Round 1
Round 2
Round 3
Round 4
Round 5
Round 6
Rules
- Bloodlusted
- Healed by senzu bean after every round
- Takes place on an indestructible planet
- Win by death or K.O., no BFR
SSBE Vegeta (ToP)
SSJ2 Kefla
SSJ1 Broly
SSBE Vegeta (Moro arc)
Prime Moro
73 Moro
@dbzfan44: I'll add 73 Moro.
Don't see how is Goku different currently compared to in the Moro/ToP Arc besides having passive UI, which itself isnt even perfected to begin with. That being said, an advantage is still an advantage nonetheless.
Dies at 1.
out of order Vegeta is stronger than SSj Broly and SSj2 Kefla.
can stop at 1 but due to UI id say Stop at 2.
can beat Broly and Kefla for sure but not Moro.
@iron_hand_: @jack_hart: I disagree with Moro arc Vegeta being stronger than Broly or Kefla but if other people say otherwise I can be convinced to put him higher.
Granola is the strongest in the universe, meaning he is stronger than Broly. However we don't really know if he is going all out yet. If he is and if Goku is really close to his level, he at least gets to Moro. However, Moro is dead now, so he doesn't really apply to Granola's statement of being the strongest warrior, and Moro still has his magic and ki absorption, so Goku probably still stops at Moro.
Was SSJB Goku also using UI against granolah or was that just SSJG Goku? @takenstew22
Was SSJB Goku also using UI against granolah or was that just SSJG Goku? @takenstew22
He can use it in his weaker forms anytime, it's just not as efficient as actual MUI.
Granola is the strongest in the universe, meaning he is stronger than Broly. However we don't really know if he is going all out yet. If he is and if Goku is really close to his level, he at least gets to Moro. However, Moro is dead now, so he doesn't really apply to Granola's statement of being the strongest warrior, and Moro still has his magic and ki absorption, so Goku probably stills tops at Moro.
Well said.
Granola is the strongest in the universe, meaning he is stronger than Broly. However we don't really know if he is going all out yet. If he is and if Goku is really close to his level, he at least gets to Moro. However, Moro is dead now, so he doesn't really apply to Granola's statement of being the strongest warrior, and Moro still has his magic and ki absorption, so Goku probably stills tops at Moro.
Well said.
Tbh, stopped following the Manga after Moro’s arc finished. Had to choose between it and Tower Of God, because I cant follow more than 3 stories at once while reading haha, I know im weak :(
Stops at 5 or 6.
Gohan matched ssj kefla.
Moro arc ssjb Goku(Post Merus Training) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moro arc Gohan >>>>>>>Top Gohan = mssjbGoku.
Was SSJB Goku also using UI against granolah or was that just SSJG Goku? @takenstew22
He can use it in his weaker forms anytime, it's just not as efficient as actual MUI.
Ok but its still not the actual MUI, just the UI being applied to the forms? If that's the case, then I still feel like he should stop at moro prime.
Was SSJB Goku also using UI against granolah or was that just SSJG Goku? @takenstew22
He can use it in his weaker forms anytime, it's just not as efficient as actual MUI.
Ok but its still not the actual MUI, just the UI being applied to the forms? If that's the case, then I still feel like he should stop at moro prime.
Ye.
Who leaves Dragon Ball manga... For real I flagged him.
Why tho.
Who leaves Dragon Ball manga... For real I flagged him.
That makes no sense.
Dies at 1
Uh, how?
@itachi_is_gawd: This is SSB Goku. The gap between SSB and SSBE, anime or manga, is immensely huge.
There is little evidence that Goku's blue form significantly improved since the ToP. The focus of Goku's training in the Moro arc was to be able to access UI/MUI at will, and in the current arc, to make sure that Goku can access UI passively on his lower transformations. None of those has anything to do with the improvement of Goku's current Blue form. The last time Goku's Blue power received any sort of significant improvement was during the Black Arc, when Goku perfected the use of the form.
In regards to accessing UI passively, Goku barely started touching it, it is clear that his use was as good as learning the ropes. It's only a few days ago when Goku started dodging projectiles that Whis threw at him.
And the first hurdle is someone significantly more powerful than SSB. Goku is basically set up to lose here.
@noobsnowman: I don't know where you get this idea that Goku's SSB has had no significant improvement since the ToP. The narrator stated that Goku and Vegeta emerged from the fight with Broly "stronger than ever". Piccolo stated that Goku's SSB was "way stronger" since the ToP after seeing him trash Saganbo. Goku's not even using Perfect SSB against Granolah, he's using the old SSB form.
The narrator stated that Goku and Vegeta emerged from the fight with Broly "stronger than ever".
Well obviously, Goku unlocked Ultra Instinct and Vegeta unlocked SSBE, that's what they are referring to. Not their SSB forms getting stronger.
Put it into perspective, Vegeta spent 70% of the ToP fighting Toppo in Blue, and his form didn't grow stronger throughout the duel, with Vegeta barely making any progress against Toppo. How can you possibly tell me that his SSB form got stronger from the ToP?
Piccolo stated that Goku's SSB was "way stronger" since the ToP after seeing him trash Saganbo.
Which is not very consistent given the statement about the training regarding Goku's training with Merus. Goku specifically asked Merus for training so he can use UI properly to combat Moro. Nothing to do with refining his old forms. Later on, Merus disclosed to Whis that the crux of their training for Goku to utilize Ultra Instinct Omen for lengthy periods of time, and to access it at will.
I would buy into Piccolo's statement if it is confirmed by multiple reliable sources, but given that Goku's power was way beyond Piccolo's comprehension, and the lack of feats that justify it, I'm not buying it.
Goku's not even using Perfect SSB against Granolah, he's using the old SSB form.
What do you mean old SSB form? The moment Goku unlocked mastered SSB, he stuck to it since. There's no such thing called a old SSB form when the Saiyans pretty much mastered the form after the Black Arc.
The entire point of the old SSB form is that Goku immediately loses the form's true power right after its initial burst of power, due to the form's huge stamina consumption. So following your logic that Goku was using his old SSB form, he would be too tired to access any stronger forms, given that he would already be drained. Which this logic - obviously - fails to a spectacular degree.
Beat kefla and broly, T.O.P Vegeta
Loss to the othere also lol at Moro arc Vegeta being weaker than ssj broly and kefla
Another lol at ssb goku not getting stronger since T.O.P when he has feats and statement to back him off
I really don't think Moro arc Vegeta is as strong as people say he is because he couldn't do anything to Moro until he drained him, but ok I'll put him higher.
why is kefla higher than broly?
It was very hard to choose for me cause I think SSJ2 Kefla and SSJ1 Broly are kinda equal.
@takenstew22: be vegeta
Get a couple of statement to be stronger than ever
Fight prime Moro in equal ground
Whis don't think there are anyone stronger than you or goku even thought he know about broly
@takenstew22: base kefla was above a fatigue mid of T.O.P ssjgod goku but truns into ssj when goku used ssb
Broly did fight a post T.O.P full power ssb Goku before he truns into ssj and then power up more when he fight ssj gogeta before reality crash took place
Fight prime Moro in equal ground
No he wasn't. All he was doing was draining his power. Why people think he was on Moro's level is beyond me.
@takenstew22: base kefla was above a fatigue mid of T.O.P ssjgod goku but truns into ssj when goku used ssb
And went SSJ2 against UI Goku.
@takenstew22: and broly fight ssj gogeta in equal ground after he power up
The same gogeta that in base was >> post T.O.P ssb goku
Also it was stated that you need to land damage for It to wrok and vegeta did take attacks from Moro before it started and then we get Goku and Piccolo statement
Imo this is the only site were people say that kefla is on or above broly and vegeta is not omen level
If you said somthing like this in gamefaqs, narutofourms, Reddit then everyone well laugh at you
@takenstew22: and broly fight ssj gogeta in equal ground after he power up
The same gogeta that in base was >> post T.O.P ssb goku
Also it was stated that you need to land damage for It to wrok and vegeta did take attacks from Moro before it started and then we get Goku and Piccolo statement
Imo this is the only site were people say that kefla is on or above broly and vegeta is not omen level
If you said somthing like this in gamefaqs, narutofourms, Reddit then everyone well laugh at you
Good thing to know that those sites are trash. I do think SSJ2 Kefla is on the level of SSJ1 Broly but not at all on the level of LSSJ.
@takenstew22: you know that calling othere site trash wont change the fact that even comic vine is full of shit right?
@takenstew22: you know that calling othere site trash wont change the fact that even comic vine is full of shit right?
Didn't say it wasn't. Some shit is smellier than others tho.
It's essentially a slightly stronger SSB Goku from the Moro arc with UI Omen as a passive boost on top of it
UI Omen alone roflstomps Kefla. He probably stops at Moro.
The power creep has been real. Vegeta is confident he can hang with Goku now, who still has MUI. So it's probably increases in power of 5x if not more since the ToP arc. With them probably each growing 25-33% stronger since the Moro arc as it's stated to have been some time since the wish was made.
@noobsnowman said:
Well obviously, Goku unlocked Ultra Instinct and Vegeta unlocked SSBE, that's what they are referring to. Not their SSB forms getting stronger.
Put it into perspective, Vegeta spent 70% of the ToP fighting Toppo in Blue, and his form didn't grow stronger throughout the duel, with Vegeta barely making any progress against Toppo. How can you possibly tell me that his SSB form got stronger from the ToP?
They got those forms during the ToP, the narrator was referring to their status after the fight with Broly.
They've been training since the ToP and then they fought Broly.
Which is not very consistent given the statement about the training regarding Goku's training with Merus. Goku specifically asked Merus for training so he can use UI properly to combat Moro. Nothing to do with refining his old forms. Later on, Merus disclosed to Whis that the crux of their training for Goku to utilize Ultra Instinct Omen for lengthy periods of time, and to access it at will.
I would buy into Piccolo's statement if it is confirmed by multiple reliable sources, but given that Goku's power was way beyond Piccolo's comprehension, and the lack of feats that justify it, I'm not buying it.
Merus' training involved replicating the life and death conditions that brought out UI to begin with. That kind of harsh training would indirectly strengthen Goku's other forms even if that wasn't the actual intent of the training. Merus even said that summoning UI at Goku's current strength level was what stabilized it.
Even Moro could tell that Goku was far stronger than their initial battles on Namek just by looking at his base. Piccolo could compare Goku's strength from the ToP up to that point, so clearly it wasn't that beyond comprehension; he only couldn't understand Ultra Instinct Sign because he can't sense it. Goku's performance against Saganbo and Saganbo's performance against the other heroes (who were also far stronger than they were during the ToP) in comparison indicates the gains Goku made in SSB.
What do you mean old SSB form? The moment Goku unlocked mastered SSB, he stuck to it since. There's no such thing called a old SSB form when the Saiyans pretty much mastered the form after the Black Arc.
The entire point of the old SSB form is that Goku immediately loses the form's true power right after its initial burst of power, due to the form's huge stamina consumption. So following your logic that Goku was using his old SSB form, he would be too tired to access any stronger forms, given that he would already be drained. Which this logic - obviously - fails to a spectacular degree.
The version of SSB Goku is currently using against Granolah has an aura, where as Perfect SSB doesn't. That Goku would even attempt to use the old SSB against Granolah of all people implies that Goku has progressed SSB to the point that the old drawbacks probably no longer apply or at least not as much as before.
We don't know how much stronger Goku is then Moro arc, but I am guessing the gap is huge since he is able to clash blows with Granolah who is implied to be the strongest Mortal in the Universe (Maybe discluding MUI Goku). Whis stated that SSBE Vegeta and MUI Goku were the strongest Mortals in U7 including Broly. As ridiculous as it might sound, SSBE Vegeta>LSSJ Broly (I legit feel like they forgot about broly). And this statement was made at the beginning of their training, So Goku and Vegeta got stronger even after that (after they were already stated to be>Broly).
So with this, its very easy to conclude that Current MSSB Goku>>LSSJ Broly.
I say Goku clears high diff. He can beat 73 Moro now because his raw power also exceeds Broly's as well and now you give Goku UI movements on top off his MSSB, he should most likely clear
Also SSJ Broly slams SS2 Kefla Lmao
Wouldn't be surprised if Base Broly could
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