current wolverine (with space-gem) vs new 52/rebirth aquaman

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random encounter.

wins by ko/death.

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The space gem does nothing but allow Wolverine to teleport. Aquaman wins.

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@BruceRogers: and that's enough to compensate for aquaman's strength , a teleporting wolverine is no joke.

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The space gem does nothing but allow Wolverine to teleport. Aquaman wins.

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#5  Edited By jay_z94

@all-father: @brucerogers: Pretty sure Wolverine stomps? He can just teleport behind Arthur and brain stab him. If Aquaman grabs him then Wolverine can teleport away.

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#6  Edited By seastone98

Arthur mid diff even if logan can teleport aquamam is super-hyper sonic in terms of speed also if any1 doubts my claims he has blitz wonder woman & MMH out swam a mach 5 jet dodge black manta beams dodge supermans punches casually blocked bullets wit his trident jumped across a city (i would post scans but im on my phone

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@seastone98: How many of those feats did Arthur perform without water? I've seen High-streets replicate Arthur's combat speed feats on dry land. What counter does he have to Logan teleporting behind him and instantly brain stabbing him?

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#8  Edited By seastone98

@jay_z94: da feats he accomplished on land were dodging black manta lazers (who hasn't dodge lazers tho) dodging supermans punches blitzing wonder woman jumping across a city & casually blocking bullets so his combat speed is no joke (i highly doubt any street lvl character can do those things unless major pis is involved lazers & bullets excluded of course)

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#9  Edited By jay_z94

@seastone98: Combat speed wise, only his feats against Superman and Wonder Woman are out of Logan's league. However, he only bull rushed Diana and it was in water. Show me him evading Superman on land.

Arthur still doesn't have an answer for Wolverine teleporting behind him and brain stabbing him.

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@jay_z94: actually wen he blitz WW he was on land close 2 water but not in it per say (only about knee high really) so he didn't get any speed boost like he would have if he was underwater btw my im on my phone so i cant post da superman scan as 4 his answer 4 logans teleport he does have hearing close 2 superman & has super sonic speed so da moment he hears wolverine behind him he can easily react & overpower him

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#11  Edited By jay_z94

@seastone98: It doesn't matter, Aquaman was still touching water when he bull rushed Diana. The water was only covering his legs and that's what he used when attacked Diana, he didn't swim at her.

Apart from the Superman scan which I haven't seen yet, sounds like he has Spider-man level combat speed, someone who Logan has kept up with frequently. Arthur doesn't have a large enough combat speed gap to warrant him instantly reacting to Wolverine teleporting behind him. Logan could also just keep on teleporting, even if Arthur does manage to get a hold of him and his adamantium claws are going to go through him like a hot knife through butter.

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Wolverine with the ability to teleport would be OP as hell.

There is not much Aquaman can really do here.

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@jay_z94: curry isnt namor him being knee high in water doesn't give him an instant speed boost as 4 da super man scan i would show u but i dont have access 2 a cpu but if ur curious about were it happen it was in rebirth during dere fight & every time Spiderman fought logan he has always kept da speed advantage so even if aquaman has speed equal 2 peter (tho by feats he is better seeinf how ive never seen spidey move at super sonic speeds neither travel or combat speed) he would still have da speed advantage also arthur has super hearing 2 compensate 4 wolverines teleporting so da very second he hears logan port he'll attack not 2 mention aquaman has a MASSIVE strength advantage so 1nce he grabs logans arms he's f#cked on top of all dat 1 serous punch from aquaman & logans taking a nap btw curry isnt like Diana either stabbing isnt flooring him seeing how arthur was stabbed by his own unbreakable trident & not 2 seconds latter he stopped da attack dat sunk atlantis

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Wolverine with the ability to teleport would be OP as hell.

There is not much Aquaman can really do here.

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Just to know, does wolvie own the space gem now in marvel continuity?

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@goldenguardian: he currently has it, he’s not that good at using it though. All he knows to do is teleport as far as I know.

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The space gem does nothing but allow Wolverine to teleport. Aquaman wins.

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#20  Edited By jay_z94

@seastone98 said:

@jay_z94: curry isnt namor him being knee high in water doesn't give him an instant speed boost

Arthur moves faster in water. His legs were in water. Ergo, he ran/jumped a lot faster towards Diana than he would on dry land.

as 4 da super man scan i would show u but i dont have access 2 a cpu but if ur curious about were it happen it was in rebirth during dere fight

Rebirth Superman is extremely inconsistent. He was having a hard time against Deathstroke who had no trouble landing hits on Clark and reacting to him.

& every time Spiderman fought logan he has always kept da speed advantage

Spider-Man is faster, but Logan has had no problems keeping up with Peter. He's even dodged attacks from him and surprised Spider-Man with his speed.

so even if aquaman has speed equal 2 peter (tho by feats he is better seeinf how ive never seen spidey move at super sonic speeds neither travel or combat speed)

When has Arthur displayed super-sonic combat speed on dry land? Pretty sure Peter has close to super-sonic combat speed. He's timed bullets, timed lasers and has blitzed other superhuman that can move faster than the eye themselves.

he would still have da speed advantage

I still don't think the combat speed feats you've mentioned give him a significant enough speed advantage over Logan on dry land.

also arthur has super hearing 2 compensate 4 wolverines teleporting so da very second he hears logan port he'll attack

If Wolverine teleports behind him he is fast enough to brain stab Arthur before he can counter.

not 2 mention aquaman has a MASSIVE strength advantage so 1nce he grabs logans arms he's f#cked

No he isn't, he can just teleport away? He just needs to think and he can teleport just like that.

on top of all dat 1 serous punch from aquaman & logans taking a nap

No he isn't, Wolverine has consistently taken hits from Mid-Tiers without being KOed. He's also tanked some hits from High Tiers.

btw curry isnt like Diana either stabbing isnt flooring him seeing how arthur was stabbed by his own unbreakable trident & not 2 seconds latter he stopped da attack dat sunk atlantis

Show me Arthur tanking a heart stab, or brain stab, or decapitation or dismemberment. Wolverine's claws are going to eviscerate him.

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@Jestersmiles: You're acting as though teleportation + one-shot weapons aren't a big deal.

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@Jestersmiles: I did tag him earlier in this thread, which is why I didn't want to tag him again.

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@jay_z94: AGAIN curry is NOT namor him being in knee high waters gives him NO speed advantage AT ALL he must be FULLY SUBMERGED in order 4 him 2 gain speed advantage also FYI aquaman has been stabbed in da stomach (a vital organ) during a separate time in da kidneys & liver (more vital organs) & shoulder ALL AT 1NCE & it BARELY slowed him down so getting stabbed in key area's of da body is nothing new 2 aquaman so ur point is rather moot beyond dat what u think dat curry is just going 2 stand dere like a shlub & just let him do it? i mean he is a trained warrior wit super sonic speed also logan has been ko'd by spidey b4 so any actual punch from arthur wit any true killing inten & Logan is sleep & b4 u say he has tooken on da thing & colossuss A) non of dem have comparable speed 2 wolverine & B) neither of dem is as strong or can strike as hard as aquaman

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Does Wolverine even know how to use the space gem?

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#28 Chimeroid  Online

@jay_z94: go tag @brucerogers he know more about Aquaman than me.

wow, no offence to BR, he is a good debater, but i hoped myself and @ecstaticgrace are recognized as better options when it comes to Arthur, lol :D

Anyway, Arthur can "fly" through water/ That doesn't make him run faster just because he is touching the water. That WW feat counts as a dry land feat. Arthur can react to bullets and has super hearing. He would notice Wolverine is behind him.

And, while we are at it, is that what Wolverine is doing with the Space Gem? How many times did he teleport behind someone and brain stabbed them?

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@Jestersmiles: Hehe thanks for the mention mate, but my knowledge on Aquaman is pretty limited :P

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Wait i'm confused does Wolverine ever used a space gem before?

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@gokluma: He has one now. After his resurrection.

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@brucerogers: Oh alright thanks for telling me since i was just confused and does Space gem make wolverine very powerful?

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@gokluma: No problem and no, he hasn't done much with it besides teleport around.

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#35  Edited By jashro44

I haven't kept up with wolverine but giving him the ability to teleport is OP (assuming he can use it, or if its like when the runner had it and wolverine can do mental teleportation). As far as I know aquaman is still just a brick.

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#37  Edited By jay_z94

@seastone98 said:

@jay_z94: AGAIN curry is NOT namor him being in knee high waters gives him NO speed advantage AT ALL he must be FULLY SUBMERGED in order 4 him 2 gain speed advantage

Prove this. Aquaman was in water a the time, so we simply cannot use this for dry land, no matter the depth of water.

also FYI aquaman has been stabbed in da stomach (a vital organ) during a separate time in da kidneys & liver (more vital organs) & shoulder ALL AT 1NCE & it BARELY slowed him down so getting stabbed in key area's of da body is nothing new 2 aquaman so ur point is rather moot

And? Show me Arthur tanking a brain stab, heart stab or decapitation. Those are pretty much insta-kills. Dismemberment would also put him at a huge disadvantage.

beyond dat what u think dat curry is just going 2 stand dere like a shlub & just let him do it? i mean he is a trained warrior

Lol, Wolverine is leagues ahead of him in terms of skill.

wit super sonic speed

Show me Arthur's super sonic combat speed. By feats on dry land, to my knowledge he hasn't shown better combat speed than Spider-Man or Logan, meaning Wolverine can easily keep up.

also logan has been ko'd by spidey b4 so any actual punch from arthur wit any true killing inten & Logan is sleep

Wrong. That one time Spock KOed him was a low showing. Consistently speaking, he has taken hits from SPider-Man on 6 other occassions, when Spider-Ma was either amped, angry or going all out, yet he wasn't KOed. He has also taken hits from Kaine, someone who is physically superior to Spock and Peter and it was also written by the same writer who wrote the Spock vs logan fight. And then you can add on the fact that Logan has consistently taken hits from people much stronger than Peter.

& b4 u say he has tooken on da thing & colossuss A) non of dem have comparable speed 2 wolverine & B) neither of dem is as strong or can strike as hard as aquaman

I don't need to bring them up, but prove Arthur hits harder than them.

Logan is fast enough to keep up, with teleportation added on top. Much more skilled. Can take hits from him. Has claws that will go through Arthur like butter. Wolverine wins.

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@Jestersmiles said:

@jay_z94: go tag @brucerogers he know more about Aquaman than me.

wow, no offence to BR, he is a good debater, but i hoped myself and @ecstaticgrace are recognized as better options when it comes to Arthur, lol :D

Anyway, Arthur can "fly" through water/ That doesn't make him run faster just because he is touching the water. That WW feat counts as a dry land feat.

Arthuer can move his limbs faster in water, we simply cannot use this as a dry land feat.

Arthur can react to bullets and has super hearing. He would notice Wolverine is behind him.

If he's faster than Wolverine it's not by much at all. He has spider-man level combat speed on land, someone who Logan has kept up with multiple times. Add on teleportation, and Wolverine will easily land a shot, and one-shot is all he needs.

And, while we are at it, is that what Wolverine is doing with the Space Gem? How many times did he teleport behind someone and brain stabbed them?

Well he has used teleportation multiple times in a battle. Can post scans later.

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@jay_z94: No, he can't. In fact, it is a Canonically established truth that Arthur can move his limbs faster on dry land due to less pressure. Where did you get the idea that the water lets him move his limbs faster? Scan would be nice, but i will settle for citation of an issue, or at least a rough estimate. I have read all of Aquaman's PF showings and the majority of his post crisis showings. It was never stated that he moves his limbs faster in the water. However, the opposite has been stated before, multiple times.

If he's faster than Wolverine it's not by much at all. He has spider-man level combat speed on land, someone who Logan has kept up with multiple times. Add on teleportation, and Wolverine will easily land a shot, and one-shot is all he needs.

I agree. They are similar in combat speed. I will wait for Wolverine's teleportation combat showings to say who wins. Of course, they can easily convince me if they are good enough.

However, Current Aquaman can use his trident for a variety of tricks himself since now he can use magic through it. This includes protective purposes that might come in handy even against teleporters.

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@jashro44 said:

I haven't kept up with wolverine but giving him the ability to teleport is OP (assuming he can use it, or if its like when the runner had it and wolverine can do mental teleportation). As far as I know aquaman is still just a brick.

Does Wolverine even know how to use the space gem?

Currently, he pawned it off to Black Widow

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although yes he did know how to use it

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OT: I don't see why Logan can't just do this

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@brucerogers: So basically logan with nightcrawler's power and i get it.

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Oh shit. Chime’s here to rip our asses apart.

For the record, I think Logan can take a win

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#45  Edited By jay_z94

@jay_z94: No, he can't. In fact, it is a Canonically established truth that Arthur can move his limbs faster on dry land due to less pressure. Where did you get the idea that the water lets him move his limbs faster? Scan would be nice, but i will settle for citation of an issue, or at least a rough estimate. I have read all of Aquaman's PF showings and the majority of his post crisis showings. It was never stated that he moves his limbs faster in the water. However, the opposite has been stated before, multiple times.

Now that you mention it, I do remember seeing scans that say Arthur is faster withour water resistance. However, I still haven't seen combat speed feats that put him outside Wolverine's league. Against N-52 Diana he only bullrushed her, he never outsped her in combat speed.

If he's faster than Wolverine it's not by much at all. He has spider-man level combat speed on land, someone who Logan has kept up with multiple times. Add on teleportation, and Wolverine will easily land a shot, and one-shot is all he needs.

I agree. They are similar in combat speed.

Ok.

I will wait for Wolverine's teleportation combat showings to say who wins. Of course, they can easily convince me if they are good enough.

Well Wolverine can teleport at will, some scans have already been posted in this thread. Due to having teleportation and comparable combat speed, Wolverine can tag Arthur, and one hit is all Logan needs here.

However, Current Aquaman can use his trident for a variety of tricks himself since now he can use magic through it. This includes protective purposes that might come in handy even against teleporters.

Could you show me how Arthur can protect against teleporters?

I really don't think Arthur has an answer for Logan teleporting behind him and brain stabbing him.

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I would say Wolverine, just bacause he has the durability to take hits from Aquaman. He has gone toe to toe with Hulk many occasions before and taken hits from him. His claws has been seen stabbing trough almost anything so Arthur is no problem. With teleportation it would need only one shot to puncture him good trough the chest and brain.

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Aquaman could win, but I still need to read Infinity Countdown.

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@ecstaticgrace: His trident got powers in Rebirth? I haven’t been keeping up.