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  • how they currently are as of today, 3/2/2021
  • in character
  • win by ko or death
  • bonus round: 2v2 with Sasuke and Zoro
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Current Naruto has no Kurama so he might lose.

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Current Naruto has no Kurama so he might lose.

What about Zoro vs Sasuke? I hear Sasuke is pretty weak right now, too, and a total jobber.

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Naruto still wins.

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Current Naruto has no Kurama so he might lose.

You clearly know nothing and it’s laughable that you think that him losing Kurama takes away from him still having Sage Mode/ So6P Sage Mode or how he is still high kage level at base meaning unbeatable by any OP character to begin with

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@solmar said:
@theoneaboveyall said:

Current Naruto has no Kurama so he might lose.

You clearly know nothing and it’s laughable that you think that him losing Kurama takes away from him still having Sage Mode/ So6P Sage Mode or how he is still high kage level at base meaning unbeatable by any OP character to begin with

Naruto solos the One Piece universe

Adult Naruto without Kurama is featless, and Naruto hasn't used So6P mode in Boruto.

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@solmar said:
@theoneaboveyall said:

Current Naruto has no Kurama so he might lose.

You clearly know nothing and it’s laughable that you think that him losing Kurama takes away from him still having Sage Mode/ So6P Sage Mode or how he is still high kage level at base meaning unbeatable by any OP character to begin with

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Adult Naruto without Kurama is featless, and Naruto hasn't used So6P mode in Boruto.

You sound unknowledgeable as hell. Whats worse is that you may not be the only person I have seen say he is featless.

Lets pick apart everything wrong:

  • Assuming that because he is an adult he magically loses all of his feats that he has done when not an adult(lmfao)
  • Somehow thinks that Adult Naruto has no feats without Kurama cloak, proving you don’t even watch/read Boruto
  • Says that he never used So6P mode in Boruto further proving you don’t even belong in this thread

Naruto sends a shadow clone to solo the verse. As a 12 year old he could make a thousand clones. As an adult he can make 2 thousand.

1 rasenshuriken atomizes

Know something before opening your trap

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@solmar said:
@theoneaboveyall said:

Current Naruto has no Kurama so he might lose.

You clearly know nothing and it’s laughable that you think that him losing Kurama takes away from him still having Sage Mode/ So6P Sage Mode or how he is still high kage level at base meaning unbeatable by any OP character to begin with

Naruto solos the One Piece universe

Adult Naruto without Kurama is featless, and Naruto hasn't used So6P mode in Boruto.

Kurama gave him like half of his chakra, if not more. So6P just gave him abilities that let him fight Madara. It's not even certain if it was much of an amp. He still lost to Madara. His only true amp is Sage Mode now since he doesn't have Kurama. I think Luffy got a chance under these conditions since even with Kurama Naruto's best feats put him between country-moon, so losing Kurama, and him being most of his power, would drop Naruto down to country, which is around where Luffy is.

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You know this website is full of druggies when somehow you can see the argument that Naruto of all people is featless lmao.

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LMFAO HE JUST SAID LUFFY IS COUNTRY LEVEL

I WAS ABOUT TO COME FOR HIS NECK FOR BEING ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT SAY NARUTO CHARACTERS ARE COUNTRY+LEVEL etc BUT THIS IS JUST SAD

Bless the hearts of all these poor little kids. Next up I will be seeing multiversal level rankings for One Piece characters

Interesting enough the strongest characters so far like Eneru or Douglas have not even had the power to destroy islands but somehow lmao Luffy... Is country level

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Either Naruto and or Sasuke solostomps One Piece. Stop making spites.

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Either Naruto and or Sasuke solostomps One Piece. Stop making spites.

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@solmar said:

LMFAO HE JUST SAID LUFFY IS COUNTRY LEVEL

I WAS ABOUT TO COME FOR HIS NECK FOR BEING ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT SAY NARUTO CHARACTERS ARE COUNTRY+LEVEL etc BUT THIS IS JUST SAD

Bless the hearts of all these poor little kids. Next up I will be seeing multiversal level rankings for One Piece characters

Interesting enough the strongest characters so far like Eneru or Douglas have not even had the power to destroy islands but somehow lmao Luffy... Is country level

What? How absurd to make a jump from country to multiversal. OP is better written than that unlike Naruto jumping from mountain level to country in one arc then going to moon level in a movie.

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@theoneaboveyall said:
@solmar said:
@theoneaboveyall said:

Current Naruto has no Kurama so he might lose.

You clearly know nothing and it’s laughable that you think that him losing Kurama takes away from him still having Sage Mode/ So6P Sage Mode or how he is still high kage level at base meaning unbeatable by any OP character to begin with

Naruto solos the One Piece universe

Adult Naruto without Kurama is featless, and Naruto hasn't used So6P mode in Boruto.

Kurama gave him like half of his chakra, if not more. So6P just gave him abilities that let him fight Madara. It's not even certain if it was much of an amp. He still lost to Madara. His only true amp is Sage Mode now since he doesn't have Kurama. I think Luffy got a chance under these conditions since even with Kurama Naruto's best feats put him between country-moon, so losing Kurama, and him being most of his power, would drop Naruto down to country, which is around where Luffy is.

Naruto consistently fights without Kurama so nice try. Naruto’s own chakra reserves alone are comparable to Tailed Beasts so try again.

You don’t know what SoSP is clearly but whatever it is useless talking to you. Base Naruto destroys

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@solmar said:
@ssjbatdan said:
@theoneaboveyall said:
@solmar said:
@theoneaboveyall said:

Current Naruto has no Kurama so he might lose.

You clearly know nothing and it’s laughable that you think that him losing Kurama takes away from him still having Sage Mode/ So6P Sage Mode or how he is still high kage level at base meaning unbeatable by any OP character to begin with

Naruto solos the One Piece universe

Adult Naruto without Kurama is featless, and Naruto hasn't used So6P mode in Boruto.

Kurama gave him like half of his chakra, if not more. So6P just gave him abilities that let him fight Madara. It's not even certain if it was much of an amp. He still lost to Madara. His only true amp is Sage Mode now since he doesn't have Kurama. I think Luffy got a chance under these conditions since even with Kurama Naruto's best feats put him between country-moon, so losing Kurama, and him being most of his power, would drop Naruto down to country, which is around where Luffy is.

Naruto consistently fights without Kurama so nice try. Naruto’s own chakra reserves alone are comparable to Tailed Beasts so try again.

You don’t know what SoSP is clearly but whatever it is useless talking to you. Base Naruto destroys

Dude think for a moment. If Naruto's chakra reserves are comparable to a tailed beasts...then Kurama was at least half of his chakra. This is a HUGE downgrade for him.

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#17  Edited By Eredin12  Online

Naruto still one-shots if he gets SPSM mode, SPSM > BSM and BSM no solled and overpowered moon splitting force, a feat still far above anything in OP

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He could literally stand there all day and no sell Luffy

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Base Naruto literally kept up with Fused Momoshiki briefly...............

Naruto still god stomps

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@solmar said:
@ssjbatdan said:
@theoneaboveyall said:
@solmar said:
@theoneaboveyall said:

Current Naruto has no Kurama so he might lose.

You clearly know nothing and it’s laughable that you think that him losing Kurama takes away from him still having Sage Mode/ So6P Sage Mode or how he is still high kage level at base meaning unbeatable by any OP character to begin with

Naruto solos the One Piece universe

Adult Naruto without Kurama is featless, and Naruto hasn't used So6P mode in Boruto.

Kurama gave him like half of his chakra, if not more. So6P just gave him abilities that let him fight Madara. It's not even certain if it was much of an amp. He still lost to Madara. His only true amp is Sage Mode now since he doesn't have Kurama. I think Luffy got a chance under these conditions since even with Kurama Naruto's best feats put him between country-moon, so losing Kurama, and him being most of his power, would drop Naruto down to country, which is around where Luffy is.

Naruto consistently fights without Kurama so nice try. Naruto’s own chakra reserves alone are comparable to Tailed Beasts so try again.

You don’t know what SoSP is clearly but whatever it is useless talking to you. Base Naruto destroys

Dude think for a moment. If Naruto's chakra reserves are comparable to a tailed beasts...then Kurama was at least half of his chakra. This is a HUGE downgrade for him.

Dude how about you stop talking forever.

Naruto as a 12 year old who has never tapped into Kurama’s chakra ever in his life, with the seal being completely intact, was able to make a thousand clones IN THE FIRST CHAPTER. Kakashi notes several times that Naruto’s chakra is far above the regular

IT’S STATED SEVERAL TIMES THAT THE UZUMAKI AND SENJU CLAN HAVE LARGE AND POWERFUL CHAKRA RESERVES

NARUTO FIGHTS WITHOUT KURAMA COMPLETELY COUNTLESS TIMES THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS KURAMA GIVING NARUTO CHAKRA PASSIVELY

Pay attention and learn something. Whenever Naruto uses Kurama chakra we are told and we see it, we literally see Naruto have to ask/force Kurama for chakra a bunch.

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@eredin12: These feats are overestimated. He tanked only a portion of a beam that cut a partially hollow moon. Before this, his best feat was country-level, high-balled. His best feat is the chakra-vessel one, which definitely puts him at moon-level, but his speed will also be severely lowered now due to losing Kurama.

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@ssjbatdan: No? Entire beam was directed at him, completely at him, that was its entire purpose, that is what Toneri used it for, to kill him, it was his last desperate attempt yet Naruto tanked its full power and completely overpowered it as well, while in BSM, even destorying in the end and moon was not hollow either

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just small part of it that does not really matter in the end for feat itself, Its also false that before was his best was feat country level, check this

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/westwood_trevor/blog/the-true-power-of-bijuudama-and-juubidama-aoe-dc-a/152753/

And there are few other feats on the multi-continental level before it

And not really, it will not, his six paths mode is far superior to any amp Kurama gave him, but i remember saying you not to tag me, since i am too tired to debate trolls right now, so agree to disagree

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@eredin12 said:

@ssjbatdan: No? entire beam was directed at him, completely at him, that was its entire purpose, he tanked its full power and overpowered it as well, comepltly while in BSM, even destorying in the end and moon was not hollow either, just small part of it that does not really matter in he end for this feat

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Its also false that before was his best was feat country level, check this

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/westwood_trevor/blog/the-true-power-of-bijuudama-and-juubidama-aoe-dc-a/152753/

And no, it will not, his six paths mode is far superior to any amp Kurama gave him, but i remember saying you not to tag me, since i am o tired to debate trolls, so agree to disagree

Why go and say all this then tell me not to tag you? -.-

Don't come into my threads if I can't tag you in them. That's aburd.

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lol people saying SPSM just gave him new abilities and no major amps. If that was the case, base SPSM Naruto (no Kurama) wouldn't be putting pressure on Juubidara who scales well above Juubi who is above Kurama.

RIP Naruto's Jinchūriki forms, Kyuubi chakra mode, bijuu mode, bijuu sage mode, SPSM + bijuu mode, Kurama avatars, Asura avatar, and baryon mode.... Naruto relied a ton on his fox.

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@gangorca said:

lol people saying SPSM just gave him new abilities and no major amps. If that was the case, base SPSM Naruto (no Kurama) wouldn't be putting pressure on Juubidara who scales well above Juubi who is above Kurama.

RIP Naruto's Jinchūriki forms, Kyuubi chakra mode, bijuu mode, bijuu sage mode, SPSM + bijuu mode, Kurama avatars, Asura avatar, and baryon mode.... Naruto relied a ton on his fox.

Yeah, it gave him some amp, but a lot what it did was allow him to combat Madara's abilities. The amount of the amp itself is unknown. Furthermore, isn't it mostly just drawing out more of his own chakra anyhow? Sage mode amped him by drawing on natural energy.

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Yeah, it gave him some amp, but a lot what it did was allow him to combat Madara's abilities. The amount of the amp itself is unknown.

Juubidara states he has gotten stronger from before, that wouldinclude his previous BSM form so it's unreasonable to say Naruto didn't get a huge amp. Regardless, he was still pressuring Juubidara which already put him far above his previous forms.

Furthermore, isn't it mostly just drawing out more of his own chakra anyhow? Sage mode amped him by drawing on natural energy.

It is Naruto drawing power from all of the bijuu (six paths chakra) so not really. And even his base stats were amplified from Hagoromo's chakra.

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@gangorca said:

@ssjbatdan:

Yeah, it gave him some amp, but a lot what it did was allow him to combat Madara's abilities. The amount of the amp itself is unknown.

Juubidara states he has gotten stronger from before, that wouldinclude his previous BSM form so it's unreasonable to say Naruto didn't get a huge amp. Regardless, he was still pressuring Juubidara which already put him far above his previous forms.

Furthermore, isn't it mostly just drawing out more of his own chakra anyhow? Sage mode amped him by drawing on natural energy.

It is Naruto drawing power from all of the bijuu (six paths chakra) so not really. And even his base stats were amplified from Hagoromo's chakra.

He wasn't really pushing Madara alone, and he still didn't even come close to defeating Madara. Madara reacting to Gai is his best new showing in that form, so Madara is rel. Naruto wasn't blitzing Madara or anything so he only dodged that Light Fang via precog. Without Kurama Luffy might legit outspeed Naruto.

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Base Naruto literally kept up with Fused Momoshiki briefly...............

Naruto still god stomps

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#28  Edited By RDCDesmond

Base Naruto in the last destroyed the tenseigan chakra vessel lol this is more impressive than anything in one piece

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In the Retsuden he destroyed a large meteor sized Chibaku Tensei without even using chakra

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@ssjbatdan:

He wasn't really pushing Madara alone,

Madara was clearly losing to Naruto alone before absorbing the God Tree. This insistance that Madara wasn't having trouble is backed up by nothing.

and he still didn't even come close to defeating Madara.

I'd say he was pretty close if Madara was at a disadvantage against him.

Madara reacting to Gai is his best new showing in that form, so Madara is rel.

He also scales miles above characters who casually outpace lightning and have statements about being near light speed.

Naruto wasn't blitzing Madara or anything so he only dodged that Light Fang via precog. Without Kurama Luffy might legit outspeed Naruto.

Why are you bringing up irrelevant feats to the topic, then spinning your opinions around them, and then proclaiming Luffy is faster? This is very weird. That was SPSM + bijuu mode Naruto so I have no clue was you are suddenly spewing this. Are you trying to find something to lowball Naruto off of? Adult Naruto > teen Naruto and adult Naruto has reacted to photons in base.

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@rdcdesmond: Why he so weak even after fusing? How did they make him intimidating after this?

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@rdcdesmond:

In the Retsuden he destroyed a small moon Chibaku Tensei without even using chakra

How is that even possible? The only reason why his stats are superhuman in the first place is a chakra, its literaly the source of his powers like Beerus and God k, Ichigo and Reiatsu, or Superman and solar energy.

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Naruto makes a clone that makes a clone that makes a clone that solos the verse

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@gangorca said:

@ssjbatdan:

He wasn't really pushing Madara alone,

Madara was clearly losing to Naruto alone before absorbing the God Tree. This insistance that Madara wasn't having trouble is backed up by nothing.

and he still didn't even come close to defeating Madara.

I'd say he was pretty close if Madara was at a disadvantage against him.

Madara reacting to Gai is his best new showing in that form, so Madara is rel.

He also scales miles above characters who casually outpace lightning and have statements about being near light speed.

Naruto wasn't blitzing Madara or anything so he only dodged that Light Fang via precog. Without Kurama Luffy might legit outspeed Naruto.

Why are you bringing up irrelevant feats to the topic, then spinning your opinions around them, and then proclaiming Luffy is faster? This is very weird. That was SPSM + bijuu mode Naruto anyways so I have no clue was you are suddenly spewing this. Are you trying to find something to lowball Naruto off of? Newsflash, Adult Naruto > teen Naruto and adult Naruto has reacted to photons in base.

Madara never really seemed worried. It was like he was toying around and always knew he had that up his sleeve. It doesn't really matter how well he did before Madara ate the fruit because neither have clear-cut increased feats from it.

Well, sure? So Madara is rel. Very possibly high-end, though, since I think Naruto would have to be to dodge the Light Fang, even if he had precog.

It's not my opinion. He literally had precog the whole fight. Why would you think he didn't use it?

Yeah, in a novel and the same novels put Sakura at MFTL+ and nothing in the source material backs these things up. There is a lot of controversy surrounding the feat in of itself, even ignoring that nothing in the source material reflects it. The novels are just fluff meant to expand upon the actual story. You need to add things in for the novel format, and it is a chance to highball characters for the avid fans. Literally, nothing in the source material suggests these speeds, and you aren't supposed to have to read a novel to find them. But, whatever. In base without chakra he's rel. That makes so much sense.

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@eredin12 said:

@rdcdesmond:

In the Retsuden he destroyed a small moon Chibaku Tensei without even using chakra

How is that even possible? The only reason why his stats are superhuman in the first place is a chakra, its literaly the source of his powers like Beerus and God k, Ichigo and Reiatsu, or Superman and solar energy.

Yep. The novels make no sense. It's what I've been saying for weeks.

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#36  Edited By RDCDesmond

@ssjbatdan: novel still canon.

the last novel is canon.

the naruto retsuden novel is canon.

Opinion From arguing angry fans who say current Naruto only jirayai Level: non canon

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@ssjbatdan: novel still canon.

the last novel is canon.

the naruto retsuden novel is canon.

Opinion From arguing angry fans who say current Naruto only jirayai Level: non canon

I mean, they literally contradict the high canon. The anime is canon but the filler is not. Things in the anime that make feats seem more impressive aren't considered canon either.

Your novels make literally no sense and contradict established Naruto lore in the source material.

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@rdcdesmond: I agree that the novel is canon and should count, I was just asking how could he do it, he still needed to have his stats amped by Chakra, i mean that is what makes him superhuman to begin with, chakra

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#39  Edited By GangOrca

@ssjbatdan:

Madara never really seemed worried. It was like he was toying around and always knew he had that up his sleeve.

This is never once stated or implied. In fact, the exact opposite is expressed by Madara pre-God Tree amp.

It doesn't really matter how well he did before Madara ate the fruit because neither have clear-cut increased feats from it.

If Madara was getting pushed back by base SPSM, and then after absorbing the God Tree is pushing back SPSM + BM, I'd say it was quite a substantial increase.

It's not my opinion. He literally had precog the whole fight. Why would you think he didn't use it?

That's not the problem. Why are you randomly bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with the topic mentioned? If you are trying to use the light fang instance as a means to say Naruto's speed is below Luffy's, just know that current Naruto is stronger than his teen self in stats.

Yeah, in a novel and the same novels put Sakura at MFTL+ and nothing in the source material backs these things up. There is a lot of controversy surrounding the feat in of itself, even ignoring that nothing in the source material reflects it. The novels are just fluff meant to expand upon the actual story. You need to add things in for the novel format, and it is a chance to highball characters for the avid fans. Literally, nothing in the source material suggests these speeds, and you aren't supposed to have to read a novel to find them.

Only if you wank Sakura's feat, most reasonable people won't assume it is the option that makes the feat an outlier. The novels are canon though, no getting around that. At most, you can say they are only secondary in canon but they are still overseen by Kishimoto.

But, whatever. In base without chakra he's rel. That makes so much sense.

And his SM alone amps his stats significantly, and his SPSM amps him many times above that.

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@eredin12 said:

@rdcdesmond: I agree that the novel is canon and counts, I was just asking how could he do it, he still needed to have his stats amped by Chakra

He also dodged photons in base without chakra. Both feats make no sense by actual Naruto canon in the source material. But whatever.

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@gangorca said:

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Madara never really seemed worried. It was like he was toying around and always knew he had that up his sleeve.

This is never once stated or implied. In fact, the exact opposite is expressed by Madara pre-God Tree amp.

It doesn't really matter how well he did before Madara ate the fruit because neither have clear-cut increased feats from it.

If Madara was getting pushed back by base SPSM, and then after absorbing the God Tree is pushing back SPSM + BM, I'd say it was quite a substantial increase.

It's not my opinion. He literally had precog the whole fight. Why would you think he didn't use it?

That's not the problem. Why are you randomly bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with the topic mentioned? If you are trying to use the light fang instance as a means to say Naruto's speed is below Luffy's, just know that current Naruto is stronger than his teen self in stats.

Yeah, in a novel and the same novels put Sakura at MFTL+ and nothing in the source material backs these things up. There is a lot of controversy surrounding the feat in of itself, even ignoring that nothing in the source material reflects it. The novels are just fluff meant to expand upon the actual story. You need to add things in for the novel format, and it is a chance to highball characters for the avid fans. Literally, nothing in the source material suggests these speeds, and you aren't supposed to have to read a novel to find them.

Only if you wank Sakura's feat, most reasonable people won't assume it is the option that makes the feat an outlier. The novels are canon though, no getting around that. At most, you can say they are only secondary in canon but they are still overseen by Kishimoto.

But, whatever. In base without chakra he's rel. That makes so much sense.

And his SM alone amps his stats significantly, and his SPSM amps him many times above that.

I mean, you say pushed back, then he's just pushing the other back. It's not a substantial increase by these standards. Literally, someone in an arm-wrestling contest can have that happen multiple times.

Yeah, and there is also a lot surrounding that feat that doesn't work. Like him being on a bike, like the drones being slow, so why didn't he just blitz them or run away if he could move at rel speeds?

Yeah, it's not high canon and the feats contradict the source material so they shouldn't be used.

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@ssjbatdan: Novel feat of Adult Naruto( who mastered six paths power) pulling his Teen slef six paths tier feats is perfectly consistnet with this anime feat of base six paths Ashura complelty matching Six Paths Perfect Sussano hit from his brother

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@eredin12 said:

@ssjbatdan: Novel feat of post-six paths mastered base Naruto pulling six paths tier feats is perfectly consistnet with this anime feat of base Ashura complelty matching Six Paths Perfect Sussano hit from his brother

It seems they can use Hagoromo chakra in the base as well

Yeah but moon+ and rel feats without chakra aren't consistent at all. You need chakra to amp your body above human limitations. It's how the verse works and was explained very early on. In base, without amps, you can be killed by a normal kunai.

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@ssjbatdan: But the point is their base is amped as well, without chakra sure but i doubt Naruto had no chakra lol, he still had some, he needed to, i feat above of Ashura is multi continental+ AP wise as well, this is like people saying Naruto tanked Toneri using his chakra to blow a hole in the moon without any chakra in Last, that is false he still had some chakra left which allowed him to do that, same is here

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@eredin12 said:

@ssjbatdan: But the point is their base is amped as well, without chakra sure but i doubt Naruto had no chakra lol, he still had some, he needed to, its like people saying Naruto tanked Toneri using his chakra to blow a hole in the moon without Chakra in last, that is false he still had some chakra left which allowed him to do that, same is here

His chakra was sealed or something.

But if he was using chakra that would make the feat much easier to swallow, even if it was only his base amounts. But Im pretty sure his chakra was sealed when he dodged at rel.

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I mean, you say pushed back, then he's just pushing the other back. It's not a substantial increase by these standards. Literally, someone in an arm-wrestling contest can have that happen multiple times.

You know what I meant (assuming you read the chapter) by 'pushing back', he is overpowering and blowing apart Juubidara as well as moving fast enough to keep Juubidara from being able to stop him. Your arm wrestling example is fundamentally flawed because you can't get magical amps mid-contest that allow you to do better against your opponent like with Juubidara.

Yeah, and there is also a lot surrounding that feat that doesn't work. Like him being on a bike, like the drones being slow, so why didn't he just blitz them or run away if he could move at rel speeds?

Being on a bike doesn't make the drones slow unless we know how fast Naruto was moving. We also know that Naruto's combat speed is not the same as his travel speed.

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@ssjbatdan: Maybe not completely, evne fraction that would be left would explain it, but honestly i think we should stop here, you are arguing way too much in your own thread which i always hated when OP does that

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@gangorca said:

@ssjbatdan:

I mean, you say pushed back, then he's just pushing the other back. It's not a substantial increase by these standards. Literally, someone in an arm-wrestling contest can have that happen multiple times.

You know what I meant (assuming you read the chapter) by 'pushing back', he is overpowering and blowing apart Juubidara as well as moving fast enough to keep Juubidara from being able to stop him. Your arm wrestling example is fundamentally flawed because you can't get magical amps mid-contest that allow you to do better against your opponent like with Juubidara.

Yeah, and there is also a lot surrounding that feat that doesn't work. Like him being on a bike, like the drones being slow, so why didn't he just blitz them or run away if he could move at rel speeds?

Being on a bike doesn't make the drones slow unless we know how fast Naruto was moving. We also know that Naruto's combat speed is not the same as his travel speed.

Yeah, I know what you meant, and I'm just comparing it to a high-level tug-o-war of power, as it seems to be.

Bikes have limitations and the drones are shown to be slow in other ways. Also, are you implying Naruto's travel speed is less than bike-level?

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@rdcdesmond: I agree that the novel is canon and should count, I was just asking how could he do it, he still needed to have his stats amped by Chakra, i mean that is what makes him superhuman to begin with, chakra

Naruto still had taijutsu and most likely summoned enough strength or will power to kick Sasuke away from the large meteor, and having the power to break it himself.

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But I guess you can say Naruto did that to a Tired Sasuke (kicking him off meteor) since Sasuke was weakened from using his chakra as fuel for a flying ninja bike to get them to space.
Although they completely ignore fact PS can fly lol but still canon

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@gangorca: Oh, and he still did it with his chakra sealed. The only decent argument I've seen for this is that his perception is still rel, and he basically aim dodged, but didn't he do it facing away from them?

Whatever the case, it is insanely hard to know what Naruto's prime speed was, let alone this current one. I see no evidence that he ever actually broke LS in striking speed since he has precog. At his prime, he is at least moon-level in ap/durability and he is rel in combat speed with FTL reactions. That's all that is clearly conclusive.