Current Luffy VS Marineford

Everything at Marineford is the same, but this time a fully healthy current Wano Luffy (no poison from Magellan) shows up to save Ace with the Whitebeard pirates.

Is advanced conquerors and future sight enough to save Ace or is he still doomed to fail?

Bonus Round: Luffy has his entire crew (current versions as well)

Luffy's gonna help a bunch. Might even take down an Admiral, probably Kizaru.

But Luffy did save Ace. Ace negged himself.

He saves Ace 😊

Ace and Whitebeard stay alive.

so admirals cant stop him? interesting

How many times does this thread need to be made? Nothing changes... MF Luffy saved Ace, Ace chose to go back. Multiple top tier marines didn't try at all, the pirates didn't stand a chance. Maybe BB gets rolled

As long as sakazuki is there ace was going to die. Nothing can change that.

They save Ace easily. He’s at a level between first mate and Admiral and his Conquerors would KO half the Marines.

@Kaiser-Reb: Literally the only reason he got a shot off at Ace was because Ace turned back and ran… on top of saving Luffy who at the moment is stronger than What Ace was.

@j_normal: ace was going to die regardless his character is just like his dad. He talked shit about Wb and ace won’t let that shit slide.

If luffy saves ace in this scenario, all sakazuki gotta do is talk shit still.

Resounding victory for Pirates. Ace would survive since Luffy wouldn't need saving from Akainu anymore.

Current Luffy solo Marineford... The power level don't make sense anymore... I don't think anyone in Marineford can stop toon force power...

Any Admiral probably still solos, albeit high diff.

@lucifer10: He barely beat someone who is Whitebeard tier, how does he solo?

Luffy would just run across the air, reach him within a second and break Ace's cuffs with Advanced Armament like he did for Yamato.

Ace directly died because Luffy went reaching for the Vivre Card which would not happen in this scenario because he isn't weak now and doesn't have to be protected.

I don't see any Admiral beating Luffy 1 on 1 at this point

I didn't even read the op.. anyways Luffy current Wano feats and ability would steamroll marineford

@shirso:

Lmao the nonsense and cope that you people still think admirals can beat Luffy casually is beyond me admirals struggled with Marco he is complete utter fodder compared to current Luffy he’d run a mock on everyone in Marineford

@alextheboss:

Marineford Whitebeard isn’t on the same tier as Kaido lmao he was hurt from regular bullets and fodder pirates with swords were easily cutting him and hurting him Luffy would burst his organs with a single punch

"Toon force Luffy" struggled against Kaido after his initial burst of energy. If the objective is to save Ace and scram, he succeeds. If the objective is to beat every single person there, he loses.

Remove the plot armour. Then you have Old garp ( low yonko level) + sengoku (low yonko level) + Kuzan (high yonko level due to the 10 day fight feat scaling him extremely close to akainu) + Akainu ( high yonko level) + Kizaru (mid yonko level).

5 yonko level characters vs. Oldbeard + Luffy.

You tell me who wins and then theres also the fact that theres a 90% chance the admirals are gonna get much better feats when the WG war arc comes scaling also the other admirals much higher.

Mihawk will still fear hax him lmfao

@yhwachez: Yeah I am very disappointed with his bold claim, and here I think he is the most reasonable OP debater... when we see the strongest Admiral can't even take 2 shots from a dying Whitebead, while Luffy is even before the awakening took countless fatal blows from a much healthier stronger Yonko

Admiral wankers runnin wild nowadays,

If fodder Akainu almost killed by Island lvl gura punch from WB and Sengoku can only stalemate Blackbeard Island lvl gura,

Gallery

Even kaido's boro breath was stronger than Island lvl gura as he pierced through Large Island onigashima,

and luffy's Bajrang gun was miles better than Kaido's boro breath as he buried kaido to magma chamber, and the hole he dug was so deep it can fit 8 Large island Onigashima height wise,

Luffy Bajrang gun can be scaled to

Large Country+(Overpowering Kaido) up to Continental(Point blank to the ground)

In conclusion, the Admirals and Sengoku are getting splattered immediately by Continental Bajrang gun as they try to block it head on,

@azazelmp4:

How is Kuzan high Yonko level when he serves a Yonko

@yhwachez said:

How is Kuzan high Yonko level when he serves a Yonko

What does authoritarian positions have to do with power levels?

Sengoku was admiral, yet we know someone lower than him (og 3 admirals) in ranking would have wiped the floor with Sengoku.

Fleet admirals serve the gorosei, yet we know fleet admiral would bend all 5 of them over.

Kuzan served BB out of choice, not because he was forced to.

@azazelmp4 said:

LMFAO Sengoku beat the shit out of any of them,

@shirso: Definitely not a marineford admiral.

People really don’t get Marineford at all. A single Yonko crew can pose a huge threat to the Navy. Stack Luffy’s crew, and you have a wash. Commanders distract Admirals, Ace is saved, etc. They all succeed.

@yhwachez: Kaido just has better durability. It's like how shanks was hurt by a sea king beginning of series Luffy one shot. That doesn't mean Shanks isn't near Kaido, he just relies on his abilities and Haki, while even without those Kaido would still be a monster.

When did I say they beat him "casually"? I even said high diff. I don't think narratively it makes sense for Luffy to be Admiral level yet, don't forget he beat Kaido only after the latter had taken damage from a crap ton of strong characters all while having to passively carry an island. It's the same trend he followed against Yonko Commanders, against Doffy he needed a lot of circumstantial help to win but as of now he is strong enough to low diff any YC tier 1v1, the trend will be the same against Admiral/Yonko tiers.

@dusk69 said:

@azazelmp4 said:

Sengoku was admiral, yet we know someone lower than him (og 3 admirals) in ranking would have wiped the floor with Sengoku

LMFAO Sengoku beat the shit out of any of them,

Sengoku had horrible fucking feats in Marineford war, only thing he has going for him is portrayal and hype but his feats are contradicting it. Why does CV wank the old gen so much?? Old wb was the weakest yonko.

@pics said:

People really don’t get Marineford at all. A single Yonko crew can pose a huge threat to the Navy. Stack Luffy’s crew, and you have a wash. Commanders distract Admirals, Ace is saved, etc. They all succeed.

I think you dont get Marineford. WB was horribly buttfucked in the Paramount war, WB pirates had 0 chance of surviving the MF war. WB went into Marineford to die.

@azazelmp4:

This just isn’t true. He walked through dozens of attacks and in his severely weakened state, put Marineford in a condition that was practically decimated. His Crew held off Admirals several times, and no duh Whitebeard wasn’t surviving. He faced-tank multiple attacks and only dodged when necessary. That doesn’t mean a damn thing when it comes to saving Ace. The Marines get held back even more once Luffy’s crew steps in.

Luffy frees Ace easy. Who says he has to fight he admirals? That's not the objective here.

Old Rayleigh who didn't fight for decades, who stated how much weaker he has gotten was still able to stalemate Kizaru, and he was dissatisfied with his performance. Prime bloodlusted Rayleigh would likely defeat an admiral with mid difficulty.

Power difference between Rayleigh and Roger is probably as big as the difference between Luffy and Zoro, considering all the parallels between them, so Roger would likely be able to low diff admirals such as Kizaru, and guys like prime Garp and prime WB were able to fight against Roger as his equals.

@pics said:

This just isn’t true. He walked through dozens of attacks and in his severely weakened state, put Marineford in a condition that was practically decimated. His Crew held off Admirals several times, and no duh Whitebeard wasn’t surviving. He faced-tank multiple attacks and only dodged when necessary. That doesn’t mean a damn thing when it comes to saving Ace. The Marines get held back even more once Luffy’s crew steps in.

1. He didnt walk through dozens of attacks, getting half your face blasted, your internal organs melted, riddled with massive holes in your body, doesnt look like he walked off the attacks.

2. Yet, he still had half his face blasted off, his internal organs melted, and had holes riddled all over his body.

3. What attacks are you talking abuot that he face tanked? The fodder marines using their guns?? getting half your face blasted off doesnt look like face tanking.

4. It took 1 admiral(Akainu who was holding back massively at marineford) to dispatch WB and a few scuffles with kizaru and aokiji who were holding back massively as well.

5. Remove the plot armour, you get 3 admirals fully focused on not letting ace getting rescued, none of the pirates are winning.

@mortein said:

Old Rayleigh who didn't fight for decades, who stated how much weaker he has gotten was still able to stalemate Kizaru, and he was dissatisfied with his performance. Prime bloodlusted Rayleigh would likely defeat an admiral with mid difficulty.

1. Stalemate and holding off someone are very different in terms of meaning in literature. Stalemate means to equal someone , the scan you provided says "holding off", holding off someone for a few moments is much easier than pushing someone to a high diff fight.

2. Prime rayleigh can probably beat Kizaru but not with mid diff, relax with the fucking headcanon.

Power difference between Rayleigh and Roger is probably as big as the difference between Luffy and Zoro, considering all the parallels between them, so Roger would likely be able to low diff admirals such as Kizaru, and guys like prime Garp and prime WB were able to fight against Roger as his equals.

Roger isnt low diffing any admiral, thats fucking hilarious. "Probably" isnt any form of evidence that Roger would low diff the admirals.

Also my bad, i think the interpretation of what i said has been misinterpretted. What i meant was old gen characters who were alive in this current gen of one piece are wanked. For example people though Oldbeard (old gen character) is stronger than any other people in the series at that time which is not true at all. I 100% agree that primebeard, roger, prime garp, prime sengoku, shiki were definitely at the top of the verse.

They fought for a few episodes on screen and who knows how much longer off screen. And they failed to defeat each other, that's called a stalemate.

You can't ignore there are certain repeated themes in the show, such as the first mate tends to be weaker than the captain, and when we look at the top tiers, the power difference between WB and Marco, Kaido and King or BM and Katakuri is pretty massive.

The power difference between Luffy and Zoro is much smaller, but still pretty significant, in a sense that Luffy could low diff guys like King, who gave Zoro mid-high level of difficulty.

So even if the power difference between Rayleigh and Roger is as small as the power difference between Luffy and Zoro, Roger would still be significantly above Rayleigh, and should be able to low diff Kizaru who couldn't even defeat old Rayleigh.

It hard to tell exactly how much weaker they've become, but IMO WB and Garp went from PK level down to high Yonkou level due to old age, and then WB went even further down to mid yonkou levels due to his sickness. Guys like Sengoku and Rayleigh went from yonkou level down to the admiral level.

If current Luffy showed up, especially if he had his crew, or maybe even his grand fleet, everything would change. They would be able to avoid losing any significant characters, for as long as it took for Shanks and BB to show up.

When WB was about to be stabbed, Luffy would have prevented it, when WB had a heart attack Zoro and Sanji could have protected him.

When Ace went back to fight Akainu, Luffy would have protected him.

And then Shanks and BB would come, and you would essentially have 3 sides, Luffy, Shanks and WB on one side, Marines on the other side, and BB on the third side.

Garp was barely able to let them kill Ace, no way he would be able to actively try and kill both Ace and Luffy, or at least he would be so conflicted that he wouldn't be able to go all out.

Mihawk would likely switch sides as he wouldn't want to fight against Shanks.

Boa could start openly fighting for Luffy.

Opportunists like Doflamingo and Moria would likely switch sides once the power shifted.

Not only would they've been able to save Ace, they would destroy the Marines, unless the WG were to send some reenforces.

@azazelmp4:

He didnt walk through dozens of attacks, getting half your face blasted, your internal organs melted, riddled with massive holes in your body, doesnt look like he walked off the attacks.

Maybe we have different definitions, but I would consider that walking through attacks. Whitebeard had shrugged off attacks, from both admirals and other marines. He showed no halt really. An example of this:

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”Tanking” was the wrong word, more so he endured these attacks.

It took 1 admiral(Akainu who was holding back massively at marineford) to dispatch WB and a few scuffles with kizaru and aokiji who were holding back massively as well.

Okay, no. Sure, Admirals were holding back to limit casualties, but they were not holding back to a substantial degree against Whitebeard, at least Akainu anyway. Whitebeard could have done a lot more in the War as well, but his main priority was to save Ace. Akainu didn’t “hold back” his durability. He didn’t “hold back” burning off WB’s face. Either way, no Admiral truly beat or took down Whitebeard.

5. Remove the plot armour, you get 3 admirals fully focused on not letting ace getting rescued, none of the pirates are winning.

??? This is just weird. We’re not going to remove “plot armor” because the Admirals would still hold back causing mayhem. If Admirals weren’t focused on stopping Ace from getting rescused when there was one Yonko, they sure as hell won’t with Luffy’s crew. Now we’re just being inconsiderate.

@shirso:

Lmao so even after he overpowered Kaido tanked multiple Thunder baguas you still claim he’s not admiral level yet ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 stop it Kaido feats shits on any admiral ANY ADMIRAL… Luffy is clearly above admiral level at this point because he’s Yonko level he took out the 2nd strongest emperor

As stated above they did actually save Ace and he only got killed because he turned back to fight Akainu

With current Luffy Ace would definitely survive

This however would make an interesting What-if scenario, this way WB won’t have to carry the entire invading party on his back and save considerable stamina, making it impossible for Black Beard to swop in at the last moment and steal WB’s fruit.

If it was changed from an rescue mission to all out war current SH and WB pirates would easily hold off the marines till Shanks arrives and given they would continue, the marines would be wiped out.

@mortein said:

They fought for a few episodes on screen and who knows how much longer off screen. And they failed to defeat each other, that's called a stalemate.

1.Screentime =/= actual time.

2. Kizaru proceeds to say he was barely trying.

You can't ignore there are certain repeated themes in the show, such as the first mate tends to be weaker than the captain, and when we look at the top tiers, the power difference between WB and Marco, Kaido and King or BM and Katakuri is pretty massive.

The power difference between Luffy and Zoro is much smaller, but still pretty significant, in a sense that Luffy could low diff guys like King, who gave Zoro mid-high level of difficulty.

So even if the power difference between Rayleigh and Roger is as small as the power difference between Luffy and Zoro, Roger would still be significantly above Rayleigh, and should be able to low diff Kizaru who couldn't even defeat old Rayleigh.

1.I think your confused with what my view is,talking in relation to Rayleigh, here's my view. Old Rayleigh loses to serious kizaru(says he isnt even going all out) but prime rayleigh high/extreme diffs kizaru.

2. Rayleigh has barely any feats, only thing he has going for him is hype. I would have agreed with scaling but only his Prime self can we scale to other characters. So only thing he has going for him is hype in his PRIME form, his old form has nothing for him and barely any good feats.

It hard to tell exactly how much weaker they've become, but IMO WB and Garp went from PK level down to high Yonkou level due to old age, and then WB went even further down to mid yonkou levels due to his sickness. Guys like Sengoku and Rayleigh went from yonkou level down to the admiral level.

I place oldbeard low because he was horribly bent over in Marineford by Akainu who was holding back massively. This site likes to beleive Akainu was horribly low diffed by Whitebeard cos they are reading two-piece.

@mortein said:

If current Luffy showed up, especially if he had his crew, or maybe even his grand fleet, everything would change. They would be able to avoid losing any significant characters, for as long as it took for Shanks and BB to show up.

When WB was about to be stabbed, Luffy would have prevented it, when WB had a heart attack Zoro and Sanji could have protected him.

When Ace went back to fight Akainu, Luffy would have protected him.

And then Shanks and BB would come, and you would essentially have 3 sides, Luffy, Shanks and WB on one side, Marines on the other side, and BB on the third side.

Garp was barely able to let them kill Ace, no way he would be able to actively try and kill both Ace and Luffy, or at least he would be so conflicted that he wouldn't be able to go all out.

Mihawk would likely switch sides as he wouldn't want to fight against Shanks.

Boa could start openly fighting for Luffy.

Opportunists like Doflamingo and Moria would likely switch sides once the power shifted.

Not only would they've been able to save Ace, they would destroy the Marines, unless the WG were to send some reenforces.

1. 2 yonko level characters (Luffy and Oldbeard) vs. 5 yonko level characters (garp+sengoku+akainu+kizaru+aokiji) + 7 warlords which one of them is yonko level (mihawk) but he was useless in the MF war as he did nothing, so 5 yonko level characters.

2. There are feats that actually support the evidence that Admirals were holding backk massively, i assume this thread wants marineford to go all out in which will be a horrible defeat.

3. If plot armour is allowed, well they can rescue Ace but they DEFINITELY in 0 shape or form are beating the navy AT ALL.

4. You say these characters can protect each other and fight for each otherm but your forgetting admirals can one shot heaps of these dudes, their protection will be useless especially if you remove plot armour and they are going all out (look at what happened in punk hazard).

In conclusion, its possible they can save Ace but in no way shape or form absolutely is the pirates beating the navy. A rescue mission might work, but going to war to topple the navy will fucking horribly fail.

Hmmm he can physically body the Warlords but they have a few abilities like Doflamgo that may be an issue, also fighting the admirals too I assume? Don't think Luffy can win tbh

@pics said:

Maybe we have different definitions, but I would consider that walking through attacks. Whitebeard had shrugged off attacks, from both admirals and other marines. He showed no halt really. An example of this:

1. Yep, which is an endurance feat. The scans prove he has horrible awful durability (getting stabbed by fodder marine swords and guns) but is a very amazing endurance feat, so he can "continue" fighting he didnt necessarily tank.

Okay, no. Sure, Admirals were holding back to limit casualties, but they were not holding back to a substantial degree against Whitebeard, at least Akainu anyway. Whitebeard could have done a lot more in the War as well, but his main priority was to save Ace. Akainu didn’t “hold back” his durability. He didn’t “hold back” burning off WB’s face. Either way, no Admiral truly beat or took down Whitebeard.

2. Admirals werent holding back??? you sure bro??? did you forget about punk hazard bro???

Island split into 2, climate changed on a massive and extreme scale, and it was a 10 day fight unlike the MF war which lasted much much less than 10 days. If the admirals went out, marineford would turn into punk hazard, dont you think that would be a massive logistical loss for the WG, its literally so dumb to do that.

no Admiral truly beat or took down Whitebeard.

Whitebeard sufferred much more injuries than Akainu who just had blood thats it while he had a melted face, his organs fryed, his body riddled with holes. Akainu took a bloodlusted WB's enraged earth quake punches 3x and proceeded to return not short after and solo all 15 commanders, all while focusing on luffy not WB. I mean fuck yeah its an endurance feat but he didnt win that fight at all.

??? This is just weird. We’re not going to remove “plot armor” because the Admirals would still hold back causing mayhem. If Admirals weren’t focused on stopping Ace from getting rescused when there was one Yonko, they sure as hell won’t with Luffy’s crew. Now we’re just being inconsiderate.

What do i define as plot armour in the context of the marineford war?

Admirals holding back.

Though i agree with this point, the point still remains that there is a LOW chance of Ace getting rescued .

I'll make it easier for you to visualise.

2 yonko level characters vs. 5 yonko level characters.

3 admirals low diff luffy and whitebeard while garp and sengoku clean up the rest.

Narratively speaking tho, garp probably wont help the marines in this fight against his grandson.