s confirmed he will die to any gun. That’s Cap you’re thinking about. Deathstroke actually has some bullet resistance. Diggle grabbed the BIGGEST gun that he had with the plan to ambush Slade and snipe him in the head, and Sara was like “hmm... that MIGHT work. But I don’t know.”

Third Slade took an arrow through his eyeball and didn’t die. Another feat that Cap can’t do.

No, its not...

You know that DCEU is canon to CW, right?

@rbt: Dceu is canon to arrowverse?

@king789: Erza Miller appeared in CW Flash show.

@rbt: It was when Slade was running around.

Bad argument.

DCEU is part of CW Multiverse.

lol, okay mate.

There's nothing wrong with my argument and we're getting off topic.

The feat you brought up is an outlier and that book is probabaly non canon. Cap exceeds Slade in every stat via his numerous showings.

Concession accepted.

Aaand he did full 180.

Mismatch, Oliver gets stomped

Because people think he's cool and I agree with their sentiment.

OT: Ollie & Nyssa wins.

@worldsgreatest: It’s not just from the book. Slade said this in the show too. The book actually showed the scene though.

Green Arrow doesn't use a Sword, Al Sah Him did.

Swords make Cap debaters sweat. And that's why AL Sah Him is so popularly used.

Lmao.

No it doesn't. No one is sweating. I could drop a bomb on you explaining how and why Cap stomps. But I don't feel like it. I'm still getting used to this site.

@worldsgreatest: Okay, alt.

So that's what you guys call it here.

I'm an alt because I can argue like a competent person? Or is it because I made you concede?

And this section labels you as a Top Poster?

Yikes.

Slim pickings around here.

r/sadcringe

@the_hajduk: EoS Oliver is a Spectre he's way way too much for Thanos's minions.

DCEU is not a part of the CW multiverse, it’s its own contained multiverse. When Miller showed up, the multiverse was dead.

@supremegeneration: Good headcanon.

@the_hajduk: headcanon? Tf? Explain to me, then, how a Flash showed up when, very explicitly, the multiverse was dead?

Going with Al Sah Him. Al Sah Him is the strongest version of Oliver.

@rbt: i thought it was PIS, considering in IW/Wakanda battle, Proxima who slightly weaker than Corvus trashes Widow and Okoye at the same time.

Its not. Its the perfect example of a more skilled combatant taking down a physically superior combatant with a good weapon. That's how peak humans take on bricks all the time.

Team 2 no diff, no debate, no question

Jesus, has no one heard of spoiler blocks? Way to ruin an entire thread.

They both solo because because they are even strong than Captain who is omniversal at worst. Meanwhile arrow is street tier

What lol. Team stomps hard.

Oliver is good but not even close to this level.

Just look at their fight against wanda and vision.

The difference in durability is utterly ridiculous. You can argue sword but even then Corvus and Proxima have the superior weapons and are skilled and fast as well.

Those same things were speeding threw outriders like butter.

Corvus is quite fast as is Proxima who was dominating both widow and Okoye at the same time.

Not to mention Corvus was tanking blows from cap. Cap was never putting Corvus down via punching.

Cap hits quite hard lol.

He was heavily damaging Ironman.

This same suit had cars fall in it and took much less damage from them then it did from Caps hits.

Cap obviously has literally tons of striking feats due to how many movies he has been in.

Corvus strength wise was contenting and overpowering with a (weakend) Vision. Since this can't be quantified I will just use cap.

He was flinging Cap around and overpowered him as if he was a literal toy.

Cap is quite strong.

He tossed Ultron threw a stone pillar.

He lifted a massive metal bar.

He broke the multiverse.

Truly Cap is a physical beast. And Corvus was literally no diffing him strength wise.

Corvus also blocked a beam that shredded a car and knocked vision back.

This is just Corvus too. Corvus as shown has a massive physical advantage and solos imo.

Proxima best feats are literally her just fighting on par with Wanda.

This fight showed exceptional speed and skill but the highlights are how it showed how durable Proxima is as well as how powerful her weapon is. She literally blast Vision and Wanda hard enough to ragdoll them tens to maybe even a hundred plus meters threw the air. And she tanks getting thrown threw a car hard enough to ragdoll the pieces of it spinning them around. A small explosion appears to happen as well when she is thrown threw it.

Not to mention she fought Cap and Black Widow at the same time.

She also utterly dominated Widow and Okoye.

She overpowered Widow in seconds once she focused on her.

There is no way Oliver wins.

Sorry for the repost added spoiler blocks since editing seems scuffed for me.

I also changed my closing sentence to include the proper form of there.

Ollie rex tbh

@eredin12 said:

Corvus solos

He is to fast

I don't buy just one feat because this can be very predictable. I can also say Alex Danvers or Oliver could react to kryptonian heatvision which once could be that fast. Writers never specified his speed. I care when writers emphasize from slow mode perspective ( like Speedster's perspective or Sonic The hedgehog mode ). So what anybody is now ftl+ in reaction ? Or maybe shall anybody be MTFL+ in reaction and combats because anybody keeps up with Captain Marvel who somehow off screen rescued this Benatar ? So according to that logic Corvus would speed blitz Yo-yo in combat or speedblitz Fox Quicksilver. So like Oliver being bullet timer because can without seeing dodge bullets by their sound while in ultimate reality if object moves faster than sound u cannot hear b4 you gets hit. This is not how it works

@money_brings_happiness: No one is arguing that Oliver is going to beat Corvus to bloody pulp with bare knuckles. But why can't Oliver or Nyssa beat either of them in cqc? They are certainly more skilled, know who they are going against and both of them carry sword, something that can hurt either Proxima or Corvus.

How are Proxima and Corvus going untouched against two more skilled combatants? I'm not even counting in the prep time. That pretty much guarantees Oliver's victory.